Written by RavenKing on 13.02.2011 at 15:07

Written by Malevolent-Jim on 13.02.2011 at 05:12

Black Metal needs at least a handful of accessible bands though surely? How else will it's fanbase grow without bands like Immortal or Absu to get the listeners to acclimatize themselves to this type of music?

Sure, the genre needs more accessible bands like Immortal or some others to make people aware if its existence. What it doesn't need is bands like Dimmu Borgir, Cradle of Filth or Darkthrone's and Satyricon's recent stuff to give newcomers a false idea of what Black Metal music is.
Imo, Dimmu Borgir and later Darkthrone give a very bad image to Black Metal.

I like Dimmu Borgir, but I don't rate them as a black metal band as such. But yes, these bands aren't a true reflection of what black metal has to offer, whereas Immortal at least are.
I will also say that NSBM bands aren't much better for giving black metal, or indeed metal as a whole a very positive image either.

Written by Malevolent-Jim on 13.02.2011 at 16:36

I will also say that NSBM bands aren't much better for giving black metal, or indeed metal as a whole a very positive image either.

NSBM provides black metal with a lot in terms of image. Definitely not positive, but if Grand Belial's Key, Satanic Warmaster, Temnozor et al are publicly banned and denied access to various venues, after which they speak out against said venues and their supporters and everyone involved with banning them in the first place, black metal conversation makes its way around the world.

Just look at what Varg alone did for black metal. He almost single-handedly fed an entire musical genre practically nobody on this side of the world had ever heard until his sentencing, and now it's one of the most practiced metal sub-genres.

Written by Malevolent-Jim on 13.02.2011 at 16:36

I will also say that NSBM bands aren't much better for giving black metal, or indeed metal as a whole a very positive image either.

I think it is stupid to use music as a vessel to promote specific political ideologies. That's a thing I really hate. Especially as some ideas promoted by those bands are obsolete and retarded.
I don't think I happen to listen to any NSBM band, in fact. Not because of the lyrics but simply because it seems no NSBM band is playing a kind of Black Metal I like.

But racist lyrics is a thing I deeply despise for sure.

Written by RavenKing on 13.02.2011 at 20:02

Written by Malevolent-Jim on 13.02.2011 at 16:36

I will also say that NSBM bands aren't much better for giving black metal, or indeed metal as a whole a very positive image either.

I think it is stupid to use music as a vessel to promote specific political ideologies. That's a thing I really hate. Especially as some ideas promoted by those bands are obsolete and retarded.
I don't think I happen to listen to any NSBM band, in fact. Not because of the lyrics but simply because it seems no NSBM band is playing a kind of Black Metal I like.

But racist lyrics is a thing I deeply despise for sure.

Music should not alienate people like that. It should not be exclusive to those of a particular ethnicity or religious belief.
Having said that, I may be contradicting myself as a lot of Black metal bands such as Immortal or certainly Behemoth are overly anti-Christian. It's a double standard, but probably because it's either an easy target or it's done somewhat more damage than good.
I don't know, it's a murky topic, and I perhaps shouldn't get too much off topic from the thread. I'll just leave it with "Immortal are awesome"

Written by Malevolent-Jim on 13.02.2011 at 20:07

Written by RavenKing on 13.02.2011 at 20:02

Written by Malevolent-Jim on 13.02.2011 at 16:36

I will also say that NSBM bands aren't much better for giving black metal, or indeed metal as a whole a very positive image either.

I think it is stupid to use music as a vessel to promote specific political ideologies. That's a thing I really hate. Especially as some ideas promoted by those bands are obsolete and retarded.
I don't think I happen to listen to any NSBM band, in fact. Not because of the lyrics but simply because it seems no NSBM band is playing a kind of Black Metal I like.

But racist lyrics is a thing I deeply despise for sure.

Music should not alienate people like that. It should not be exclusive to those of a particular ethnicity or religious belief.
Having said that, I may be contradicting myself as a lot of Black metal bands such as Immortal or certainly Behemoth are overly anti-Christian. It's a double standard, but probably because it's either an easy target or it's done somewhat more damage than good.
I don't know, it's a murky topic, and I perhaps shouldn't get too much off topic from the thread. I'll just leave it with "Immortal are awesome"

Didn't Immortal admit to their lyrical content being overtly fantasy-inspired because they're Jewish? I might be mixing that statement up with another black metal band, but I know it was in the news in the last year and it was one of the "bigger" black metal bands. Almost positive it was Immortal.

I will be seeing Immortal and Absu in two weeks. I hope you all are jealous. Immortal is one band I thought I'd never see live (they don't tour a lot and bm bands don't like mid-west America). My dick gets hard at the thought.

Written by Malevolent-Jim on 13.02.2011 at 20:07

Written by RavenKing on 13.02.2011 at 20:02

Written by Malevolent-Jim on 13.02.2011 at 16:36

I will also say that NSBM bands aren't much better for giving black metal, or indeed metal as a whole a very positive image either.

