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Posted by Account deleted, 04.09.2007 - 00:51
There was a thread about this a long time ago, but it was locked due to the people posting there being incompetent. This is a very touchy subject, I know, but I want people to at least attempt to act in a civilized matter when discussing this. Flamewars are forbidden, and anyone attempting to start a flamewar will be doused in a chemical bath. With all of this out of the way, let's discuss our views on this subject.

Personally, I have no quarrels with someone being gay, or even bisexual for that matter. To each his own. They are not the monsters that religions make them out to be. They walk, talk, and think just like anyone else, and they have a great plethora of ideas to contribute to society. They are also just as intelligent as everyone else, and they have the same concerns and worries as any other person. As a real life example, my mother's hair dresser (who is also my hair dresser, which explains why my hair is so beautiful) is gay, but he is quite the upstanding fellow, and is quite intelligent. In short, I greatly respect the gay community and I wish to see them claim the same rights as everyone else.

Discussion starts... now.
22.04.2013 - 10:43
psykometal
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Written by Rasputin on 22.04.2013 at 08:09

@Psyko
You sound like a typical libtard by calling me a bigot. If you guys like getting fucked in the ass, and feeling warm shit on the tip of your dick, that is your choice, but that does not make me a bigot, just like it does not make me a racist for commenting on the fuck ups of your beloved President.

Let's analyze the word "bigot" for a sec...

big·ot (bgt) n. One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
bigot [ˈbɪgət] n. A person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, sexual orientation, or race.
big?ot (ˈbɪg ət) n. A person who is extremely intolerant of another's creed, belief, or opinion.
bigot n. A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own.

I believe you fit the bill for all 4 of those definitions pulled from different sources, so yea, you are a bigot.

And I whole-heartedly agree Obama is a fucktard and I never voted for him either time, but I hate the man based on his political choices not his skin tone so I too am not a racist and would never consider anyone a racist for hating a person's political stance. Where ever you got the idea that one might call you a racist for hating a dumbass American president is beyond me...
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22.04.2013 - 19:38
Lit.
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Written by Rasputin on 22.04.2013 at 08:09

@Lit
As long as I am not an American genius like you, it's all good.

Nothing American about it. It's called "thinking." Try it sometime. At least if you do, you might actually sound smart when arguing. You'll still be wrong, but what've you got left to lose?
Written by Rasputin on 22.04.2013 at 08:09

Btw, does your boyfriend like your pretty mouth?

At least I can keep a man in my bed.
Written by Rasputin on 22.04.2013 at 08:09

Love you all

Love you too, sweetie.

Crudeness aside, I couldn't help but notice your arguments are focusing less on opinions and pseudo-facts and more on neanderthalic, below-the-belt and bigoted insults. Watching you deteriorate under pressure certainly is a thrill.
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22.04.2013 - 20:03
Marcel Hubregtse
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And the US are way behind with equal rights for homosexuals when compared to the Netherlands where this sort of thing has been a non issue since the Sixties of the 20th cnetury. So, I have no idea where 'Russia's greatest love machine" (to quote Boney M ) gets the idea from that the US is pushing a homosexual agenda upon Europe when in fact The Netherlands have muscled the US for loads of decades for equal rights for homosexuals. It is clear someone is blinded by media induced brainwashed and totally unfounded US bashing.
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22.04.2013 - 20:46
Lit.
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Honestly, I think we're doing decent with gay rights. But as Marcel said, Europe is doing better.
It's just those religious Knights Templars you gotta watch out for here. People that drink Jesus' blood like Budlight and quote the Bible out of context take are to homosexuality like cancer to a prostate. Of course, this doesn't apply to all religion, but the minority's still set.
I'd accuse the mad monk of that, but to my knowledge, he's yet to bring God up as a factor.
Thus, he must hate God, too.
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22.04.2013 - 21:10
Thrashette
Written by Rasputin on 22.04.2013 at 08:09

@Thrashette
Hmm, I guess you have not researched how and why it got removed. Brush up on that. All-wise Americans with 300 odd years of existence in the world decided that the rest of the world is wrong and they are right (as usual) so they marshaled that great idea on top of many great ideas that just keep on giving. That's why diseases are running rampant, the marriages are falling apart, there are no standards anymore. But US knows best LOL

Yes, look at all the countries in Africa and the Middle East that know so much better than the US. I'm sure they're just filled with happy healthy people who could teach us all a thing or two about building an intelligent nation on good morals.

