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How many times did you listen to this album? I mean, I had the same opinion after 1-2 or 3 runs. You know, a good record deserves a number of runs to understand it. So just give it some more time to get into your head  |
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Written by andreosokin on 09.04.2012 at 12:52
How many times did you listen to this album? I mean, I had the same opinion after 1-2 or 3 runs. You know, a good record deserves a number of runs to understand it. So just give it some more time to get into your head
A good record can also be understood after one spin and the same thing applies for a bad records.
99% of all music isn't so deep and complicated that you need to spin it loads of times to understand it. I certainly wouldn't classify Porcupine Tree as to being so deep and complicated. |
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 09.04.2012 at 13:17
I certainly wouldn't classify Porcupine Tree as to being so deep and complicated.
Obviously you just don't understand the mastery of this project, Marcel. You have to listen to these albums 10 times to get it. |
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 09.04.2012 at 16:36
You have to listen to these albums 10 times to get it.
Then they are like an extremely bad teacher failing to get thier point across right from the start  |
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 09.04.2012 at 13:17
A good record can also be understood after one spin and the same thing applies for a bad records.
99% of all music isn't so deep and complicated that you need to spin it loads of times to understand it. I certainly wouldn't classify Porcupine Tree as to being so deep and complicated.
If you are that perceptive that's quite a remarkable feat, at least from my perspective. As a rule of thumb I usually require about 3-4 listens to grasp an album. One listen certainly isn't enough for me, unless its exceptionally accessible or something which offers nothing I wouldn't have expected.
I don't think music has to be 'deep and complicated' in order for it take more than a single listen to comprehend, it has more to do with one's familiarity of the elements within the music itself and how they're put together.
'Deep and complicated' I think is more of a personal emotional response triggered by certain kinds of music to particular people.
As for this album... I think you judge it a bit harshly, particularly in originality as I always feel that they bring something at least slightly different to the table, but its still not an album I really enjoy all that much when compared with PT's other releases. |
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Why did you bring Pink Floyd's Animals in there? Don't state as a fact that's a bad album, it's just your opinion.  |
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Written by JohnDoe on 09.04.2012 at 18:55
Don't state as a fact that's a bad album, it's just your opinion.
A review is an opinion piece, no matter how objective it may seem. |
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 09.04.2012 at 19:35
Written by JohnDoe on 09.04.2012 at 18:55
Don't state as a fact that's a bad album, it's just your opinion.
A review is an opinion piece, no matter how objective it may seem.
right, why did he bring Animals in discussion? |
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Written by JohnDoe on 09.04.2012 at 19:55
right, why did he bring Animals in discussion?
Because he felt the songs were carbon copies of the ones that appear on Pink Floyd's Animals. |
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 09.04.2012 at 19:57
Written by JohnDoe on 09.04.2012 at 19:55
right, why did he bring Animals in discussion?
Because he felt the songs were carbon copies of the ones that appear on Pink Floyd's Animals.
He lost me there in that paragraph; I mean it's no secret Porcupine Tree is influenced by Pink Floyd. Is he saying the production of Animals is bad and so is that of The Incident? |
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Written by JohnDoe on 09.04.2012 at 20:04
He lost me there in that paragraph; I mean it's no secret Porcupine Tree is influenced by Pink Floyd. Is he saying the production of Animals is bad and so is that of The Incident?
He's saying one of the songs in particular, "Time Flies", sounds as if it came straight from the Animals album, if only you took that song and cheapened the production slightly, meaning he thinks Animals is a poorly produced album - or at least more poorly than The Incident. |
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Quote:
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He's saying one of the songs in particular, "Time Flies", sounds as if it came straight from the Animals album, if only you took that song and cheapened the production slightly, meaning he thinks Animals is a poorly produced album - or at least more poorly than The Incident.
what's wrong with the production on PF's Animals? I don't get it. |
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Written by JohnDoe on 09.04.2012 at 20:11
what's wrong with the production on PF's Animals? I don't get it.
Beats me. I never really cared for Pink Floyd beyond a few songs so I'm not really one to ask to dissect the music. Ask Nosurper. |
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 09.04.2012 at 20:16
Written by JohnDoe on 09.04.2012 at 20:11
what's wrong with the production on PF's Animals? I don't get it.
Beats me. I never really cared for Pink Floyd beyond a few songs so I'm not really one to ask to dissect the music. Ask Nosurper.
right, i wasn't asking just you (sorry for quoting you so much), but, yes, the reviewer needs to explain that. |
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| Well there you have it Mr. Reviewer, one of your readers wants to know why you have beef with the production on Animals. |
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Written by JohnDoe on 09.04.2012 at 20:11
what's wrong with the production on PF's Animals? I don't get it.
Don't get your head around that idea too much. There is no way "Time Flies" could fit in Animals, it was an attempt of the reviewer of not being too direct saying that the song is a ripoff of the songs on that album. |
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 09.04.2012 at 13:17
Written by andreosokin on 09.04.2012 at 12:52
How many times did you listen to this album? I mean, I had the same opinion after 1-2 or 3 runs. You know, a good record deserves a number of runs to understand it. So just give it some more time to get into your head
A good record can also be understood after one spin and the same thing applies for a bad records.
