Rating:
5.7
Kataklysm - Heaven's Venom
13 August 2010


01. Soulless God
02. Determined (Vows Of Vengeance)
03. Faith Made Of Shrapnel
04. Push The Venom
05. Hail The Renegade
06. As The Walls Collapse
07. Numb And Intoxicated
08. At The Edge Of The World
09. Suicide River
10. Blind Savior


Death metal
Canada
Nuclear Blast

Line-up on the CD:
Maurizio Iacono - vocals
J-F Dagenais - guitars
Stephane Barbe - bass
Max Duhamel - drums


Commercial death metal is - in the eyes of this reviewer - a dead sound. It is far too safe and lacks the integral extremity that makes for something in the genre's style worth listening to in the first place. Kataklysm, one of the more notable Canadian death metal connoisseurs, have taken their Northern Hyperblast trademark sound and ventured into generic territory. So much so you can judge this accurately just by the cover art: yet another appearance by the infamous gargoyle. It will probably sound a lot like the other gargoyle-graced albums.

And it does. Heaven's Venom, essentially Prevail diluted and stripped of its guts, contains bass-laden primal death metal riffing (chug chug chug ad nauseam) with some really nice melodies interspersed throughout the album. The songs generally flow together evenly, and the drumming keeps a fast pace - though noticeably monotonous - along with Iacono's typical hoarse growls. While each piece more or less works on its own, the album as a whole lacks cohesion. Those nice melodies are better suited for a power metal album, and solos are few and far between - not to mention completely forgettable. The flow is basically a result of each song blending together before eventually fading out and concluding what could have been a much better album. It comes across as a piece of plastic rather than something meant to entice you into repeated listens.

Despite their foray into contemporary waters, Kataklysm's style is outdated and dull. The predictable song structures make for a rather boring listen, especially given the lack of overall innovation. Perhaps it should be expected after releasing "poor man's" versions of the same release for an entire decade, which could be overlooked if some experimentation took place. But it doesn't. If the band members thought to make a desperate grab for a female vocalist or a new instrument or something, this album would at least fall between the lines of "good" and "very good". However, it continues treading the same path of its predecessors, and rarely takes time to stop and smell the roses.

At the end of the day these guys can do just about whatever they want in regards to their sound and their releases. They have a large fan following (most of whom won't be disappointed with this album) and a big label to back them up. This is merely a release to please the fans of the current style, nothing more.

Performance: 8
Songwriting: 5
Originality: 5
Production: 7


Band profile: Kataklysm
Album: Heaven's Venom


 



Written on 12.03.2011 by
Troy Killjoy
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Kataklysm has been on the metal scene for a long time. Long enough to lose musical focus. Happily this is not the case as they have come back with one hell of a record. Heaven's Venom is the god forsaken love child of In The Arms Of Devastation and Serenity Of Fire. It's melodic and crushing to say the least.

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wormdrink414 - 12.03.2011 at 04:29  
"Despite their foray into contemporary waters, Kataklysm's style is outdated and dull. The predictable song structures make for a rather boring listen, especially given the lack of overall innovation."

Couldn't agree more. I was in some music shop in Portland the other day, and my buddy asked if he should get this or the new Dawn of Ashes album (which I gave a 5.5). I told him to get the new Dawn of Ashes album. This is definitely better than the Ex Deo album, though. God I hate that album.
Opethian - 12.03.2011 at 06:02  
Seriously? IMO this was a lot stronger then the bands last 2 record albums. It's all opinions
RavenKing - 12.03.2011 at 06:48  
"It comes across as a piece of plastic rather than something meant to entice you into repeated listens"

Isn't it the norm for today's Death Metal? A genre totally trapped in strict boundaries, unable to evolve, where nearly all bands are interchangeable.

I admit I've never really been a Death Metal fan, though there was a time I enjoyed early Death Metal and I enjoy Thrash/Death quite a bit. But I quickly moved towards new horizons when Brutal Death started to appear and DM became no more than a matter of being brutal for brutality's sake and pounding for pounding. But even then, the worst was still to come because it at least retained a raw sound.
What really put the nail in Death Metal's coffin is when it became so triggered and started sounding like tricked-in-studio plastic shit.