(Map is outdated, I know)
Like Marcel said, even US is pretty behind on this. I don't mention US specifically because I think it's the best country, I mention them only because it's where you're from and an example of a first world country where LGBT rights are recognized.

STD's are due to people who weren't properly educated on prevention or decided to be careless. Society being less sexually repressed in general likely plays a role as well. In North America, the education system would rather preach abstinence than teach teens about safe sex (at least in the Catholic education system, which many children go through). As for marriages falling apart, that's more of an individual thing but can be attributed to many factors, all of which contributed to people being more independent or divorce being less stigmatized. From what I've seen here, younger generations seem choose civil unions rather than marriage or they follow the philosophy of "if it's broken, throw it out and get a new one" rather than "if it's broken, fix it" as the older generations did. I have yet to see anyone blame it on a decay of morality due to progression of LGBT rights.
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22.04.2013 - 21:44
psykometal
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Written by Thrashette on 22.04.2013 at 21:10

I have yet to see anyone blame it on a decay of morality due to progression of LGBT rights.

Well, as we've figured out by reading through his lines of bullshit, he appears to be a paranoid homophobic bigot with a crazy conspiracy threory that the decline in civilization is due to some kind of Illuminati-style homosexual agenda.
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22.04.2013 - 21:50
Marcel Hubregtse
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Written by psykometal on 22.04.2013 at 21:44


Well, as we've figured out by reading through his lines of bullshit, he appears to be a paranoid homophobic bigot with a crazy conspiracy threory that the decline in civilization is due to some kind of Illuminati-style homosexual agenda.


all started by the Dutch of course in the Sixties already Proud to be Dutch in that case

Let religious 'civilization'' decline as soon as possible and we'll be a step closer to world peace and harmony.
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23.04.2013 - 20:05
Lit.
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I say we ban the guy and be done with it, then MS will be one step closer to peace and harmony.
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23.04.2013 - 21:18
Candlemass
Defaeco
Good news


Same-sex marriage: French parliament approves new law
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23.04.2013 - 21:28
Rasputin
@Psyko
Am I preventing them from getting married, doing their stupid parades, walking in the streets etc? I am not. I am not for them, nor do I condone their behavior. I had instructors that were Gay, and I had a discussions with them, and we agreed to disagree. And I believe that everyone is prejudiced about one thing or another, so ultimately we are all "bigots" to a lesser or a greater extent. I guess by the American definition, I follow the latter group, which is alright by me. I am not willing to change my belief based upon someones political influence, and that is what we see in schools today. The thoughts of the youth are being programmed by the system who wants them to follow a certain change in the society. I will remain a sceptic, until some better information and research gets presented.

It is by calling me a bigot right off the bat, and that is the usual argumentation I get from liberals, be it gay rights, the President or whatever else I disagree with them on.

@Lit
You should try it as well.
Me, deteriorate? Never. I'm just having fun here, responding to your "witty" insults in kind. And I'm still waiting for you to show me some of that evidence you spoke off. I'm yet to see something credible.

Oh, I don't hate God, I just do not find it in today's religions
@Marcel
It is not Netherlands that is forcing Serbia to accept homosexuality as normal, it is the USA. By the way, isn't it correct that you have a Pedofile party in your country right now? How is that working out? Should we expect to accept that in the near future as well?

@Thrashette
I am not immplying that LGBT is the sole reason for the decline of morality, but it is one of the factors. It is not a solution, it is another problem in of itself. The media is one of the greatest reasons for social decline, because of all the things that it advocates.
And also I am not saying that religion is perfect, especially not the Catholic one, which is against contraception, and therefore allowing for disease to spread. I am not fan of it myself, but in this day and age, it is important to protect yourself and others, so I would constitute that as a lesser evil.
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23.04.2013 - 21:41
Candlemass
Defaeco
@Rasputin,

Remember those homophobic-homo priests I mentioned? Maybe you should take a night-out with some honey-boy to teach you that self-phobia isn't good for you (or others) .

