Why is the top 100 messed up
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Posted by Account deleted, 07.12.2007 - 05:25
...I call it music "fashion", the big majority of people tend to listen to what is popular out there today and somehow forget, ignore or completely don't know what was the "fashion" back then when music was less digitalized and more naturalistic, musically detailed...when true talents flourished I would say.
I take for example Opeth and Wintersun two newly talented bands doing what they do best and at the same time gaining countless amounts of fans (the first one being more overrated than the other, of course) I understand people these days love the technical stuff, (I recommend Spiral Architect) but in today's music there's a lack of originality yet there's a lot of influence from those forgotten bands. In my opinion bands like Coroner, Watchtower "for example" deserve recognition rather than getting a mediocre 12 votes compared to almost 400 of pop-metal bands. I believe these people have not seen what's beyond the music they listen to but are aware of what's out there kicking these days.
The voting system in a way tends to be more balanced towards the modern people's advantage since what they vote reflects today's music, I would rather see a system in which each person individually pick their top 20 albums and have them ranked by popularity not score...I am aware that old bands will still remain in the shadows with or without this system or any new system but in a way it sounds like a more organized way of keeping such monumental title of number one of all time safe.
Here I give you the opportunity to express your thoughts and express your own points of view...Do bands like Opeth, Arcturus, Wintersun really deserve that title when competing against bands like Judas Priest, Motörhead and Iron Maiden? (<---Examples)
You wonder why MTV wasn't gay before when they didn't play bands like Trivium, Dickswitch Engay, Atreyu in a decent Metal show?... It is the same reason why I am writing this, the fans...yup, the fans (us), and of course money and the bullshit reality shows like Laguna Bitch.
*I can name hundreds of gayer bands from MTV but that's enough to scare a little...and enough to realized our generation's big mistake.
| Bad English Tage Westerlund Posts: 61010  |
Written by Guest on 15.12.2007 at 20:19 But even if thay change old albums are like legacy dont deny them, maybe I dont listen new albums, but old its legends
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Account deleted Written by gid on 15.12.2007 at 22:07 LOL, I know what you're talking about with Motorhead - they sound the same to me as well. And I definitely agree with your last comment - there's not as much room for bands to develop in wholly new directions now that the metal genre (and all the subgenres) are fairly well defined. It must be challenging to find a new niche and expand on it when there's already so much that's already been done. So I can certainly appreciate what the newer bands are up against. My original point was not to put down the new stuff in favour of the old (check my profile, my favourite album is Wintersun) but rather to draw attention to the fact that the strengths of the old bands are very different from the strengths of the new ones. Iron Maiden are creative geniuses in terms of Steve Harris' ground-breaking bass work and their willingness to explore unusual, eclectic themes. Opeth's Mikael Akerfeldt is a compositional genius who has the ability to weave phenomenally intricate and complex elements together into a dissonant masterpiece. What Iron Maiden have to offer and what Opeth have to offer are incomparable. All you find out in the Top 100 is whether there are more Maiden fans or more Opeth fans on Metal Storm. Honestly, who cares? 
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| Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck Elite Posts: 40071  |
Written by Guest on 15.12.2007 at 20:19 Okay it is about jogging, but not as much of a creative risk as one would think at first, since the song is based on the 1962 movie The Loneliness Of A Long Distance Runner. And as we all know Maiden has quite a few songs inspired by movies and literature.
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| Bad English Tage Westerlund Posts: 61010 |
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 17.12.2007 at 08:51 Almoust all songs are inspirate till No Prayer for Dying even new album But .... isnt it about Maraton battle where guy run till Atenas to tell that greeks won 
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| Dane Train Beers & Kilts Elite Posts: 8902  |
Written by gid on 15.12.2007 at 21:15 I don't think I could agree with you more. In a time when Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Dinosaur Jr., Guns n Roses, and a more commercial version of Metallica were the biggest acts in rock music, Dream Theater sure did take a risk by putting that album out. As far as most people were concerned Metal (Glam & Pop Metal is this case) were dead, and American Thrash was not far behind. Yet these five guys put out an album that sounded like nothing at the time, had no radio friendly material, no record label to support them, and no massive fan base, yet the music was so fresh, so new, so...progressive, that "Pull Me Under" became a radio and MTV hit, the album went gold and Progressive Metal had now established itself. But for some reason, people rate this alum with 1s here. Go figure.