Imo, DM has no future (in terms of creativity), in the sense that it will never get better than it is now and will only repeat itself over and over, ad vitam eternam and ad nauseam.
Troy Killjoy - 12.03.2011 at 06:52  
Written by Opethian on 12.03.2011 at 06:02

Seriously? IMO this was a lot stronger then the bands last 2 record albums. It's all opinions

I think you're considered part of a large minority if that's your opinion.
Troy Killjoy - 12.03.2011 at 07:01  
Written by RavenKing on 12.03.2011 at 06:48

Isn't it the norm for today's Death Metal? A genre totally trapped in strict boundaries, unable to evolve, where nearly all bands are interchangeable.

Imo, DM has no future, in the sense that it will never get better than it is now and will only repeat itself over and over, ad vitam eternam and ad nauseam.

Hm. While I understand your reasons behind those statements, part of me still disagrees. While death metal itself as a parent genre does not necessarily have more to offer, it being paired with other parent genres (black, doom, progressive, thrash) and its child genres (brutal, melodic, etc.) gives it a fighting chance to keep up with the likes of more envelope-pushing bands like Portal, Hieronymus Bosch, Mitochondrion, Ulcerate, and Symbyosis.

Kataklysm altogether fails as a captivating band these days - as do many "regular" death metal outfits; I'll agree with you to a degree. But there are traditional death metal bands like Immolation, Dead Congregation, The Chasm, and Vader who all work with the genre's stronger aspects rather than watering themselves down like Dagenais and co.
BudDa - 12.03.2011 at 11:21  
"Commercial death metal is - in the eyes of this reviewer - a dead sound"...
Hahahaha..
After reading your review and when its put that way, then i do agree with you. But Troy, consider this too. Commercial death metal is - also catchy, which is not such a bad thing
Windrider - 12.03.2011 at 12:42  
What I do not understand is that you first complain that the music has become too commercial and melodies are even Power Metal like, but in the end you yearn for something like female vocals?? If that was not commercial and even less Death Metal like, what else?
The usual uncommercial Death Metal I know deals only with guitars, bass, drums and deeeep grunts... No Opera voices or Folk / Synth instruments as you maybe want them... Somehow a contradiction if I got you right?
silenius - 12.03.2011 at 15:41  
Written by BudDa on 12.03.2011 at 11:21

"Commercial death metal is - in the eyes of this reviewer - a dead sound"...
Hahahaha..
After reading your review and when its put that way, then i do agree with you. But Troy, consider this too. Commercial death metal is - also catchy, which is not such a bad thing


Catchy is worse than dead when it comes to extreme metal...
silenius - 12.03.2011 at 15:43  
Written by Windrider on 12.03.2011 at 12:42

What I do not understand is that you first complain that the music has become too commercial and melodies are even Power Metal like, but in the end you yearn for something like female vocals?? If that was not commercial and even less Death Metal like, what else?
The usual uncommercial Death Metal I know deals only with guitars, bass, drums and deeeep grunts... No Opera voices or Folk / Synth instruments as you maybe want them... Somehow a contradiction if I got you right?


Female vocals can be more extreme than for example using human spines as drumsticks and vomiting blood on youre grandpa, just listen to the band Battle of mice, most amazing female vocals ever recorded
RavenKing - 12.03.2011 at 16:49  
Written by silenius on 12.03.2011 at 15:41

Catchy is worse than dead when it comes to extreme metal...


I have to strongly disagree here. Imo, most Black Metal bands I'm listening to are very catchy in their own way.
Sure, it's not catchy in the Powermetal kind of way (cheesy, radio-friendly, easily accessible, pussified, commercial, etc) but for me it is more catchy (though in a raw and dark way) than Powermetal, which I find quite boring.