Homophobic? Then You're Probably Gay
"Several groups of men who identified as heterosexual and expressed hostility to gays, and wired them up so the blood flow to their penises could be monitored."
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23.04.2013 - 21:49
psykometal
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Written by Rasputin on 23.04.2013 at 21:28

@Psyko
Am I preventing them from getting married, doing their stupid parades, walking in the streets etc? I am not.
And I believe that everyone is prejudiced about one thing or another, so ultimately we are all "bigots" to a lesser or a greater extent.

@Marcel
It is not Netherlands that is forcing Serbia to accept homosexuality as normal, it is the USA. By the way, isn't it correct that you have a Pedofile party in your country right now? How is that working out? Should we expect to accept that in the near future as well?

You don't have to be in a position of power that is denying their rights to be classified as a bigot. And yes, everyone is bigoted to something in some way, shape or form.

And i doubt America is pushing Serbia to be gay since our own government and politicians are still anti-gay for the most part.
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23.04.2013 - 23:26
IronAngel
It saddens me that certain people spend so much energy on arguing whether homosexuality is normal or not, when they should realize that the idea of enforced normalcy itself is the big issue here. A civilized society that respects individual agency and a pluralism of values is an end in itself, of much greater scope and graver importance than just the homosexuality question. To defend that, fighting the normalizing processes and authorities in society is everyone's duty. Rasputin's arguments are not horrifying because he draws unacceptable conclusions from his premisses. The most shocking thing is that he genuinely believes his premisses to be acceptable - that being "normal" is actually something that should be enforced.

Foucault died of AIDS, ironically enough.
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23.04.2013 - 23:42
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Tage Westerlund
Map is incorrect , France today legalize it , if I understood news correct
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23.04.2013 - 23:52
Lit.
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Written by Rasputin on 23.04.2013 at 21:28

@Lit
You should try it as well.
Me, deteriorate? Never. I'm just having fun here, responding to your "witty" insults in kind. And I'm still waiting for you to show me some of that evidence you spoke off. I'm yet to see something credible.

I've already made my point: You're wrong, I'm right. You're homophobic, homosexuality is normal and not a mental illness, etc. The fact that you still can't get it through your lead-lined skull is a defining character trait for you, and arguing with you got real boring real fast.
So, I'm leaving everyone to proverbially gang-rape you and tear you down while I just sit back and watch the show. Some men just wanna watch the world burn, after all.
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23.04.2013 - 23:59
Rasputin
@Candlemass
Makes me wonder about you...
@Psykometal
You may doubt that, but that is how we view in Serbia, or should I say, the parts of Serbia that are not so heavily influenced by the media.

Well, that's fine, if it takes to be a bigot for US society, that I am happy to oblige.

@IronAngel
It worked for X ammount of years, and now we should magically stop and change everything because less than 10% of the population is homosexual? Does this mean for us to change what Incest actually is, and make it closer for the sake of someone sleeping better at night? And they have the money and the influence to change whatever they want, and play with "facts" to suit their needs. Like I said before, anyone who speaks out against the LGBT will lose his license and be discredited for any further future scientific discovery. It is the same story with the Evolution BS, with the Global Warming...
And I repeat again, DSM was changed due to political reasons, not through to scientific research, and this Trojan Horse did enough damage already.

It is scary for me to see that you actually believe this so called "science" that they are serving you. But you believe what you want to believe, and I will stick to my own convictions.
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24.04.2013 - 00:03
Rasputin
Written by Guest on 23.04.2013 at 23:52

Written by Rasputin on 23.04.2013 at 21:28

@Lit
You should try it as well.
Me, deteriorate? Never. I'm just having fun here, responding to your "witty" insults in kind. And I'm still waiting for you to show me some of that evidence you spoke off. I'm yet to see something credible.

I've already made my point: You're wrong, I'm right. You're homophobic, homosexuality is normal and not a mental illness, etc. The fact that you still can't get it through your lead-lined skull is a defining character trait for you, and arguing with you got real boring real fast.
So, I'm leaving everyone to proverbially gang-rape you and tear you down while I just sit back and watch the show. Some men just wanna watch the world burn, after all.

