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| Very good album. It may be one of their best too. |
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| I also think this one is the best. I liked the review. |
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| yeah, I agree, great album... One of their best definately... Dont rate it higher than their latest effort though... |
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| I also really enjoyed Viva Emptiness. Thought it was a bit too gothic/rockish at first, but still enjoyed the hell out of it. |
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| this album really grew on me in the last weeks. can't stand their other 'goth-rock' albums, though. |
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| This an excellent album. The whole mood of the album is coherent. Its rather depressive in a beautiful way. They were always emotional with their lyrics and sounds but this was their highest jump. And they werent about to stop here. |
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I;ve been masturbating over this album for the past 3 weeks, and it just seems to get better and better with each listen. Its such an incredible album with so many little subtle twists and turns in each song that the album itself is very unique, yet at the same time maintaining a great amount of accesibility that even casual metal listeners will dig it.
There are so many parts of songs which sound like there going in one direction and then seem to vear into something I wouldn't expect things to go, as well as the many weird paces of the songs themselves. 10/10 |
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Pure Emptiness indeed. It definitely grew on me when I heard it today. Awesome album. I gonna buy it  |
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| Few songs are too catchy and I can't resist (like "Ghost Of The Sun" or "Evidence"), but it's not a bad album although after ~4th song it becomes too boring to listen. That's how it is with these soft albums. |
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| An album which expresses Coherence among songs, every one of them is a part of an all. An album that has to be listened from the beginning to the end. |
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| This album is very good although i prefer older Katatonia more.. |
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| Katatonia's best work to date IMO. I don't know what it is about the album, but it puts me to sleep (in a good way!) |
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Written by Italics on 18.05.2009 at 06:45
Katatonia's best work to date IMO. I don't know what it is about the album, but it puts me to sleep (in a good way!)
it's true! i've felt it to!!! |
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| I don't know, this just seems too strong for a Katatonia release.... It doesn't have that atmosphere the early works did. Or, maybe that is just me. |
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| Didn't really like it...maybe a few more listens... |
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Written by Luneth on 19.02.2011 at 01:51
Didn't really like it...maybe a few more listens...
You should, because I did not like it at the first couple of listens
it is strange actually because you would think that this is an easy album to get into but it is not , probably because it's variation |
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Written by InnerSelf on 19.02.2011 at 02:15
Written by Luneth on 19.02.2011 at 01:51
Didn't really like it...maybe a few more listens...
You should, because I did not like it at the first couple of listens
it is strange actually because you would think that this is an easy album to get into but it is not , probably because it's variation
Not only that, I haven't really heard much of their old stuff, not enough to understand the change in direction/appreciate it. |
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Written by Luneth on 19.02.2011 at 02:41
Written by InnerSelf on 19.02.2011 at 02:15
Written by Luneth on 19.02.2011 at 01:51
Didn't really like it...maybe a few more listens...
You should, because I did not like it at the first couple of listens
it is strange actually because you would think that this is an easy album to get into but it is not , probably because it's variation
Not only that, I haven't really heard much of their old stuff, not enough to understand the change in direction/appreciate it.
Katatonia's greatness comes from these shifts through different genres and approaches. you should really listen to everything they have done |
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Written by InnerSelf on 19.02.2011 at 02:15
it is strange actually because you would think that this is an easy album to get into but it is not , probably because it's variation
weird. I found it an extremely easy album to get into. Actually their easiest to get into for me. |
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 19.02.2011 at 13:37
Written by InnerSelf on 19.02.2011 at 02:15
it is strange actually because you would think that this is an easy album to get into but it is not , probably because it's variation
weird. I found it an extremely easy album to get into. Actually their easiest to get into for me.
What I meant was that even though it is very accessible but it took a while for me until I fully appreciated it as it is "in my opinion" the best of their post-Brave Murder Day era  |
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| @innerself for me it is also their best of their post Brave Murder Day era and strangely enough I fully appreciated it upon first listen whereas the others took longer and the last two I still find their worst and most boring by far. |
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 19.02.2011 at 22:49
@innerself for me it is also their best of their post Brave Murder Day era and strangely enough I fully appreciated it upon first listen whereas the others took longer and the last two I still find their worst and most boring by far.
I think their worst is Tonight's Decision the vocals were horrible and the music was very boring , but the latest two were pretty solid especially The Great Cold Distance "which I know you among others hate " but I really enjoyed it
the last album might be a bit dodgy at times but it is still good |
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| Yeah I've listened to Tonight's Decision and Last Fair deal a lot over the years and I've never really been all that into them, they are quite clumsy in terms of songwriting and the Renkse's vocals are seriously undeveloped. Though I didn't like the last two albums very much for a long time I've learned to see that they're actually pretty good records and it may or may not be the result of studio tweaking and polish but the vocals are much improved. |
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| Renske's vocals might be the highlight of the last two albums and the improvement was great. the thing that I find strange is that his vocals were good on Discouraged Ones but then sucked in Tonight's Decision, I still find that puzzling |
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 21.02.2011 at 15:49
Yeah I've listened to Tonight's Decision and Last Fair deal a lot over the years and I've never really been all that into them, they are quite clumsy in terms of songwriting and the Renkse's vocals are seriously undeveloped. Though I didn't like the last two albums very much for a long time I've learned to see that they're actually pretty good records and it may or may not be the result of studio tweaking and polish but the vocals are much improved.