But I'm one of those who find Black Metal overall catchier and more epic than Powermetal. And I'm talking of Black Metal, not Death Metal. I imagine that catchiness can be considered more as a flaw than a quality in Death Metal. Personally, I don't see any catchiness whatsoever in Death Metal.
Windrider - 12.03.2011 at 17:49  
Written by silenius on 12.03.2011 at 15:43

Written by Windrider on 12.03.2011 at 12:42

What I do not understand is that you first complain that the music has become too commercial and melodies are even Power Metal like, but in the end you yearn for something like female vocals?? If that was not commercial and even less Death Metal like, what else?
The usual uncommercial Death Metal I know deals only with guitars, bass, drums and deeeep grunts... No Opera voices or Folk / Synth instruments as you maybe want them... Somehow a contradiction if I got you right?


Female vocals can be more extreme than for example using human spines as drumsticks and vomiting blood on youre grandpa, just listen to the band Battle of mice, most amazing female vocals ever recorded


I got your point, I also know extreme bands with female voices, but within the review it sounded like something which you can find in Nightwish, Eluveitie or the guest shit on the new Dimmu album!
Troy Killjoy - 12.03.2011 at 17:58  
Written by BudDa on 12.03.2011 at 11:21

"Commercial death metal is - in the eyes of this reviewer - a dead sound"...
Hahahaha..
After reading your review and when its put that way, then i do agree with you. But Troy, consider this too. Commercial death metal is - also catchy, which is not such a bad thing

Of course a catchy album isn't automatically a bad one - hell, some of my favorite death metal albums of all time are extremely catchy. Benighted's "Icon", Entombed's "Clandestine", Vital Remains' "Dechristianize", Bolt Thrower's "Those Once Loyal", etc.

Not to say I don't immediately dislike catchy or ... non-catchy death metal. It's just the specific sound on this album is way too "clean" for its own good.
Troy Killjoy - 12.03.2011 at 18:00  
Written by Windrider on 12.03.2011 at 12:42

What I do not understand is that you first complain that the music has become too commercial and melodies are even Power Metal like, but in the end you yearn for something like female vocals?? If that was not commercial and even less Death Metal like, what else?
The usual uncommercial Death Metal I know deals only with guitars, bass, drums and deeeep grunts... No Opera voices or Folk / Synth instruments as you maybe want them... Somehow a contradiction if I got you right?

Being that, in the first place, it is so commercial, I would have at least understood bringing in other elements that are seen by many extreme metal fans as being "commercial". Although, in this case, the female vocals or something else would have at least added something different to the album. It wasn't about the commercialism at that point, it was about creating a difference within the album because the whole thing just sounded like one long (boring) song. That kind of thing is meant for Sunn O))) or Khanate, not a death metal band.
Opethian - 12.03.2011 at 20:32  
Written by RavenKing on 12.03.2011 at 16:49

Written by silenius on 12.03.2011 at 15:41

Catchy is worse than dead when it comes to extreme metal...


I have to strongly disagree here. Imo, most Black Metal bands I'm listening to are very catchy in their own way.
Sure, it's not catchy in the Powermetal kind of way (cheesy, radio-friendly, easily accessible, pussified, commercial, etc) but for me it is more catchy (though in a raw and dark way) than Powermetal, which I find quite boring.

But I'm one of those who find Black Metal overall catchier and more epic than Powermetal. And I'm talking of Black Metal, not Death Metal. I imagine that catchiness can be considered more as a flaw than a quality in Death Metal. Personally, I don't see any catchiness whatsoever in Death Metal.


WIN!
silenius - 13.03.2011 at 02:21  
Written by RavenKing on 12.03.2011 at 16:49

Written by silenius on 12.03.2011 at 15:41

Catchy is worse than dead when it comes to extreme metal...


I have to strongly disagree here. Imo, most Black Metal bands I'm listening to are very catchy in their own way.
Sure, it's not catchy in the Powermetal kind of way (cheesy, radio-friendly, easily accessible, pussified, commercial, etc) but for me it is more catchy (though in a raw and dark way) than Powermetal, which I find quite boring.