Sure, if that's what makes you feel better. You are right in the sense that you are wrong. No skin off my back.
Says who that the homosexuality is not a mental illness?
I bet you like that kind of stuff, gang rape too? Maybe you are into donkey porn as well. That is normal, is it not by your definition?

Yeah, and some of us bring popcorn and enjoy watching people go nuts. Some men just have no standards, after all.
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24.04.2013 - 00:21
Lit.
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Written by Rasputin on 24.04.2013 at 00:03

You are right in the sense that you are wrong.

Nice oxymoron, genius.

Written by Rasputin on 24.04.2013 at 00:03

Says who that the homosexuality is not a mental illness?

Nice English, too.
So, you've either completely ignored what is blatantly obvious and what's been discussed these clast few pages or you are just a sad individual who skims through the arguments to pick out certain points in the discussion to take out of context and use it as personal ammo against your much smarter adversaries. Take Psykometal, for example: You've done nothing but call him out for accusing you of being a bigot. He has and he's right obviously, but there's no need to sound like a broken record player.

Written by Rasputin on 24.04.2013 at 00:03

I bet you like that kind of stuff, gang rape too? Maybe you are into donkey porn as well. That is normal, is it not by your definition?

It's porn, dude. You don't need standards in porn. I recommend getting some standards in life, however, seeing that you lack any.

Written by Rasputin on 24.04.2013 at 00:03

Yeah, and some of us bring popcorn and enjoy watching people go nuts. Some men just have no standards, after all.

Finally, a shred of intelligence from your mad musings that can actually be agreed with.
You're absolutely right, and might I add how amazingly sad it is to watch you go on?
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24.04.2013 - 00:50
Rasputin
Written by Guest on 24.04.2013 at 00:21

Written by Rasputin on 24.04.2013 at 00:03

You are right in the sense that you are wrong.

Nice oxymoron, genius.

Written by Rasputin on 24.04.2013 at 00:03

Says who that the homosexuality is not a mental illness?

Nice English, too.
So, you've either completely ignored what is blatantly obvious and what's been discussed these clast few pages or you are just a sad individual who skims through the arguments to pick out certain points in the discussion to take out of context and use it as personal ammo against your much smarter adversaries. Take Psykometal, for example: You've done nothing but call him out for accusing you of being a bigot. He has and he's right obviously, but there's no need to sound like a broken record player.

Written by Rasputin on 24.04.2013 at 00:03

I bet you like that kind of stuff, gang rape too? Maybe you are into donkey porn as well. That is normal, is it not by your definition?

It's porn, dude. You don't need standards in porn. I recommend getting some standards in life, however, seeing that you lack any.

Written by Rasputin on 24.04.2013 at 00:03

Yeah, and some of us bring popcorn and enjoy watching people go nuts. Some men just have no standards, after all.

Finally, a shred of intelligence from your mad musings that can actually be agreed with.
You're absolutely right, and might I add how amazingly sad it is to watch you go on?

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24.04.2013 - 01:25
Lit.
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Written by Rasputin on 24.04.2013 at 00:50



I'm gonna take this as a sign that you admit defeat. Great, awesome, you've been a worthy opponent, yada yada.
I need coffee.
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24.04.2013 - 01:40
Marcel Hubregtse
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Written by Rasputin on 23.04.2013 at 21:28


@Marcel
It is not Netherlands that is forcing Serbia to accept homosexuality as normal, it is the USA. By the way, isn't it correct that you have a Pedofile party in your country right now? How is that working out? Should we expect to accept that in the near future as well?




we don't have a pedofile party because is the party is forbidden by law.

And we do for the USA to accept homosexuality as normal sinc eit is normal although the USA thinks it is not
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24.04.2013 - 01:42
Marcel Hubregtse
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Btw eve if the pedofile party was allowed in my country it has nothing to do with homosexuality AT ALL
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24.04.2013 - 03:12
Rasputin
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.04.2013 at 01:42

Btw eve if the pedofile party was allowed in my country it has nothing to do with homosexuality AT ALL

You have a group in your country fighting to legalize it. Well, I'm just waiting for DMS to change again, who knows, they may become LGBTP

Written by Guest on 24.04.2013 at 01:25

Written by Rasputin on 24.04.2013 at 00:50



I'm gonna take this as a sign that you admit defeat. Great, awesome, you've been a worthy opponent, yada yada.
I need coffee.