What does "clumsy in terms of songwriting" mean? I don't understand what you meant to say by this, please explain. |
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Written by InnerSelf on 20.02.2011 at 13:46
I think their worst is Tonight's Decision the vocals were horrible and the music was very boring , but the latest two were pretty solid especially The Great Cold Distance
Holy shit someone thinks like I do!
Well.. I haven't heard their latest yet so I can't talk about that one but I find Tonight's Decision to be very boring with just a few tracks that are worth it to call the album "good" but it's a very "meh" kind of good if you know what I mean. And yes... I find "The Great Cold Distance" to be better than TD
And I ALSO agree with what you wrote about the vocals. I absolutely LOVE Discouraged Ones, it's in my top 3 easily from their discography and I think the vocals were perfect there... So I don't understand why I think the vocals sucked in TD (although I do think they were good again in LFDGD. |
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Written by Slayer666 on 22.02.2011 at 15:55
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 21.02.2011 at 15:49
Yeah I've listened to Tonight's Decision and Last Fair deal a lot over the years and I've never really been all that into them, they are quite clumsy in terms of songwriting and the Renkse's vocals are seriously undeveloped. Though I didn't like the last two albums very much for a long time I've learned to see that they're actually pretty good records and it may or may not be the result of studio tweaking and polish but the vocals are much improved.
What does "clumsy in terms of songwriting" mean? I don't understand what you meant to say by this, please explain.
That it isn't very effective i.e. the songs aren't very good because they were treated with clumsy songwriting approach and have awkward elements which in the end doesn't sound all that great, parts of songs sound forced and unnatural too. Viva Emptiness is a much more cohesive and well constructed record. |
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 22.02.2011 at 16:13
Written by Slayer666 on 22.02.2011 at 15:55
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 21.02.2011 at 15:49
Yeah I've listened to Tonight's Decision and Last Fair deal a lot over the years and I've never really been all that into them, they are quite clumsy in terms of songwriting and the Renkse's vocals are seriously undeveloped. Though I didn't like the last two albums very much for a long time I've learned to see that they're actually pretty good records and it may or may not be the result of studio tweaking and polish but the vocals are much improved.
What does "clumsy in terms of songwriting" mean? I don't understand what you meant to say by this, please explain.
That it isn't very effective i.e. the songs aren't very good because they were treated with clumsy songwriting approach and have awkward elements which in the end doesn't sound all that great, parts of songs sound forced and unnatural too.
Hmm... As I've stated countless times, this I do not agree with. TD surely isn't as tight and well-polished as Viva or The Great Cold Distance, but it has a soul, it has emotion. While listening to TD, I can clearly picture the whole setup: murky, stormy weather, a man sad to leave his town, etc. (don't want to get too emotional here  ). When listening to Viva, the only thing I can picture is a couple of guys in the studio, trying to make a record that will sell good. |
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Written by Slayer666 on 22.02.2011 at 16:22
Hmm... As I've stated countless times, this I do not agree with. TD surely isn't as tight and well-polished as Viva or The Great Cold Distance, but it has a soul, it has emotion. While listening to TD, I can clearly picture the whole setup: murky, stormy weather, a man sad to leave his town, etc. (don't want to get too emotional here ). When listening to Viva, the only thing I can picture is a couple of guys in the studio, trying to make a record that will sell good.
That's "sell well" ;]
I've tried the two records prior to this one numerous times over the past 6 or so years and they've never gelled with me. They have good songs but they also have some rather poor ones. Viva represents the band at a comfortable level of craftmanship and style; they knew what they were doing on this one. |
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 22.02.2011 at 16:29
Written by Slayer666 on 22.02.2011 at 16:22
Hmm... As I've stated countless times, this I do not agree with. TD surely isn't as tight and well-polished as Viva or The Great Cold Distance, but it has a soul, it has emotion. While listening to TD, I can clearly picture the whole setup: murky, stormy weather, a man sad to leave his town, etc. (don't want to get too emotional here ). When listening to Viva, the only thing I can picture is a couple of guys in the studio, trying to make a record that will sell good.
That's "sell well" ;]
I've tried the two records prior to this one numerous times over the past 6 or so years and they've never gelled with me. They have good songs but they also have some rather poor ones. Viva represents the band at a comfortable level of craftmanship and style; they knew what they were doing on this one.