But I'm one of those who find Black Metal overall catchier and more epic than Powermetal. And I'm talking of Black Metal, not Death Metal. I imagine that catchiness can be considered more as a flaw than a quality in Death Metal. Personally, I don't see any catchiness whatsoever in Death Metal.


if you find black metal catchy, i salute you and have the outmost respect for you, if i find a black metal band that is catchy, i call it pop
Troy Killjoy - 13.03.2011 at 02:38  
Written by silenius on 13.03.2011 at 02:21

if you find black metal catchy, i salute you and have the outmost respect for you, if i find a black metal band that is catchy, i call it pop

Ouch! It's on now!

I might be putting words in his mouth, but I think I speak for a lot of people when I say I honestly think early Darkthrone and similar raw/primitive black metal bands are incredibly catchy. "In the Shadow of the Horns" is one of the most catchy black metal songs I've ever heard.
silenius - 13.03.2011 at 02:48  
Written by Troy Killjoy on 13.03.2011 at 02:38

Written by silenius on 13.03.2011 at 02:21

if you find black metal catchy, i salute you and have the outmost respect for you, if i find a black metal band that is catchy, i call it pop

Ouch! It's on now!

I might be putting words in his mouth, but I think I speak for a lot of people when I say I honestly think early Darkthrone and similar raw/primitive black metal bands are incredibly catchy. "In the Shadow of the Horns" is one of the most catchy black metal songs I've ever heard.


catchy is not the word to decribe extreme metal at ALL; if you ask me, the word catchy just doesnt have anything to do with the genre. call it intriguing, mesmerizing or memorable, but catchy is not a word compatible with the music.
Troy Killjoy - 13.03.2011 at 03:07  
Written by silenius on 13.03.2011 at 02:48

catchy is not the word to decribe extreme metal at ALL; if you ask me, the word catchy just doesnt have anything to do with the genre. call it intriguing, mesmerizing or memorable, but catchy is not a word compatible with the music.

When I think catchy, I think something that has a "hook", something about the music that catches your attention and pulls you in. Different genres do it differently, but I wouldn't exclude extreme metal from the art of being catchy.

There are exceptions to both sides, non-metal, accessible metal, and extreme metal alike.

Just because, as a whole, an album may not be "catchy" to people who normally listen to pop or opera or whatever else, doesn't mean it isn't catchy to the people who regularly listen to extreme genres. I have elitist qualities when it comes to a lot of metal, but I don't think I can get on board with "catchy =/= extreme".
floc168 - 13.03.2011 at 03:25  
Great review. I've always had a bit of a soft spot for this band as Temple of Knowledge was my introduction to extreme metal when I was in highschool. But the band has become a bit stagnant; it feels like they've released the same album about 10 times now.
Troy Killjoy - 13.03.2011 at 03:28  
Written by floc168 on 13.03.2011 at 03:25

Great review. I've always had a bit of a soft spot for this band as Temple of Knowledge was my introduction to extreme metal when I was in highschool. But the band has become a bit stagnant; it feels like they've released the same album about 10 times now.

I admittedly have a soft spot for them as well. They're Canadian, they introduced me to one of my favorite genres, and they have released some pretty awesome material in the past. This isn't awesome though. This is just dull.
.Nemesis. - 13.03.2011 at 03:34  
Written by RavenKing on 12.03.2011 at 06:48

"It comes across as a piece of plastic rather than something meant to entice you into repeated listens"

Isn't it the norm for today's Death Metal? A genre totally trapped in strict boundaries, unable to evolve, where nearly all bands are interchangeable.

I admit I've never really been a Death Metal fan, though there was a time I enjoyed early Death Metal and I enjoy Thrash/Death quite a bit. But I quickly moved towards new horizons when Brutal Death started to appear and DM became no more than a matter of being brutal for brutality's sake and pounding for pounding. But even then, the worst was still to come because it at least retained a raw sound.
What really put the nail in Death Metal's coffin is when it became so triggered and started sounding like tricked-in-studio plastic shit.