Naa, I'm just
Awesome indeed.
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24.04.2013 - 16:46
Thrashette
Written by Rasputin on 24.04.2013 at 03:12

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.04.2013 at 01:42

Btw eve if the pedofile party was allowed in my country it has nothing to do with homosexuality AT ALL

You have a group in your country fighting to legalize it. Well, I'm just waiting for DMS to change again, who knows, they may become LGBTP

As Marcel said, pedophilia and homosexuality are totally different things. Some would even argue that the T for trans doesn't belong in there and others lengthen it to LGBTTQQIIAA (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Transexual, Queer, Questioning, Intersex, Intergender, Asexual, & Allies) instead, but that's another topic... The way I (and many others) see it is that the dividing line between what's considered moral and immoral when it comes to sexual practices is consent. It can't be said whether children have the required knowledge and experience to consent, an older person could easily take advantage of them, and they could get physically hurt. But something tells me our views of morality are conflicting. You think that being romantically or sexually attracted to someone of the same sex is immoral, and the rest of us think punishing someone or deeming them as a lesser being simply because they wish for an intimate (and consensual) relationship with someone of the same sex is wrong.
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24.04.2013 - 18:42
Rasputin
Written by Thrashette on 24.04.2013 at 16:46

Written by Rasputin on 24.04.2013 at 03:12

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 24.04.2013 at 01:42

Btw eve if the pedofile party was allowed in my country it has nothing to do with homosexuality AT ALL

You have a group in your country fighting to legalize it. Well, I'm just waiting for DMS to change again, who knows, they may become LGBTP

As Marcel said, pedophilia and homosexuality are totally different things. Some would even argue that the T for trans doesn't belong in there and others lengthen it to LGBTTQQIIAA (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Transexual, Queer, Questioning, Intersex, Intergender, Asexual, & Allies) instead, but that's another topic... The way I (and many others) see it is that the dividing line between what's considered moral and immoral when it comes to sexual practices is consent. It can't be said whether children have the required knowledge and experience to consent, an older person could easily take advantage of them, and they could get physically hurt. But something tells me our views of morality are conflicting. You think that being romantically or sexually attracted to someone of the same sex is immoral, and the rest of us think punishing someone or deeming them as a lesser being simply because they wish for an intimate (and consensual) relationship with someone of the same sex is wrong.

And then like I said, we have different issues with the issue of pedophilia, because not every country constitutes 18 as the legal age, in some countries it is 11-13, but those children get married to people that are 40-50 because of the culture. So in essence, in some countries that is legit, in others it is not. And observing human history, I notice that things keep repeating. Like I mentioned before, in Rome, in China, in Japan, and probably many other countries, the issue of pedophilia was normal, so while we do not see that happening in the world today, I say we are actually much closer to it, because we have no standards and no ethics. Instead, we have a "do what you please," "everything is allowed" culture that instigates and encourages sexual deviations and to an extent even perversion, because the standards have been erased. Thus, the increase in chances of STD's, abortions, relationship issues, deconstruction of the familial units, all play in to that. I am not blaming LGBT as being the sole proprietor behind these deeds, I am merely pointing out the fact that it is one of the contributing factors. I see nothing wrong in pure Platonic love, but as soon as you take the next step, that becomes an issue in my mind, and therefore a human becomes an animal, because we have reasoning capability, animals do not. So if animals do it and it is considered natural, it must be so for humans. That is incorrect. But then again, our society is telling us we are just domesticated animals, and they keep playing the evolution theory bullshit. And no, I am not a creationist in the sense of the word, I simply do not know how or why we are here, but evolution is not correct. I work in the medical field, and just observing something as delicate as a heart, or a brain, is enough reason for me to rethink the Darwinian concept.