Oh, screw, I knew there was a mistake in there somewhere.
IMO, Renkse definitely knows what his doing on Viva (his vocals really are awesome), but I can't say the same for Nyström.
To each his own, as always.  |
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Written by Mr. Doctor on 22.02.2011 at 16:03
Written by InnerSelf on 20.02.2011 at 13:46
I think their worst is Tonight's Decision the vocals were horrible and the music was very boring , but the latest two were pretty solid especially The Great Cold Distance
Holy shit someone thinks like I do!
Well.. I haven't heard their latest yet so I can't talk about that one but I find Tonight's Decision to be very boring with just a few tracks that are worth it to call the album "good" but it's a very "meh" kind of good if you know what I mean. And yes... I find "The Great Cold Distance" to be better than TD
And I ALSO agree with what you wrote about the vocals. I absolutely LOVE Discouraged Ones, it's in my top 3 easily from their discography and I think the vocals were perfect there... So I don't understand why I think the vocals sucked in TD (although I do think they were good again in LFDGD.
I totaly understand wht you're talking about , it is "good" just because it is Katatonia I think a sort of fanboysim from our side
LFDGD has some of Katatonia's greatest songs but also has some strange not-so-good moments. and the thing that makes me say that Viva is their best work from the new era is that it had much of the old elements "in terms of song writing" plus the new elements making it a masterpiece.
@J.O.O.E : Agreed and Agreed |
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| With a few minor changes and rearrangements this would be my favorite Katatonia album -- and that is saying a lot! |
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 21.02.2011 at 15:49
Yeah I've listened to Tonight's Decision and Last Fair deal a lot over the years and I've never really been all that into them, they are quite clumsy in terms of songwriting and the Renkse's vocals are seriously undeveloped. Though I didn't like the last two albums very much for a long time I've learned to see that they're actually pretty good records and it may or may not be the result of studio tweaking and polish but the vocals are much improved.
Ok, Katatonia is responsible for writing "We Must Bury You," an obvious misstep in composing and an unfair test and failure of Jonas' vocal range. Other than that, Katatonia are without question among the premier songwriters in hard rock/metal. These guys find more talent and soul under their couches than 10 Children of Bodoms combined. |
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Written by saw_you_drown on 10.05.2011 at 02:35
Ok, Katatonia is responsible for writing "We Must Bury You," an obvious misstep in composing and an unfair test and failure of Jonas' vocal range. Other than that, Katatonia are without question among the premier songwriters in hard rock/metal. These guys find more talent and soul under their couches than 10 Children of Bodoms combined.
...That's not the most pertinent of examples though is it really? |
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 10.05.2011 at 02:56
Written by saw_you_drown on 10.05.2011 at 02:35
Ok, Katatonia is responsible for writing "We Must Bury You," an obvious misstep in composing and an unfair test and failure of Jonas' vocal range. Other than that, Katatonia are without question among the premier songwriters in hard rock/metal. These guys find more talent and soul under their couches than 10 Children of Bodoms combined.
...That's not the most pertinent of examples though is it really?
That was in fact the most pertinent example. You challenged both vocals and songwriting, and I searched my itunes (where i have every track they have ever released), and found exactly one example that supported your claim. |
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Written by saw_you_drown on 14.05.2011 at 10:12
...That's not the most pertinent of examples though is it really?
That was in fact the most pertinent example. You challenged both vocals and songwriting, and I searched my itunes (where i have every track they have ever released), and found exactly one example that supported your claim.
Regardless, CoB is an extremely random choice as they're nothing like Katatonia, even if you were just exercising hyperbole. I love Katatonia but I don't agree they're premier songwriters, almost all of their albums are prone to a number of weak filler tracks, they're far from infallible. I've learned to appreciate their past couple of records but that's mostly as an appreciation of their sound and improved vocal tone and performance, rather than songwriting. |
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BeastOfMetal456 - 29.07.2011 at 01:55
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| I'm surprised Criminals got no mention here... D: |
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Written by Guest on 29.07.2011 at 01:55
I'm surprised Criminals got no mention here... D:
Damn straight. Probably my fave Katatonia song. |
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Written by Guest on 29.07.2011 at 01:55
I'm surprised Criminals got no mention here... D:
Me too. IMO, only the first 3 songs + Evidence and Omerta are worth something on this album. The rest is a yawnfest. |
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| Criminals is indeed one of their bests ong. The chorus is so fucking catchy is ridiculous. |
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BeastOfMetal456 - 30.07.2011 at 01:40
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Written by Slayer666 on 29.07.2011 at 17:08
Written by Guest on 29.07.2011 at 01:55
I'm surprised Criminals got no mention here... D:
Me too. IMO, only the first 3 songs + Evidence and Omerta are worth something on this album. The rest is a yawnfest.
Haven't heard all of them really. Only Criminals. Probably my best song of the week. |
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