Vektor - Outer Isolation review



Reviewer:
7.5

359 users:
8.49
Band: Vektor
Album: Outer Isolation
Release date: November 2011


01. Cosmic Cortex
02. Echoless Chamber
03. Dying World
04. Tetrastructural Minds
05. Venus Project
06. Dark Creations, Dead Creators
07. Fast Paced Society
08. Outer Isolation


Oh shit, the Killjoy is reviewing a thrash metal album. Brace yourselves.

ADD-friendly review: This is not the worst album of the revivalist thrash movement I've come across.

In spite of my pseudo-crusade against anything revivalist, I admittedly found Vektor's Outer Isolation to be a clear step above the rest. Now, I compared these guys to Toxik when I first listened to the over-hyped debut, Black Future. They immediately built success off that sound, a highly technical form of thrash metal that even drew some appreciation from the prog crowd. Yet, people kept telling me how much more they had in common with Voivod, so I took a break and caught up with those old school thrashers.

Basically, if you listened to these guys before listening to Voivod and you didn't know Voivod is to thrash what Black Sabbath is to old folk's home, you'd think Vektor were being ripped off. Then you throw in Destruction, Coroner, Watchtower... all bands clearly miles ahead of Vektor, but all awesome bands. Which makes this awesome.

A proper review should focus more on the music than this, no? Well it's hard to focus on what's being presented here because it's all been done before and so much better. Ignoring the '80s and taking this for what it is (a contemporary thrash release), it's pretty cool shit. It's aggressive/progressive balls-to-the-wall-wrecking-your-neck-punishment-for-decadence. The problem is there is absolutely no identity. Like so many revivalist bands, it just makes you want to listen to the masters that did it better more than 20 years ago.

These are undoubtedly incredibly talented musicians capable of pulling off some of the most technical thrashing you've heard in the last decade. They write their songs with direction and magnitude (oh yeah!), the lengthier tracks refusing to wander around aimlessly; the shrieking vocals are pitched to perfection, almost spine-chillingly so; and the overall power keeps the album flowing without the stripped down heavy/power influence so many thrash metal outfits seem to be falling victim to.

If you're too lazy to check out thrash metal's golden years, then Vektor will help you re-live the past. If you're the "I read the book before it was a movie" kind of person, there isn't anything special going on here.


Rating breakdown
Performance: 9
Songwriting: 8
Originality: 4
Production: 7


 



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04.12.2011 - 09:58
Mikyz
Written by Troy Killjoy on 04.12.2011 at 09:45

If I'm comparing them to the rest of the revivalist scene, I'd give them a much higher mark for originality since the rest of the bands seem content with paying homage to Metallica and the likes, whereas Vektor are one of the few (only?) bands reviving the likes of Toxik/Voivod/Watchtower/etc.

I still don't think they have their own identity as too many of their songs can be traced back to a particular band on a particular album. I'm all for "this has some hints of band x here and there" but not "wow, are you sure this isn't a previously unreleased track from band y" kind of unoriginality. Apparently it's just me, because the lot of users who have told me otherwise seem to think Vektor have some kind of niche in the market. I just can't seem to figure out what about their sound is in any way individualistic. Maybe it's because they rip off several bands instead of just one?


Yeah but I wouldn't go as far as saying they don't have an identity, because it's as if you're saying that if someone would make you listen to this album without telling you who the artist is you wouldn't be able to identify that it's Vektor which I think is just ridiculous. I disagree with people who say that they have their own niche, that's like saying Warning has its own niche because of Pat's vocals which isn't true. They're thrash and Warning is Epic Doom, but what I'm saying is that you can tell them apart from other bands, even if it's only the vocals for Vektor. (I'm saying in any way that they're on the same level )
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04.12.2011 - 10:04
Troy Killjoy
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Written by Mikyz on 04.12.2011 at 09:58
Yeah but I wouldn't go as far as saying they don't have an identity, because it's as if you're saying that if someone would make you listen to this album without telling you who the artist is you wouldn't be able to identify that it's Vektor which I think is just ridiculous. I disagree with people who say that they have their own niche, that's like saying Warning has its own niche because of Pat's vocals which isn't true. They're thrash and Warning is Epic Doom, but what I'm saying is that you can tell them apart from other bands, even if it's only the vocals for Vektor. (I'm saying in any way that they're on the same level )