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| Doc G. Full Grown Hoser Staff Posts: 9718  |
Meh, I think this all comes down to the simple problem of each person having different standards for what makes a top notch album, some people judge purely on speed or skill, another on complexity, another on production and depth, uniqueness, catchiness,others that judge it on an album standing the test of time and leaving a permanent mark on metals history. and you can usually see this in a persons votes what type of judge they are, and the majority of what kind of people there are can be seen in the top 100.
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| Damnated Churchburner Posts: 4943  |
Written by Guest on 16.12.2007 at 10:58 yeah, i was about to say the same. this thread should be locked. there's nothing to discuss here.
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| Evil Chip Posts: 505  |
There are 4 iron maiden albums in the top 10. Yeah I know they are a classic, but... Are they the only metal band that is good?. Seems like every fan votes 1 for other bands that can be a potential top 10.
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| Evil Chip Posts: 505 |
Written by Guest on 11.03.2008 at 04:06 Yeah I know in Iron Maiden classic albums there are the classic tracks and the others are just fillers. I think are good or very good albums with catchy riffs and choruses not much more than that.
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| Evil Chip Posts: 505 |
And its stupid to say all classics are masterpieces, I own a lot of them but not all of them are masterpiece. And by the way all of that albums where mainstream at their time, more than the new metal albums (metal is a more underground music now). Some new bands have come with really good albums like Opeth, and to say that new metal its a new fashion shows inmaturity and lack of based argues. How can a band with 10 minutes tracks be a fashion. Theres no respectful to all those classic albums just objetive point of views.
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| Evil Chip Posts: 505 |
Written by selken on 07.12.2007 at 16:42 Opeth and Arcturus on MTV??????. Wtf i only have my chemical romance, fall out boys, panic at the disco, kudai and the more metal in mtv is 30 second to mars. I see South Park always too.
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| selken Irreligious Posts: 949  |
Written by Evil Chip on 11.03.2008 at 04:48 I was being sarcastic 
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Written by selken on 11.03.2008 at 21:12 Oh  But south park rules anyways.
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| Lucas Mr. Noise Elite Posts: 13427  |
Written by Guest on 20.09.2008 at 22:32 It isn't like that. There is a top 100 based on votes, and one based on how many people own it.
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| Slayer666 Posts: 2466  |
Written by Lucas on 21.09.2008 at 14:58 Exactly, that's why top 100 is crap. The album needs a 100 votes to be on it, so only the bands that are either really commercialized or have a great advertising can even compete. When I look at it, and see Opeth's album at position 3...... I don't like Metallica, but I can somewhat understand that their albums are 1st and 2nd. Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, Dream Theatre, Porcupine Tree.... Ugh. Many of the albums at top 100 are good, but are certanly not good enough to be there, while some real amazing releases are forgoten. All of this is in my not-so-modest opinion.
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| BitterCOld The Ancient One Admin Posts: 15250  |
The vote minimum is smart. the fact is it needs some actual validation for consideration. this site is littered with people who horribly inflate ratings (or horribly deflate as well) for albums. i remember naglfar used to have scores of over 9.1 for each of their albums, so i went and bought one. well, it was a pretty good album the first listen through (8.0 imo), but after each listen it lost some luster. now i'd barely consider it a 7. the fact is 11 people (fanbois) voting horribly overinflated that work. the last thing i want is something like "Sheol" showing up on our top 100 because a fistful of fanbois love it and no one else has even bothered to check it out. part of the significance of an album is the influence of said album. the impact it had. if only a dozen metalstormers have heard it, it couldn't really have had too terribly much of an impact, could it? finally, the concept about minimum posts for voting is absurd on a couple levels. 1. we have plenty of people on the site who do not participate on the forums who know their music. there are a couple dozen members of various metal bands that MSers love that visit the site, see what's said about their stuff. They don't post - but i'm willing to bet they know their metal. probably better than most of us do. 2. a posting minimum would just promote spam. i'd rather have Arkona direct 250 people to our site to register and vote for their album and then disappear than 250 people spamming the forums with "Dude, band X rocks... :banger;" just to hit the minimum to support their favorite artist.
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| Syk myspace/bonerama Posts: 1504  |
Written by BitterCOld on 25.01.2009 at 11:03I agree that a minimum post count in order to vote for albums is absurd, but about your last paragraph, I'm not so sure. With proper moderation and deletion of such useless posts, perhaps the avoidance of lamevotes would be easier under those circumstances than if a band directs fans to sign up and they never truly join the community (i.e. completely cease visiting the site after one or two days).
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