Imo, DM has no future (in terms of creativity), in the sense that it will never get better than it is now and will only repeat itself over and over, ad vitam eternam and ad nauseam.


Really? Maybe you should listen to Melechesh.
MetalManic_Joel - 13.03.2011 at 03:48  
Interesting. Metal Underground staff voted this the best metal album of 2010.
Troy Killjoy - 13.03.2011 at 03:51  
Written by .Nemesis. on 13.03.2011 at 03:34

Really? Maybe you should listen to Melechesh.

Melechesh aren't death metal.
Troy Killjoy - 13.03.2011 at 03:53  
Written by MetalManic_Joel on 13.03.2011 at 03:48

Interesting. Metal Underground staff voted this the best metal album of 2010.

Do you have a link? Because I don't believe you.
.Nemesis. - 13.03.2011 at 05:21  
I know they aren't death metal. but they're close.
RavenKing - 13.03.2011 at 06:10  
Written by Troy Killjoy on 13.03.2011 at 03:07

Written by silenius on 13.03.2011 at 02:48

catchy is not the word to decribe extreme metal at ALL; if you ask me, the word catchy just doesnt have anything to do with the genre. call it intriguing, mesmerizing or memorable, but catchy is not a word compatible with the music.

When I think catchy, I think something that has a "hook", something about the music that catches your attention and pulls you in. Different genres do it differently, but I wouldn't exclude extreme metal from the art of being catchy.

There are exceptions to both sides, non-metal, accessible metal, and extreme metal alike.

Just because, as a whole, an album may not be "catchy" to people who normally listen to pop or opera or whatever else, doesn't mean it isn't catchy to the people who regularly listen to extreme genres. I have elitist qualities when it comes to a lot of metal, but I don't think I can get on board with "catchy =/= extreme".


You understand what I meant quite well.
Troy Killjoy - 13.03.2011 at 06:15  
Written by RavenKing on 13.03.2011 at 06:10

You understand what I meant quite well.

RavenKing - 13.03.2011 at 06:23  
Written by silenius on 13.03.2011 at 02:48

Written by Troy Killjoy on 13.03.2011 at 02:38

Written by silenius on 13.03.2011 at 02:21

if you find black metal catchy, i salute you and have the outmost respect for you, if i find a black metal band that is catchy, i call it pop

Ouch! It's on now!

I might be putting words in his mouth, but I think I speak for a lot of people when I say I honestly think early Darkthrone and similar raw/primitive black metal bands are incredibly catchy. "In the Shadow of the Horns" is one of the most catchy black metal songs I've ever heard.


catchy is not the word to decribe extreme metal at ALL; if you ask me, the word catchy just doesnt have anything to do with the genre. call it intriguing, mesmerizing or memorable, but catchy is not a word compatible with the music.


Problem here is some people (including you) have a narrow vision when it comes to catchiness. You probably think of catchiness in the way people usually refer to as 'catchy', instead of the way Troy Gallant and me try to describe.
I never intended catchiness as the typical cheesy stuff Powermetal fans refer to as catchy. There's a difference between catchy and pop-ish. I use the word catchy for music that has a hook, some entertaining effect.
I thought I was clear about it: I consider BM catchy in its own way. I don't consider bands like Hammerfall, Sabaton or Alestorm catchy. Only cheesy and boring as hell. And, of course, pop-ish.

I don't think catchy is something 'cast in stone' and the same for everyone. I think it can vary from one person to another and is taste-related. For me, lots of BM bands are catchy, while Powermetal is not catchy but only pop-ish.
Syk - 13.03.2011 at 08:14  
Written by RavenKing on 13.03.2011 at 06:23
I don't think catchy is something 'cast in stone' and the same for everyone. I think it can vary from one person to another and is taste-related. For me, lots of BM bands are catchy, while Powermetal is not catchy but only pop-ish.
(With reference to Hammerfall, Alestorm & your last sentence) For many these words will be synonymous... would throwing the word "formulaic" into the mix help clarify things? I guess I see modern Kata as formulaic, not catchy... but definitely leaning on the poppy side of DM. Maybe I'm just sick of hearing the similar sound for all these years...
MétalNoir - 13.03.2011 at 22:56  
Kat isn't brutal death. They've been playing melodeath for a couple years now, so quit comparing them with "true DM". As a melodeath band, they're catchy yet heavy, and that's what you're looking for when listening to this subgenre. Not the most original album of the year, but it features some of the band's best riffs ever, imo (ex. Suicide River).
MetalManic_Joel - 14.03.2011 at 01:22  
Written by Troy Killjoy on 13.03.2011 at 03:53