I definitely understand what you're saying, and I actually pretty much agree. I mean, even some of my favorite bands are just more or less clones of bands from years prior. But I judge them the same as I judged this. I mean, the musicianship is stellar, the sound isn't stripped of its aggression like with most revivalist thrash, and the vocals are outstanding. That being said, like some of my favorite bands, the originality factor can't be ignored.

Maybe saying they don't have an identity was a bit extreme. I think they have an identity I suppose, in the sense that a clone has an identity.

Keep in mind this comes from someone who enjoys the "blackgaze" (still hate that term) movement where new bands rip each other off every day and it's growing increasingly difficult to tell bands apart, and I'm a huge old school black metal fan (meaning any contemporary black metal draws the same ire due to lack of originality). I can still be objective about those styles though, and here it's no different.
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04.12.2011 - 10:11
Mikyz
Written by Troy Killjoy on 04.12.2011 at 10:04

Maybe saying they don't have an identity was a bit extreme. I think they have an identity I suppose, in the sense that a clone has an identity.


That's what I mean. I don't have anything add.
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04.12.2011 - 11:48
Deadmeat
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 04.12.2011 at 03:36

Written by Troy Killjoy on 04.12.2011 at 02:55

Written by truenoacero on 04.12.2011 at 02:54
Vektor's debut album is not Black Future, it is Demolition.

Fail on my part - will fix accordingly. Thanks!


Nope you were right he is wrong Demolition is a demo not a debut full length album.

And apparently there was a demo before it and after Demolition.

the band considers it as a demo but in time it has been released as a full length (6 songs, 48' duration is not a demo).
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04.12.2011 - 11:56
Deadmeat
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 04.12.2011 at 09:16

And I said nice things. >>

at least stop saying that you said nice things about the band when the general feeling that the review creates is negative.
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04.12.2011 - 12:56
Angelic Storm
Melodious
Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 11:56
at least stop saying that you said nice things about the band when the general feeling that the review creates is negative.


I can see when viewed from a certain perspective, it does appear more negative than positive, but from my perspective, there's more positivity than negativity. The only real negative angle of the review, is that it's unoriginal. But lets' face it, if only original albums were of any worth and validity, 98% of what is released today would be classed as worthless rubbish. It could be argued I guess, that the review could seem a little harsh to some when it seems like the unoriginality aspect was focussed on so much, and perhaps it was a little, but it would also be a disservice if he failed to point it out. On the whole though, I personally found that the positive aspects he found about the album shone through the review more... but I guess it all depends on how you look at it. *shrugs*
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04.12.2011 - 13:13
Mr. Doctor
Skandino
Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 11:48
the band considers it as a demo but in time it has been released as a full length (6 songs, 48' duration is not a demo).


Nope dude... by that logic most grindcore bands never released an album if you just looked at it that way. Or most EPs by doom bands would be full lenghts.
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04.12.2011 - 13:30
Deadmeat
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Written by Mr. Doctor on 04.12.2011 at 13:13

Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 11:48
the band considers it as a demo but in time it has been released as a full length (6 songs, 48' duration is not a demo).


Nope dude... by that logic most grindcore bands never released an album if you just looked at it that way. Or most EPs by doom bands would be full lenghts.

i've contacted the band mate, what can you tell me about it?
they self-released it as a full length and when they changed line up and found a label they decided to call black future the first full length and rerecord the songs...
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04.12.2011 - 13:33
Deadmeat
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Written by Angelic Storm on 04.12.2011 at 12:56

Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 11:56
at least stop saying that you said nice things about the band when the general feeling that the review creates is negative.


