Can we agree to disagree?

no

THEN WE WILL FOREVER WAGE WAR.

Discharge = the beginning of the black metal sound.

you = shut the fuck up while the adults are talking.

you = go back to bed grandpa

Keep it clean please...

Written by Guest on 11.12.2007 at 23:25

The question wether A was influenced by B is somehow useless, but it's important to see if A is a logical continuation of B. Bathory could had taken some elements from Discharge, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Discharge forms part of Bathory as both bands certainly don't follow the same musical and aesthetic line, but they run paralelly. We can't say the same of, for example, Motorhead, because they DO form part of the same process over which black metal developed.

I don't understand this reasoning. If anything it should be the other way round. Motorhead's dirthy thrashy metal can be considered one of the most important factors in starting extreme metal off but it's hard to draw many similarities between Motorhead and more recent extreme metal. Discharge's primitive and angry sound appears to be influential (IMO) on many extreme metal bands in the '80s and continued to be an influence later on (Less than in the '80s but much more influentiual than Motorhead).

Obvious Discharge influence: Ildjarn, Darkthrone, Von. What about important non-first-wave black metal bands influenced by Motorhead?

Written by -tom- on 16.12.2007 at 01:10
What about important non-first-wave black metal bands influenced by Motorhead?

Do we consider Impaled Nazarene important?

Written by totaliteraliter on 16.12.2007 at 01:21

Written by -tom- on 16.12.2007 at 01:10
What about important non-first-wave black metal bands influenced by Motorhead?

Do we consider Impaled Nazarene important?

PSH NO

Written by totaliteraliter on 16.12.2007 at 01:21

Written by -tom- on 16.12.2007 at 01:10
What about important non-first-wave black metal bands influenced by Motorhead?

Do we consider Impaled Nazarene important?

Do you think ImpNaz were more influenced by Motorhead than crust?

Written by -tom- on 16.12.2007 at 01:10

Written by Guest on 11.12.2007 at 23:25

The question wether A was influenced by B is somehow useless, but it's important to see if A is a logical continuation of B. Bathory could had taken some elements from Discharge, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Discharge forms part of Bathory as both bands certainly don't follow the same musical and aesthetic line, but they run paralelly. We can't say the same of, for example, Motorhead, because they DO form part of the same process over which black metal developed.

I don't understand this reasoning. If anything it should be the other way round. Motorhead's dirthy thrashy metal can be considered one of the most important factors in starting extreme metal off but it's hard to draw many similarities between Motorhead and more recent extreme metal. Discharge's primitive and angry sound appears to be influential (IMO) on many extreme metal bands in the '80s and continued to be an influence later on (Less than in the '80s but much more influentiual than Motorhead).

Obvious Discharge influence: Ildjarn, Darkthrone, Von. What about important non-first-wave black metal bands influenced by Motorhead?

I think neither Discharge nor Motorhead (I know that was a dramatical disaster but wtf) influenced more recent black metal, and I think the similarities between Discharge and many black metal bands like Ildjarn can be mere coincidence. After all, everything you need to sound like discharge are jars, strings and a fair dose of anger.

Written by -tom- on 16.12.2007 at 14:31
Do you think ImpNaz were more influenced by Motorhead than crust?

Couldn't say just by listening, it's hard to distinguish where exactly the dirty rock/punk aspect of their sound came from specifically.

Is this band from what Metallica take song 'Free Speach For The Dumb'

Written by Bad English on 17.12.2007 at 20:55

Is this band from what Metallica take song 'Free Speach For The Dumb'

I believe so!

I dont think Discharge has much to do with black metal. They are a crossover punk/thrash band from the 80s..they liked to piss people off..thats about it.