I think it is stupid to use music as a vessel to promote specific political ideologies. That's a thing I really hate. Especially as some ideas promoted by those bands are obsolete and retarded.
I don't think I happen to listen to any NSBM band, in fact. Not because of the lyrics but simply because it seems no NSBM band is playing a kind of Black Metal I like.

But racist lyrics is a thing I deeply despise for sure.

Music should not alienate people like that. It should not be exclusive to those of a particular ethnicity or religious belief.
Having said that, I may be contradicting myself as a lot of Black metal bands such as Immortal or certainly Behemoth are overly anti-Christian. It's a double standard, but probably because it's either an easy target or it's done somewhat more damage than good.
I don't know, it's a murky topic, and I perhaps shouldn't get too much off topic from the thread. I'll just leave it with "Immortal are awesome"

Didn't Immortal abandon Satanic themes after their debut? @ To Troy, I doubt that anybody in Immortal is Jewish, seeing as they have an album called Pure Holocaust.

I don't think Immortal were ever really 'Satanic', even on the debut. Inspired by dark stuff, certainly, but not involved with the church burning and such, like some other Norwegian bands of the time, and not explicitly writing about Satan.

Never heard anything about them being Jewish before, if someone's read that somewhere then it was probably about a different band, or just some stupid Internet rumour. (Not that it would really matter anyway).

Pretty sure it's another band. And, whether or not this seems odd to anyone, there's a chance I was dreaming that I read a news article posted on this site about Immortal being Jewish.

Y'know, 'cause I dream of MS when I sleep.

Immortal never has writesatanic lyrics ok 1th 2 albums might be lil darker, but I never heard they be involved into some church burning, and never heard they ever say much, actualy those ''close to true'' articles and magasines hardly name immortal in any satanistic and criminal activities, HAMC in in year do more crime how Immortal do satanism, ok image,a lbum cover for mainstreem citizen can say they are satanists, but wat a min Elvis was satanist in 50's to,

Written by Troy Killjoy on 16.02.2011 at 08:37

Pretty sure it's another band. And, whether or not this seems odd to anyone, there's a chance I was dreaming that I read a news article posted on this site about Immortal being Jewish.

Y'know, 'cause I dream of MS when I sleep.

Haha, well, you originally said you were "almost positive it was Immortal" and now you're "pretty sure it's another band", so that's quite a change.

Still, after being on MS for a while, I'm sure many of us have had MS related dreams that perhaps we've got confused with reality..! If anyone ever says that Marcel sold all his Doom Metal albums to fund his secret love for modern Power Metal, or Bad English has become an English teacher at Oxford university, or Dane Train is actually the leader of a Devil worshipping cult, then that must be the result of someone's twisted dream/nightmare!

Written by Richard on 17.02.2011 at 04:03

Written by Troy Killjoy on 16.02.2011 at 08:37

Pretty sure it's another band. And, whether or not this seems odd to anyone, there's a chance I was dreaming that I read a news article posted on this site about Immortal being Jewish.

Y'know, 'cause I dream of MS when I sleep.

Haha, well, you originally said you were "almost positive it was Immortal" and now you're "pretty sure it's another band", so that's quite a change.

Still, after being on MS for a while, I'm sure many of us have had MS related dreams that perhaps we've got confused with reality..! If anyone ever says that Marcel sold all his Doom Metal albums to fund his secret love for modern Power Metal, or Bad English has become an English teacher at Oxford university, or Dane Train is actually the leader of a Devil worshipping cult, then that must be the result of someone's twisted dream/nightmare!

haha!

I was so positive at first but then I typed "Jew" and "Jewish" in the forum search and nothing came up. Then I searched for Immortal in the news section and still no dice.

My friend and I dressed up in corpsepaint and gauntlets on the first snowfall this year and ran around town blasting "At the Heart of Winter".

Written by King_of_the_Kill on 19.02.2011 at 03:13

My friend and I dressed up in corpsepaint and gauntlets on the first snowfall this year and ran around town blasting "At the Heart of Winter".

But did you dance?

Written by Troy Killjoy on 20.02.2011 at 01:19

Written by King_of_the_Kill on 19.02.2011 at 03:13

My friend and I dressed up in corpsepaint and gauntlets on the first snowfall this year and ran around town blasting "At the Heart of Winter".

But did you dance?

We sort of imitated poses/ runs from the Blashyrkh video. It was pretty damn great.

BTW I've saw some Abbath's guitar lessons on youtube,and figured out that he is really good guy....
I mean he is (musically) similar to me and a lot of self thought guitar players,and he is not some pompous dick like the vocalist from Mayhem(I dont remember names that good ) and Kronos from Venom....

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 20.02.2011 at 03:08

BTW I've saw some Abbath's guitar lessons on youtube,and figured out that he is really good guy....
I mean he is (musically) similar to me and a lot of self thought guitar players,and he is not some pompous dick like the vocalist from Mayhem(I dont remember names that good ) and Kronos from Venom....

Which vocalist? Dead, Attila, Maniac...?

Written by Troy Killjoy on 20.02.2011 at 03:21

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 20.02.2011 at 03:08

Which vocalist? Dead, Attila, Maniac...?

sorry I've made a mistake its a bassist ....