The only real negative angle of the review, is that it's unoriginal. But lets' face it, if only original albums were of any worth and validity, 98% of what is released today would be classed as worthless rubbish.

yeah but the rating of 4 in originality would fit to it? is almost everything of the 98% you've mentioned so much more original than this? i guess not...
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04.12.2011 - 13:51
pisymbol
Nice review Troy. I have only one issue with it. If you can move the following paragraph:

"These are (Vektor is) undoubtedly incredibly talented musicians capable of pulling off some of the most technical thrashing you've heard in the last decade. They write their songs with direction and magnitude (oh yeah!), the lengthier tracks refusing to wander around aimlessly; the shrieking vocals are pitched to perfection, almost spine-chillingly so; and the overall power keeps the album flowing without the stripped down heavy/power influence so many thrash metal outfits seem to be falling victim to."

...to the front of the review, i.e. it would have been nice to hear the good first, then the bad. Not the other way around. As many people have pointed out, the review comes off negative and I agree.
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04.12.2011 - 13:54
Mr. Doctor
Skandino
Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 13:30
they self-released it as a full length and when they changed line up and found a label they decided to call black future the first full length and rerecord the songs...


It would be a similar case of Morbid Angel with Abominations of Desolation and as we all know, no one sees it as their debut album, not even the band does. If the band doesn't consider a certain material a demo, a full-lenght, an ep ,etc there's nothing to discuss about it. Seems a little vague but that's the way it works. For the Clandestine Cuts sometimes we get stuff that is like 35+ minutes that are considered EPs despite their lenght. It all comes down to the band in the end to what they consider full lenght or not.

Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 13:33
yeah but the rating of 4 in originality would fit to it? is almost everything of the 98% you've mentioned so much more original than this? i guess not...


MEH, the originality rating and the other three ratings below never describe the enjoyment the reviewer had with the album. Troy seemed to enjoy the album fairly well by the overall rating of 7,5 and the review itself. The album is just unoriginal and that's (thankfully) something that Troy wasn't blind enough to not see. Just because I love some albums doesn't mean I can't see how unoriginal, how sloppy the songwriting or performance can be at times.
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04.12.2011 - 14:00
Deadmeat
Necrobutcher
Written by Mr. Doctor on 04.12.2011 at 13:54

Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 13:30
they self-released it as a full length and when they changed line up and found a label they decided to call black future the first full length and rerecord the songs...


It would be a similar case of Morbid Angel with Abominations of Desolation and as we all know, no one sees it as their debut album, not even the band does. If the band doesn't consider a certain material a demo, a full-lenght, an ep ,etc there's nothing to discuss about it. Seems a little vague but that's the way it works. For the Clandestine Cuts sometimes we get stuff that is like 35+ minutes that are considered EPs despite their lenght. It all comes down to the band in the end to what they consider full lenght or not.

ok i know that if the band decides to call it "somewhat like a demo" (as they do) i have nothing more to add. i was just saying. about the morbid angel album i dont get it it was released in 1991 after blessed are the sick i think. where is the debut-ity on it?

edit: ok i accept that he thinks that it is sooooooo unoriginal. but i cannot accept that after giving to this album the rating of 4 to originality he says that in summary he said good words about the album.
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04.12.2011 - 14:03
Slayer666
Quote:

Oh shit, the Killjoy is reviewing a thrash metal album. Brace yourselves.


How in the... I don't even.....

Checked the album, and yeah, it's a whole league above most revivalist thrash nowadays. Still, unless you're an avid fan of the genre (which I'm not), it's nothing to get wet over.
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04.12.2011 - 14:04
Angelic Storm
Melodious
Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 13:33
yeah but the rating of 4 in originality would fit to it? is almost everything of the 98% you've mentioned so much more original than this? i guess not...