Written by MetalManic_Joel on 13.03.2011 at 03:48

Interesting. Metal Underground staff voted this the best metal album of 2010.

Do you have a link? Because I don't believe you.


MetalUnderground Best of 2010 http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=65557
Troy Killjoy - 14.03.2011 at 02:10  
Written by MetalManic_Joel on 14.03.2011 at 01:22

MetalUnderground Best of 2010 http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=65557

Just... Wow.
Troy Killjoy - 14.03.2011 at 02:15  
Written by MétalNoir on 13.03.2011 at 22:56

Kat isn't brutal death. They've been playing melodeath for a couple years now, so quit comparing them with "true DM". As a melodeath band, they're catchy yet heavy, and that's what you're looking for when listening to this subgenre. Not the most original album of the year, but it features some of the band's best riffs ever, imo (ex. Suicide River).

I know they aren't brutal death, and I think anyone who listens to them (or has listened to them) know they aren't brutal death. Hell, they haven't been "pure" death metal in nearly 10 years. They've added tons of melody to their sound since The Prophecy - the difference between that album and this, essentially, is the songwriting. Whereas The Prophecy's song structures were laid out more in "storytelling" form (as in the riffs grew together and generally worked from the foundation of the song to the end), this album just looks flat. The riffs stagnate and lead nowhere, the melodies are overused (or underused, depending on the song) and the production on the vocals leaves a lot to be desired.

I wasn't comparing them with true death metal bands, I was comparing them to themselves; old and modern, as well as judging the album on its own for what it's worth - which isn't a lot.
MetalManic_Joel - 14.03.2011 at 04:08  
Written by Troy Killjoy on 14.03.2011 at 02:10

Written by MetalManic_Joel on 14.03.2011 at 01:22

MetalUnderground Best of 2010 http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=65557

Just... Wow.


Just for the record, I too am not too wild about it
Marcel Hubregtse - 14.03.2011 at 08:18  
Written by Troy Killjoy on 14.03.2011 at 02:10

Written by MetalManic_Joel on 14.03.2011 at 01:22

MetalUnderground Best of 2010 http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=65557

Just... Wow.


Damn what a shit list. Als Dark Tranquillity and Iron Maiden in there. Must have stone deaf staff members.
Troy Killjoy - 14.03.2011 at 13:28  
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 14.03.2011 at 08:18

Damn what a shit list. Als Dark Tranquillity and Iron Maiden in there. Must have stone deaf staff members.

I was thinking the same thing. I feel like our users - let alone our Staff - have more taste.
Marcel Hubregtse - 14.03.2011 at 13:30  
Written by Troy Killjoy on 14.03.2011 at 13:28

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 14.03.2011 at 08:18

Damn what a shit list. Als Dark Tranquillity and Iron Maiden in there. Must have stone deaf staff members.

I was thinking the same thing. I feel like our users - let alone our Staff - have more taste.


Yep, although DT did win the best melodeath category here
bluegreengod - 14.03.2011 at 22:40  
I don't think Heaven's Venom is necessarily any better or worse than other kataklysm albums. The thing about Kataklysm is that the music doesn't really come alive on CD/MP3 whatever. These guys are a fucking beast live and I'm sure the HV stuff will sound pretty damn good in concert.
Troy Killjoy - 15.03.2011 at 01:32  
Written by Guest on 14.03.2011 at 22:40

I don't think Heaven's Venom is necessarily any better or worse than other kataklysm albums. The thing about Kataklysm is that the music doesn't really come alive on CD/MP3 whatever. These guys are a fucking beast live and I'm sure the HV stuff will sound pretty damn good in concert.