99% of all music isn't so deep and complicated that you need to spin it loads of times to understand it. I certainly wouldn't classify Porcupine Tree as to being so deep and complicated.
Umm.. Meshuggah? |
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Written by Hybreda on 09.04.2012 at 20:48
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 09.04.2012 at 13:17
Written by andreosokin on 09.04.2012 at 12:52
How many times did you listen to this album? I mean, I had the same opinion after 1-2 or 3 runs. You know, a good record deserves a number of runs to understand it. So just give it some more time to get into your head
A good record can also be understood after one spin and the same thing applies for a bad records.
99% of all music isn't so deep and complicated that you need to spin it loads of times to understand it. I certainly wouldn't classify Porcupine Tree as to being so deep and complicated.
Umm.. Meshuggah?
They sound way more complictaed than they actually are. And that's another band I can judge after one listen. |
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Written by Hybreda on 09.04.2012 at 20:48
Umm.. Meshuggah?
If you had a hard time getting into them, that is just you. I believe you can find people who liked Shugga at first listen, I know a guy.
I agree that "music hard getting into" it's not fault of the music, but of the people. |
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Written by Unhealer on 09.04.2012 at 20:48
Written by JohnDoe on 09.04.2012 at 20:11
what's wrong with the production on PF's Animals? I don't get it.
Don't get your head around that idea too much. There is no way "Time Flies" could fit in Animals, it was an attempt of the reviewer of not being too direct saying that the song is a ripoff of the songs on that album.
well, I've just finished listening to the song and it's no rip-off of any song of Animals 
Porcupine Tree has always been influenced by Pink Floyd, especially by David Gilmour's guitar playing, but from this to rip-off, there's a long way. |
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Written by JohnDoe on 09.04.2012 at 21:48
Porcupine Tree has always been influenced by Pink Floyd, especially by David Gilmour's guitar playing, but from this to rip-off, there's a long way.
I don't think is a rip-off either, but it's clearly a homage. The whole structure is really similar to "Dogs" and there are some bits that remind me of "Sheep".
And if you really like to think it's a rip-off, I guess you can also find some pigs in there as well. |
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Written by Unhealer on 09.04.2012 at 21:57
Written by JohnDoe on 09.04.2012 at 21:48
Porcupine Tree has always been influenced by Pink Floyd, especially by David Gilmour's guitar playing, but from this to rip-off, there's a long way.
I don't think is a rip-off either, but it's clearly a homage. The whole structure is really similar to "Dogs" and there are some bits that remind me of "Sheep".
And if you really like to think it's a rip-off, I guess you can also find some pigs in there as well.
What he said. |
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| And the production on Animals is good for its time, I'm just referring to modern recording techniques and their effect on modern music as opposed to older stuff |
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Written by Nosurper on 09.04.2012 at 22:15
Written by Unhealer on 09.04.2012 at 21:57
Written by JohnDoe on 09.04.2012 at 21:48
Porcupine Tree has always been influenced by Pink Floyd, especially by David Gilmour's guitar playing, but from this to rip-off, there's a long way.
I don't think is a rip-off either, but it's clearly a homage. The whole structure is really similar to "Dogs" and there are some bits that remind me of "Sheep".
And if you really like to think it's a rip-off, I guess you can also find some pigs in there as well.
What he said.
really, it's not what you say in your review, now the song is an homage?! Make up your mind, is it a rip-off or an homage?  |
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 09.04.2012 at 20:07
Written by JohnDoe on 09.04.2012 at 20:04
He lost me there in that paragraph; I mean it's no secret Porcupine Tree is influenced by Pink Floyd. Is he saying the production of Animals is bad and so is that of The Incident?
He's saying one of the songs in particular, "Time Flies", sounds as if it came straight from the Animals album, if only you took that song and cheapened the production slightly, meaning he thinks Animals is a poorly produced album - or at least more poorly than The Incident.
Basically this |
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| @ Nosurper: what's wrong with the production of Animals? |
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| Eh, I said Floydian carbon-copy. I'd go with homage though. I did say it was one of highlights on the title track. |
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Older stuff just has a different sound. If I reviewed Animals, I would rate the production higher than I did on The Incident because I think The Incident is a bit overproduced.  |
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Written by Nosurper on 09.04.2012 at 22:22
Older stuff just has a different sound
so is it good sound or bad sound? |
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I elaborated in the edit  |
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Written by Nosurper on 09.04.2012 at 22:25
I elaborated in the edit
ok, I've just seen your edit. I won't bother you anymore. |
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| Well, I am not surprised. Many PT fans were disappointed with this release. All of those fans wanted another ...Blank Planet. Steve Wilson tried something different and for that he got blasted. It's not a bad album by any means. I agree: Disk 2 is the highlight of the entire release. |
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| I have been listening to it since a long time and obviously it´s not their best album, but Porcupine Tree always offers ( by now ) good arrangements, fine production and deserves at least an 8. Somebody could think some songs sounds like Pink Floyd or something that we have already heard before. I´ll give them a chance for the next album to come. |
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