Well, if we're taking it that in this day and age, probably only 2% of metal albums would deserve a 9 or 10 for originality, then 4 certainly could seem a little harsh. But then bringing objectivity into play, I guess it could easily be a 4 or a 6 depending on how you view it. I guess what I'm saying is, I don't really think to give it a 4 is "wrong", but I could see how some might think that's overly harsh.
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04.12.2011 - 14:10
Deadmeat
Necrobutcher
Written by Angelic Storm on 04.12.2011 at 14:04

Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 13:33
yeah but the rating of 4 in originality would fit to it? is almost everything of the 98% you've mentioned so much more original than this? i guess not...


Well, if we're taking it that in this day and age, probably only 2% of metal albums would deserve a 9 or 10 for originality, then 4 certainly could seem a little harsh. But then bringing objectivity into play, I guess it could easily be a 4 or a 6 depending on how you view it. I guess what I'm saying is, I don't really think to give it a 4 is "wrong", but I could see how some might think that's overly harsh.

well i think this band took many of their influences and created something on their own. i am a fan of them and i can "recognize" their music from miles (meaning that they have an identity). imo an "8" in originality is very low for this band and especially for their demolition stuff which is extremely amazing (imo the best thrash metal moments of the last 20 years).
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04.12.2011 - 14:11
Mr. Doctor
Skandino
Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 14:00

about the morbid angel album i dont get it it was released in 1991 after blessed are the sick i think. where is the debut-ity on it?

edit: ok i accept that he thinks that it is sooooooo unoriginal. but i cannot accept that after giving to this album the rating of 4 to originality he says that in summary he said good words about the album.


Abominations of Desolation was recorded in 1986, 3 years before Altars of Madness.

About the second point... Why the hell not? You seem to have a problem with the fact that he gave it good words in the end and a 4 in originality as if those two things were related... THEY ARE NOT. Like I said before, you can perfctly enjoy an album and find their music pretty good and at the same time been realistic enough to admit the album is nothing original at all. I mean.. the latest death metala lbums are a perfect example. I enjoy most bands that make a Old school death metal album... Is it good? yeah, original? fuck no... But I enjoy it anyway.
With those albums I would not have a trouble of writing a review giving performance/songwriting/production a 8-9 and the originality a 5 becuse that's the way it is.
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04.12.2011 - 14:18
Marcel Hubregtse
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Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 11:48

the band considers it as a demo but in time it has been released as a full length (6 songs, 48' duration is not a demo).


it is a demo if the band considers it a demo, no matter how many songs are on it or how long the duration is and it's self released. Simple then it's a demo. They released it by themselves to score a record deal and it was very limited as well. All that screams demo.
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04.12.2011 - 14:33
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This album is really good.
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04.12.2011 - 14:46
Deadmeat
Necrobutcher
Written by Mr. Doctor on 04.12.2011 at 14:11

Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 14:00

about the morbid angel album i dont get it it was released in 1991 after blessed are the sick i think. where is the debut-ity on it?

edit: ok i accept that he thinks that it is sooooooo unoriginal. but i cannot accept that after giving to this album the rating of 4 to originality he says that in summary he said good words about the album.


Abominations of Desolation was recorded in 1986, 3 years before Altars of Madness.

About the second point... Why the hell not? You seem to have a problem with the fact that he gave it good words in the end and a 4 in originality as if those two things were related... THEY ARE NOT. Like I said before, you can perfctly enjoy an album and find their music pretty good and at the same time been realistic enough to admit the album is nothing original at all. I mean.. the latest death metala lbums are a perfect example. I enjoy most bands that make a Old school death metal album... Is it good? yeah, original? fuck no... But I enjoy it anyway.
With those albums I would not have a trouble of writing a review giving performance/songwriting/production a 8-9 and the originality a 5 becuse that's the way it is.

yeah but abominations hasn't been released till 1991. demolition has.but ok then, since for the band it is a demo.

also, i said that my problem except the "4" in originality is, that he says that he said good words but for me and other people as i see the summary is negative. i mean, the conclusion of the review.
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04.12.2011 - 15:04
Mr. Doctor
Skandino
Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 14:46
also, i said that my problem except the "4" in originality is, that he says that he said good words but for me and other people as i see the summary is negative. i mean, the conclusion of the review.