I am not advocating punishment, I am simply advocating the fact that I find it wrong, and that I am not convinced with the official stand of the APA or DMS like I have stated repeatedly.
Well it is funny that you mention consent. In my research I came across numerous accounts of Incest (father/daughter, brother/sister, mother/son etc.) and those are consenting adults that engage in the sexual activity. They are not hurting anyone, and someone made the argument that sex is not for procreation, so lets say that they do not have kids, they live together, enjoy rich sexual life and all that comes with it. Who are they hurting? By the definition of the current standards, that is then permissible as well. And in order for us to make it even more permissible, is if we change the DMS, and then problem solved.
You see where I am getting with this?

People can do whatever do want to do, there is no stopping that, and I am not infringing on anyone's rights, I am merely fighting for mine, and that is, that I do not accept, and I will not accept this "normalcy" until some hard evidence gets brought up to the table. But I do not see that happening, since like I said before, there is a stigma on any scientist who wants to declare or point out any issues that he/she may have found, and that for me is disturbing.

I respect your view, but I disagree with you. No hard feelings, no foul play.
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24.04.2013 - 19:35
Candlemass
Defaeco
"just domesticated animals" facepalm . That's called a straw-man.
Your not getting anywhere you are repeating yourself ad-nauseam with a non sequitur after a non sequitur. The only thing that reminds of a "JUST an domesticated animal" is someone who is conditioned like Pavlo's dogs to react to ideas with guttural voices that do not originate in higher order mental activity - ideas come along with other ideas, no logical connection is needed/analysed, they are just repeated a thousand times.
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24.04.2013 - 20:22
Rasputin
Written by Candlemass on 24.04.2013 at 19:35

"just domesticated animals" facepalm . That's called a straw-man.
Your not getting anywhere you are repeating yourself ad-nauseam with a non sequitur after a non sequitur. The only thing that reminds of a "JUST an domesticated animal" is someone who is conditioned like Pavlo's dogs to react to ideas with guttural voices that do not originate in higher order mental activity - ideas come along with other ideas, no logical connection is needed/analysed, they are just repeated a thousand times.

That is what modern society wants us to believe, so if you have an issue with that sentiment, then tell the so called scientists that they are wrong.
You guys are doing the same thing, so I see no difference.
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24.04.2013 - 20:32
Candlemass
Defaeco
Is this thread real? I'm dreaming?
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25.04.2013 - 17:48
Thrashette
Written by Rasputin on 24.04.2013 at 18:42

And then like I said, we have different issues with the issue of pedophilia, because not every country constitutes 18 as the legal age, in some countries it is 11-13, but those children get married to people that are 40-50 because of the culture. So in essence, in some countries that is legit, in others it is not. And observing human history, I notice that things keep repeating. Like I mentioned before, in Rome, in China, in Japan, and probably many other countries, the issue of pedophilia was normal, so while we do not see that happening in the world today, I say we are actually much closer to it, because we have no standards and no ethics. Instead, we have a "do what you please," "everything is allowed" culture that instigates and encourages sexual deviations and to an extent even perversion, because the standards have been erased. Thus, the increase in chances of STD's, abortions, relationship issues, deconstruction of the familial units, all play in to that. I am not blaming LGBT as being the sole proprietor behind these deeds, I am merely pointing out the fact that it is one of the contributing factors. I see nothing wrong in pure Platonic love, but as soon as you take the next step, that becomes an issue in my mind, and therefore a human becomes an animal, because we have reasoning capability, animals do not. So if animals do it and it is considered natural, it must be so for humans. That is incorrect. But then again, our society is telling us we are just domesticated animals, and they keep playing the evolution theory bullshit. And no, I am not a creationist in the sense of the word, I simply do not know how or why we are here, but evolution is not correct. I work in the medical field, and just observing something as delicate as a heart, or a brain, is enough reason for me to rethink the Darwinian concept.

I am not advocating punishment, I am simply advocating the fact that I find it wrong, and that I am not convinced with the official stand of the APA or DMS like I have stated repeatedly.
Well it is funny that you mention consent. In my research I came across numerous accounts of Incest (father/daughter, brother/sister, mother/son etc.) and those are consenting adults that engage in the sexual activity. They are not hurting anyone, and someone made the argument that sex is not for procreation, so lets say that they do not have kids, they live together, enjoy rich sexual life and all that comes with it. Who are they hurting? By the definition of the current standards, that is then permissible as well. And in order for us to make it even more permissible, is if we change the DMS, and then problem solved.
You see where I am getting with this?