I have to disagree with the first part. In my opinion this is just a stripped down version of their previous records - as pointed out in the review, so there's no need to get into detail. The second part is easy enough to answer though - this is a review of their CD, as in their digital sound. If I were to review their material as heard in concert, I would have written a concert review and chances are, I'd probably agree with you. Live music is an entirely different thing for almost everyone. Not everyone sits in the crowd analyzing the chord progression or drum patterns - you just have a good time and listen to some good music.

Unfortunately for me, those rules don't apply to album reviews.
thewall30 - 15.03.2011 at 02:32  
I completely disagree with this review, this album fucking slays!
Horus - 16.03.2011 at 13:38  
Written by RavenKing on 12.03.2011 at 06:48

Imo, DM has no future (in terms of creativity), in the sense that it will never get better than it is now and will only repeat itself over and over, ad vitam eternam and ad nauseam.


Thats probably true, but bands like Obscura WILL invent something new IMO. Oh, and new Kataklysm is really really bad
Troy Killjoy - 16.03.2011 at 16:37  
Written by Horus on 16.03.2011 at 13:38

Written by RavenKing on 12.03.2011 at 06:48

Imo, DM has no future (in terms of creativity), in the sense that it will never get better than it is now and will only repeat itself over and over, ad vitam eternam and ad nauseam.


Thats probably true, but bands like Obscura WILL invent something new IMO. Oh, and new Kataklysm is really really bad

I think technical/progressive/whatever death metal always has room to grow, as it's a continuation of "regular" death metal. Death metal on its own is definitely running out of ideas, if not already having been run dry. I love death metal, I even listen to modern bands that play death metal and enjoy it, but if you take a step back and analyze the songwriting...there really isn't much left in the tank.
Hellhound - 11.04.2011 at 09:03  
While I didn't enjoy Heaven's Venom as much as previous Kataklysm albums, I can't help but feel the reviewer was a bit harsh in his judgement. However, I do agree that Kataklysm took a rather "boring" approach to Heaven's Venom that turned me off the album almost instantly. While it is entirely possible that I misunderstood the reviewer saying, "Despite their foray into contemporary waters, Kataklysm's style is outdated and dull. The predictable song structures make for a rather boring listen, especially given the lack of overall innovation," seems like a direct jab fraught with opinion and not fact. I can understand if the reviewer doesn't personally like the artist, but part of a journalist's integrity is remaining objective.
Syk - 14.04.2011 at 18:01  
Written by Hellhound on 11.04.2011 at 09:03
While I didn't enjoy Heaven's Venom as much as previous Kataklysm albums, I can't help but feel the reviewer was a bit harsh in his judgement. However, I do agree that Kataklysm took a rather "boring" approach to Heaven's Venom that turned me off the album almost instantly. While it is entirely possible that I misunderstood the reviewer saying, "Despite their foray into contemporary waters, Kataklysm's style is outdated and dull. The predictable song structures make for a rather boring listen, especially given the lack of overall innovation," seems like a direct jab fraught with opinion and not fact. I can understand if the reviewer doesn't personally like the artist, but part of a journalist's integrity is remaining objective.
I can't tell if you've heard all their albums from 2000-2004 (+ 98)... but my guess is that you haven't. Right? Kata are now probably even more predictable than Cannibal Corpse
Troy Killjoy - 15.04.2011 at 02:21  
Written by Hellhound on 11.04.2011 at 09:03

While it is entirely possible that I misunderstood the reviewer saying, "Despite their foray into contemporary waters, Kataklysm's style is outdated and dull. The predictable song structures make for a rather boring listen, especially given the lack of overall innovation," seems like a direct jab fraught with opinion and not fact. I can understand if the reviewer doesn't personally like the artist, but part of a journalist's integrity is remaining objective.