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These are undoubtedly incredibly talented musicians capable of pulling off some of the most technical thrashing you've heard in the last decade. They write their songs with direction and magnitude (oh yeah!), the lengthier tracks refusing to wander around aimlessly; the shrieking vocals are pitched to perfection, almost spine-chillingly so; and the overall power keeps the album flowing without the stripped down heavy/power influence so many thrash metal outfits seem to be falling victim to.

If you're too lazy to check out thrash metal's golden years, then Vektor will help you re-live the past. If you're the "I read the book before it was a movie" kind of person, there isn't anything special going on here.


The entire second-to-last paragraph that I quoted is 100% positive.
If you have a problem with the last paragraph. It's not even a harsh comment... It's just the way it is, reflecting the unoriginality of it but still saying that the album is good. You seem to overeact of the harsh-ness of it.
Also... I'm not seeing anyone whining about the review here except one person.
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04.12.2011 - 15:14
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St. Anger
At first I was like "this is gonna suck review"



But then, I enjoyed reading it.
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04.12.2011 - 15:30
Deadmeat
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Written by Mr. Doctor on 04.12.2011 at 15:04

Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 14:46
also, i said that my problem except the "4" in originality is, that he says that he said good words but for me and other people as i see the summary is negative. i mean, the conclusion of the review.


Quote:
These are undoubtedly incredibly talented musicians capable of pulling off some of the most technical thrashing you've heard in the last decade. They write their songs with direction and magnitude (oh yeah!), the lengthier tracks refusing to wander around aimlessly; the shrieking vocals are pitched to perfection, almost spine-chillingly so; and the overall power keeps the album flowing without the stripped down heavy/power influence so many thrash metal outfits seem to be falling victim to.

If you're too lazy to check out thrash metal's golden years, then Vektor will help you re-live the past. If you're the "I read the book before it was a movie" kind of person, there isn't anything special going on here.


The entire second-to-last paragraph that I quoted is 100% positive.
If you have a problem with the last paragraph. It's not even a harsh comment... It's just the way it is, reflecting the unoriginality of it but still saying that the album is good. You seem to overeact of the harsh-ness of it.
Also... I'm not seeing anyone whining about the review here except one person.

so 1/4 positive paragraphs and the review is positive? (not to mention the last non-positive phrase)
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04.12.2011 - 15:37
Mr. Doctor
Skandino
Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 15:30
(not to mention the last non-positive phrase)


You really don't get it, do you?
It's not positive or negative... It's just a fact, get it through your head man... the album is unoriginal but still with a great songwritting and performance and Troy knows that and that's what he wrote.
You give so much focus on the originality part of the review that is just comes off as a fanboy remark... Which probably it is as you are the only one whining... Couldn't expect anything less from the same person that made an argument for that Kreator album.

You are free to interpret the review however you like and even make your own review. There's really nothing more to add here as you just don't get how originality doesn't reflect the overall opinion of the album.
Dear lord the album got a 7,5... I can't even imagine who you would react to a 5.
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04.12.2011 - 15:45
Deadmeat
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Written by Mr. Doctor on 04.12.2011 at 15:37

Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 15:30
(not to mention the last non-positive phrase)


You really don't get it, do you?
It's not positive or negative... It's just a fact, get it through your head man... the album is unoriginal but still with a great songwritting and performance and Troy knows that and that's what he wrote.
You give so much focus on the originality part of the review that is just comes off as a fanboy remark... Which probably it is as you are the only one whining... Couldn't expect anything less from the same person that made an argument for that Kreator album.