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 20.02.2011 at 03:24

sorry I've made a mistake its a bassist ....

Necrobutcher?!

Written by Yojimbo on 15.02.2011 at 04:15

I will be seeing Immortal and Absu in two weeks. I hope you all are jealous. Immortal is one band I thought I'd never see live (they don't tour a lot and bm bands don't like mid-west America). My dick gets hard at the thought.

you should find yourself a girlfriend...

Written by Troy Killjoy on 20.02.2011 at 03:27

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 20.02.2011 at 03:24

sorry I've made a mistake its a bassist ....

Necrobutcher?!

yes,it is him alright...
I've saw some interviews with him and he was always in half-drunk state and with same attitude,like "we are Mayhem,we are black metal,now bow to us and worship us... " I cant give you the exact urls ,but I think that they are easy to find on youtube...

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 20.02.2011 at 03:32

yes,it is him alright...

I don't think I agree with that. While Abbath seems more down-to-earth and generally separates himself from the "tr00" black metal crowd, Necrobutcher's a typical businessman. He understands Mayhem's cult following and current popularity, and his lack of interest in the media and in pop culture and in America might be misconstrued as arrogance. Personally I don't think he's any less down-to-earth than Abbath; in fact, he may be more so in that Abbath almost seems out of touch with the Norwegian scene, as if Immortal are something else, something "above that".

Again, I can't say with confidence about either musician. I haven't met them, I don't chill with them on the weekend...so at the end of the say you and I can speculate as much as we want from the Youtube clips and scattered interviews, but in my opinion, from the presented information, I'd argue that both are equally assholes/cool dudes.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 20.02.2011 at 03:44

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 20.02.2011 at 03:32

yes,it is him alright...

I don't think I agree with that. While Abbath seems more down-to-earth and generally separates himself from the "tr00" black metal crowd, Necrobutcher's a typical businessman. He understands Mayhem's cult following and current popularity, and his lack of interest in the media and in pop culture and in America might be misconstrued as arrogance. Personally I don't think he's any less down-to-earth than Abbath; in fact, he may be more so in that Abbath almost seems out of touch with the Norwegian scene, as if Immortal are something else, something "above that".

Again, I can't say with confidence about either musician. I haven't met them, I don't chill with them on the weekend...so at the end of the say you and I can speculate as much as we want from the Youtube clips and scattered interviews, but in my opinion, from the presented information, I'd argue that both are equally assholes/cool dudes.

well I generally agree with you on this and since you are good with words (and I am not,I prefer an AK-47 ) I will leave it a rest....
But as a musician myself i found that Abbath is not that different than me (again as a musician),and people like me (self thought guitar players)...
I meant on his guitar lesions ....I mean he forgot how to play riffs that he wrote (ok maybe it was intentional but than again,it was awesome... )

Written by Troy Killjoy on 20.02.2011 at 03:44

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 20.02.2011 at 03:32

yes,it is him alright...

I don't think I agree with that. While Abbath seems more down-to-earth and generally separates himself from the "tr00" black metal crowd, Necrobutcher's a typical businessman. He understands Mayhem's cult following and current popularity, and his lack of interest in the media and in pop culture and in America might be misconstrued as arrogance. Personally I don't think he's any less down-to-earth than Abbath; in fact, he may be more so in that Abbath almost seems out of touch with the Norwegian scene, as if Immortal are something else, something "above that".

Again, I can't say with confidence about either musician. I haven't met them, I don't chill with them on the weekend...so at the end of the say you and I can speculate as much as we want from the Youtube clips and scattered interviews, but in my opinion, from the presented information, I'd argue that both are equally assholes/cool dudes.

As far as I know, Abbath doesn't consider Immortal as Black Metal. At least not in terms of ideology.
And I think Abbath doesn't give a fuck at the Norwegian BM scene. I'm not sure if he ever cared, honestly.

Demonaz releasing a solo album.

http://www.metalstorm.net/events/news_comments.php?news_id=13064

Immortal is one of the few bands with true meaning of black metal
agree with the above saying dimmu borgir,cradle of filth and recent darkthrone stuffs are very bad image of black metal
i even dont call them black metal

Immortal is just a fun band. If there is a "right" band to get into when it comes to the more popular black metal outfits, Immortal is about the finest band to start out with.

Think I'll just leave this here :

Immortal music is very energetic I like this and enjoy.

Written by RavenKing on 13.02.2011 at 20:02

Written by Malevolent-Jim on 13.02.2011 at 16:36

I will also say that NSBM bands aren't much better for giving black metal, or indeed metal as a whole a very positive image either.

I think it is stupid to use music as a vessel to promote specific political ideologies. That's a thing I really hate. Especially as some ideas promoted by those bands are obsolete and retarded.
I don't think I happen to listen to any NSBM band, in fact. Not because of the lyrics but simply because it seems no NSBM band is playing a kind of Black Metal I like.

But racist lyrics is a thing I deeply despise for sure.

i agree with you...furthermore i find that NSBM bands are insult for BM...