You didn't misunderstand anything. Almost all of my reviews contain statements that are my opinion and therefore not fact. I don't have "journalistic integrity" in this regard; if you want a review solely describing an album based on facts, don't bother reading my reviews. I incorporate fact and opinion, and that's the way I will continue to do it.
Hellhound - 15.04.2011 at 02:29  
Written by Troy Killjoy on 15.04.2011 at 02:21

Written by Hellhound on 11.04.2011 at 09:03

While it is entirely possible that I misunderstood the reviewer saying, "Despite their foray into contemporary waters, Kataklysm's style is outdated and dull. The predictable song structures make for a rather boring listen, especially given the lack of overall innovation," seems like a direct jab fraught with opinion and not fact. I can understand if the reviewer doesn't personally like the artist, but part of a journalist's integrity is remaining objective.

You didn't misunderstand anything. Almost all of my reviews contain statements that are my opinion and therefore not fact. I don't have "journalistic integrity" in this regard; if you want a review solely describing an album based on facts, don't bother reading my reviews. I incorporate fact and opinion, and that's the way I will continue to do it.


My apologies. I clearly did misunderstand. I was thinking these were fact based reviews rather than editorials. I didn't mean to get so preachy. My apologies.
Troy Killjoy - 15.04.2011 at 02:33  
Written by Hellhound on 15.04.2011 at 02:29

My apologies. I clearly did misunderstand. I was thinking these were fact based reviews rather than editorials. I didn't mean to get so preachy. My apologies.

If you want to think of them as editorials, that's your prerogative.
Hellhound - 15.04.2011 at 02:34  
Written by Syk on 14.04.2011 at 18:01

Written by Hellhound on 11.04.2011 at 09:03
While I didn't enjoy Heaven's Venom as much as previous Kataklysm albums, I can't help but feel the reviewer was a bit harsh in his judgement. However, I do agree that Kataklysm took a rather "boring" approach to Heaven's Venom that turned me off the album almost instantly. While it is entirely possible that I misunderstood the reviewer saying, "Despite their foray into contemporary waters, Kataklysm's style is outdated and dull. The predictable song structures make for a rather boring listen, especially given the lack of overall innovation," seems like a direct jab fraught with opinion and not fact. I can understand if the reviewer doesn't personally like the artist, but part of a journalist's integrity is remaining objective.
I can't tell if you've heard all their albums from 2000-2004 (+ 98)... but my guess is that you haven't. Right? Kata are now probably even more predictable than Cannibal Corpse


Nah, I heard em, and you are right. Kataklysm is extremely predictable. I don't mind it all that much though. When I feel like listening to Kataklysm I do. When I want a different sound I listen to something else. A band doesn't have to play six different styles to keep me entertained. As for the rest of that comment: I was merely taking offense at the reviewers apparent lack of actual facts to support his claims. I am a journalism student myself and it seemed like a gross case of using opinion as fact. He didn't take too kindly to it either.
BitterCOld - 15.04.2011 at 03:38  
Written by Hellhound on 15.04.2011 at 02:29

My apologies. I clearly did misunderstand. I was thinking these were fact based reviews rather than editorials. I didn't mean to get so preachy. My apologies.


i have a nice big long article on how strictly "objective" reviews are fucking useless that needs clean-up before i post it. this is yet another push to get me motivated to completing it.

limiting a review to what is "fact" destroys the entire purpose of the review. a good review should mix both some degree of "facts" coupled with great bits of opinion... sharing the experience the reviewer had listening to the album to others who might be interested in checking it out.

stripping it down to just "album contains X songs and lasts YY minutes. The guitars use distortion. The vocalist uses a clean voice. blah blah blah (QUANTIFIABLE FACTS DEVOID OF OPINION) words words words" renders it useless.

I really need to do an objective review. any time someone complains about opinions in reviews, just direct them to it.
!J.O.O.E.! - 15.04.2011 at 03:38  
Written by Hellhound on 15.04.2011 at 02:29

fact based reviews

You've piqued my curiosity. Please cite some examples of "fact-based" music reviews because I can't fathom how that would ever work.

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