You are free to interpret the review however you like and even make your own review. There's really nothing more to add here as you just don't get how originality doesn't reflect the overall opinion of the album.
Dear lord the album got a 7,5... I can't even imagine who you would react to a 5.

of course i am going to write review (unless someone does it first) at some time because this review isn't about the album but mainly about the band and i believe these guys deserve a criticism and some words about their new album.

on the other you've said i am not going to comment. i dont care about what you call original or not or your opinion on me. i have my opinion on you too, believe me. this review with 1/4 good paragraph is not positive. that's all i wanted to say.
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04.12.2011 - 18:46
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Written by Mr. Doctor on 04.12.2011 at 15:37

Dear lord the album got a 7,5... I can't even imagine who you would react to a 5.


this is metalstorm, where everything ever is a 9 and calling something merely halfway between good and very good is flat out insulting.
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04.12.2011 - 19:57
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Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 14:00
edit: ok i accept that he thinks that it is sooooooo unoriginal. but i cannot accept that after giving to this album the rating of 4 to originality he says that in summary he said good words about the album.

Something can still be a good album and not be the most original thing in the world.

For instance, there's a lot of black metal out there that doesnt exactly push the boundaries of the genre, and yet, is extremely solid material. And that, in essence is what Troy is saying with this review. Vektor's album is solid. Good material that's a cut above other revivalist stuff. But if you're a fan of the classics it's not something new in any way shape or form. He never says you can't like it or anything.

Edit: oh, and after re-reading the review again? There's really only one paragraph that could be construed as "negative" that I see. The rest is pretty much factually based on describing their sound.
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04.12.2011 - 20:15
Deadmeat
Necrobutcher
Written by Verdun_sc on 04.12.2011 at 19:57

Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 14:00
edit: ok i accept that he thinks that it is sooooooo unoriginal. but i cannot accept that after giving to this album the rating of 4 to originality he says that in summary he said good words about the album.

Something can still be a good album and not be the most original thing in the world.

For instance, there's a lot of black metal out there that doesnt exactly push the boundaries of the genre, and yet, is extremely solid material. And that, in essence is what Troy is saying with this review. Vektor's album is solid. Good material that's a cut above other revivalist stuff. But if you're a fan of the classics it's not something new in any way shape or form. He never says you can't like it or anything.

Edit: oh, and after re-reading the review again? There's really only one paragraph that could be construed as "negative" that I see. The rest is pretty much factually based on describing their sound.

if so, then let's take all the newer thrash metal bands and start to mention all their influences to see that every new band is a rip-off of older thrash metal bands. vektor has wrote some refreshing and generally great music the last years, they have their own sound they have great production and i cannot see why a review of 400-500 words should contain only 5 lines about the album.... also i wouldn't say so many things if troy said "i wrote a negative review, that's my opinion". but he stays on the rating (7,5 is supposed to be good, not average) and says "look i gave them a great rating and wrote good words" when the review has an ironic character and creates you MAINLY a bad opinion about the band (not only about the album).
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04.12.2011 - 21:21
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Written by pisymbol on 04.12.2011 at 13:51

...to the front of the review, i.e. it would have been nice to hear the good first, then the bad. Not the other way around. As many people have pointed out, the review comes off negative and I agree.

Yeah, i am second to that. It is clearly felt that the reviewer goes against the album and not really into it. And another think, againg, there is SOOO little about the music itself, that it's a copied reshufled average of three other old bands? That's really not an information one would like to get from staff review.
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04.12.2011 - 21:25
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Written by Deadmeat on 04.12.2011 at 20:15
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Hey guy, remember when Kreator didn't get nominated in the MS Awards?
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04.12.2011 - 21:32
Troy Killjoy
perfunctionist
Written by Angelic Storm on 04.12.2011 at 12:56
I can see when viewed from a certain perspective, it does appear more negative than positive, but from my perspective, there's more positivity than negativity.

Exactly, the fact that I focused on the lack of originality reflected how I felt when listening to the album. I wrote this review as I heard the album - it was like, I've heard this all before, but it's still some pretty solid thrash. And then it ended with ya, it's still not original but oh well, if you don't care for originality this is a good thrash album.

I'd say that's pretty positive - if the only real downfall is the lack of originality.
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Prettier than BloodTears.
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