Written by Guest on 18.12.2007 at 00:58

I dont think Discharge has much to do with black metal. They are a crossover punk/thrash band from the 80s..they liked to piss people off..thats about it.

what

Written by mankvill on 09.12.2007 at 23:02

Written by Bad English on 09.12.2007 at 10:30

Sorry if there was no MA I ont know band and how tahy can be influenced, Marcel are write Venom, Bathory, King Diamond are mor einfluenced how thay, thay seems be forgotten

Discharge is one of the first (Maybe THE first) crust punk band.

to make this short, discharge is not crust. discharge (talking about the demo stuff and debut only) is pure in your face hardcore punk played the good way, we can argue about the demos though, since they lack the speed to be really considered hardcore, but then, black flag wouldn't be hardcore punk either. most metalheads claim that discharge is the first hardcore punk band and whatever, but that's just because they don't know anything about hardcore punk. anyway, i'm not telling that you're one of them, but just get your stuff right. if you're looking for the pioneers of crust, try amebix and antisect.

As for the topic, it's not just Discharge, I think punk was a huge influence on metal in general, not only on thrash metal but also in death and black. since i hate venom and most of the first-wave "black metal" bands, I can't tell if it's an influence on it, but i don't think that punk and/or discharge has influenced the second wave of it or the today present bands. though the influence of punk music in metal is obvious so yeah I think it did somehow influence the birth of black metal.

Written by Guest on 18.12.2007 at 00:58

I dont think Discharge has much to do with black metal. They are a crossover punk/thrash band from the 80s..they liked to piss people off..thats about it.

what no way maybe thay had a lot of albums MA shows a lot of but genrelary thay are good band, and its ROOTS of BM, because King Diamond/Mercifull Fate, Venom, Bulldozer, and such bands werry inspirated whole Norvegian BM
Venom bass/vocals sad :'' You fuckers know, that I use to know a lot of musicians who play like we, but moust of tham ha skids, and day job nowdays, but venom still on the road, buut hearing that whole Norvegian BM scene and bands has been isnpirated of Venom .... ''

same about Discharge

Written by Bad English on 26.12.2007 at 12:17

Written by Guest on 18.12.2007 at 00:58

I dont think Discharge has much to do with black metal. They are a crossover punk/thrash band from the 80s..they liked to piss people off..thats about it.

what no way maybe thay had a lot of albums MA shows a lot of but genrelary thay are good band, and its ROOTS of BM, because King Diamond/Mercifull Fate, Venom, Bulldozer, and such bands werry inspirated whole Norvegian BM
Venom bass/vocals sad :'' You fuckers know, that I use to know a lot of musicians who play like we, but moust of tham ha skids, and day job nowdays, but venom still on the road, buut hearing that whole Norvegian BM scene and bands has been isnpirated of Venom .... ''

same about Discharge

Nah I still think Discharge is early thrash/punk

Written by Guest on 26.12.2007 at 21:27

Written by Bad English on 26.12.2007 at 12:17

Written by Guest on 18.12.2007 at 00:58

I dont think Discharge has much to do with black metal. They are a crossover punk/thrash band from the 80s..they liked to piss people off..thats about it.

what no way maybe thay had a lot of albums MA shows a lot of but genrelary thay are good band, and its ROOTS of BM, because King Diamond/Mercifull Fate, Venom, Bulldozer, and such bands werry inspirated whole Norvegian BM
Venom bass/vocals sad :'' You fuckers know, that I use to know a lot of musicians who play like we, but moust of tham ha skids, and day job nowdays, but venom still on the road, buut hearing that whole Norvegian BM scene and bands has been isnpirated of Venom .... ''

same about Discharge

Nah I still think Discharge is early thrash/punk

Yes it is but itinspirate BM scene

Written by Bad English on 26.12.2007 at 21:39

Written by Guest on 26.12.2007 at 21:27

Written by Bad English on 26.12.2007 at 12:17

Written by Guest on 18.12.2007 at 00:58

I dont think Discharge has much to do with black metal. They are a crossover punk/thrash band from the 80s..they liked to piss people off..thats about it.

what no way maybe thay had a lot of albums MA shows a lot of but genrelary thay are good band, and its ROOTS of BM, because King Diamond/Mercifull Fate, Venom, Bulldozer, and such bands werry inspirated whole Norvegian BM
Venom bass/vocals sad :'' You fuckers know, that I use to know a lot of musicians who play like we, but moust of tham ha skids, and day job nowdays, but venom still on the road, buut hearing that whole Norvegian BM scene and bands has been isnpirated of Venom .... ''

same about Discharge

Nah I still think Discharge is early thrash/punk

Yes it is but itinspirate BM scene

I still dont think so

#Ellie ask those guys who play BM, thay was young whan Discharge play so thay inspirated tham