People can do whatever do want to do, there is no stopping that, and I am not infringing on anyone's rights, I am merely fighting for mine, and that is, that I do not accept, and I will not accept this "normalcy" until some hard evidence gets brought up to the table. But I do not see that happening, since like I said before, there is a stigma on any scientist who wants to declare or point out any issues that he/she may have found, and that for me is disturbing.

I respect your view, but I disagree with you. No hard feelings, no foul play.

It's true that there are countries where child marriage is the norm, but the problem with that is very often the child is forced into it by their family due to poverty and desperation. It's not something consensual and the marriage very often involves abuse. Not only that, but there is a higher risk of complications in childbirth for women that young. In the countries where child marriage happens, it's normal for women to get impregnated very young and their education is disrupted. There are statistics showing that complications in childbirth and pregnancy is one of the leading causes of death for teen girls in developing countries (and it just so happens that these countries also have the highest rates of STD's). But the fact that child marriage still continues is a matter of gender inequality and poverty. It has very little to do with homosexuality.

As much as the thought of incest disgusts me, I don't have a problem with other people doing it if it's consensual and not being used for procreation. I actually have met a brother and sister who regularly had sex with each other. It was purely for pleasure, they both knew what they were getting themselves into and agreed to it, and they weren't intending to have children so I really couldn't care less...

While there is some stigma against homophobic people, I don't think it's as severe as you're making it out to be... First off, anyone who tries to publish a study that contradicts the theory accepted by the scientific community is going to face opposition and possibly ridicule. That's not unique to studies regarding homosexuality. There actually have been some studies published in attempt to prove gays aren't as good at parenting and I'm sure there have been other potentially homophobic ones out there. If acceptance of homosexuality was legitimately being forced on people, such studies would be illegal or far more controversial.
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25.04.2013 - 21:45
Rasputin
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Written by Thrashette on 25.04.2013 at 17:48


It's true that there are countries where child marriage is the norm, but the problem with that is very often the child is forced into it by their family due to poverty and desperation. It's not something consensual and the marriage very often involves abuse. Not only that, but there is a higher risk of complications in childbirth for women that young. In the countries where child marriage happens, it's normal for women to get impregnated very young and their education is disrupted. There are statistics showing that complications in childbirth and pregnancy is one of the leading causes of death for teen girls in developing countries (and it just so happens that these countries also have the highest rates of STD's). But the fact that child marriage still continues is a matter of gender inequality and poverty. It has very little to do with homosexuality.

As much as the thought of incest disgusts me, I don't have a problem with other people doing it if it's consensual and not being used for procreation. I actually have met a brother and sister who regularly had sex with each other. It was purely for pleasure, they both knew what they were getting themselves into and agreed to it, and they weren't intending to have children so I really couldn't care less...

While there is some stigma against homophobic people, I don't think it's as severe as you're making it out to be... First off, anyone who tries to publish a study that contradicts the theory accepted by the scientific community is going to face opposition and possibly ridicule. That's not unique to studies regarding homosexuality. There actually have been some studies published in attempt to prove gays aren't as good at parenting and I'm sure there have been other potentially homophobic ones out there. If acceptance of homosexuality was legitimately being forced on people, such studies would be illegal or far more controversial.

And what I am arguing again, is the fact that this may become a common practice in the future.
When you are not that disturbed with Incest, just wait as some time goes by and the mainstream media/culture starts to implant the seeds. It is an outgoing battle.
I don't care about it per se, but that does not mean I support it or approve it, or think that it is legit.

Well yeah, but I am saying that on this particular topic like with carbon dating, creationism, global warming etc. you are DOA as soon as you open you mouth, and due to the political reasons it gets halted. Carbon dating for instance is total bullshit, but anyone who tried to disprove it was burried by the rest.
In some countries is not as forced as it is being cleverly placed to the public, through games, movies, shows, books, etc. So half of the battle is won already. Other countries, like mine for instance, is getting forced to accept it, and people are getting pressured to accept it like I said before, and that is not right.
And who would even start the controversy? It takes couple of TV channels to divert attention to something else and boom, problem solved, then no one cares anymore.
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