Written by Bad English on 26.12.2007 at 12:17

Written by Guest on 18.12.2007 at 00:58

I dont think Discharge has much to do with black metal. They are a crossover punk/thrash band from the 80s..they liked to piss people off..thats about it.

what no way maybe thay had a lot of albums MA shows a lot of but genrelary thay are good band, and its ROOTS of BM, because King Diamond/Mercifull Fate, Venom, Bulldozer, and such bands werry inspirated whole Norvegian BM
Venom bass/vocals sad :'' You fuckers know, that I use to know a lot of musicians who play like we, but moust of tham ha skids, and day job nowdays, but venom still on the road, buut hearing that whole Norvegian BM scene and bands has been isnpirated of Venom .... ''

same about Discharge

Too bad i dont understand the moust of you writting

I at least have never seen Discharge meontioned anywhere when speaking about the roots of bm. The 3 first band you mentioned you'll allways find when speaking of the subject. And im quit known with Discharge's music.

After listening to Ildjarn's Det Frysende Nordariket, I thought that Discharge was definitely an influence upon black metal. Similarly, bands like Darkthrone and Impaled Nazarene have punk-hardcore elements which could be traced back to Discharge.

Damn i should start reading the topics correctly. I didnt notice it said first wave.

Yeah i guess Discharge could have had an influence on the first wave of black metal.

Written by A.J Thunder on 27.12.2007 at 17:16

Damn i should start reading the topics correctly. I didnt notice it said first wave.

Yeah i guess Discharge could have had an influence on the first wave of black metal.

Thay never read firts post

Even early mayhem and Darthrone can sounds lil but like tham, werry litle inspirations there are of this band

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Written by Guest on 27.12.2007 at 02:42



Yes it is but itinspirate BM scene

I still dont think so

This band ha sinspirated even metallica, have you hear Metallica garage inc album have you know what kind a punk bands thay listened? look to Garage Ince there be full of such type of bands, and also BM biorn something in late 80ties, and almoust ewery band know this band, and lil take something

Listend early Darkthrone

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Written by Bad English on 27.12.2007 at 17:30

Written by Guest on 27.12.2007 at 02:42



Yes it is but itinspirate BM scene

I still dont think so

This band ha sinspirated even metallica, have you hear Metallica garage inc album have you know what kind a punk bands thay listened? look to Garage Ince there be full of such type of bands, and also BM biorn something in late 80ties, and almoust ewery band know this band, and lil take something

Listend early Darkthrone

When a band is covered that doesn't necessarily mean that the band is inspired by them.

Take for example Turisas covering Boney M.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 27.12.2007 at 18:17


When a band is covered that doesn't necessarily mean that the band is inspired by them.

Take for example Turisas covering Boney M.

sdame like megadeth covered Sinatra(not Frank ) but in Metallica case thay IMo isnpirated lil bit of band, and I read that thay listened this band when was young

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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 27.12.2007 at 18:17

Written by Bad English on 27.12.2007 at 17:30

Written by Guest on 27.12.2007 at 02:42



Yes it is but itinspirate BM scene

I still dont think so

This band ha sinspirated even metallica, have you hear Metallica garage inc album have you know what kind a punk bands thay listened? look to Garage Ince there be full of such type of bands, and also BM biorn something in late 80ties, and almoust ewery band know this band, and lil take something

Listend early Darkthrone

When a band is covered that doesn't necessarily mean that the band is inspired by them.

Take for example Turisas covering Boney M.

But Children Of Bodom were obviously influenced by Britney Spears

Now, I think it's a bit hilaraious that some people talk about Ildjarn like the "proof" of black metal being directly influenced by Discharge. First, Ildjarn couldn't be considered as one of the early black metal acts, second, they're certainly not a typical black metal act, and their own influence for the whole genre isn't as huge neither, and last I don't really see an obvious relation between both bands, beside the fact that both habe garage noise sound, short songs and underdeveloped composition.