Other opinions .... ?

Not sure about the ranking, but the albums looks like pretty accurate to me.

Yeah, that's a pretty cool list, but I think there is a bit too much Opeth , Megadeth's Cryptic Writings? Also why debuts by Acturus, Symphony X, and Nevermore? For Deep Purple I would choose Burn and Machine Head, but I have not listened to Perfect Strangers.

I'd say Diablo Swing Orchestra missing with their debut. A pretty important release for the modern scene if you ask me, but I see this list is focused more on the classics. Plus, death metal is almost not represented; neither is black, but that's your taste I see.

Nice to see Jason Becker, Psychotic Waltz, Coroner, Anacrusis, and Watchtower.

You make me ashamed of being a Bulgarian.

Actually, not too bad, and I'm pretty happy to see Opeth pushed deep back, but the ranking is questionable, yes.

Also you have Manowar in the top ten, thus losing all credibility.

Very good, but I don't see 'Falling Into Infinity' and 'Octavarium'

Where are Planet X ?

Written by Guest on 11.03.2012 at 10:05

Very good, but I don't see 'Falling Into Infinity' and 'Octavarium'

Where are Planet X ?

Octavarium - in my list Top 30 best albums ( 2000 - 20011 )
Planet X !!!? - this is jazz. Really heavy ... but jazz

Written by K✞ulu on 10.03.2012 at 23:30

... Megadeth's Cryptic Writings? Also why debuts by Acturus, Symphony X, and Nevermore? For Deep Purple I would choose Burn and Machine Head ...

I'd say Diablo Swing Orchestra missing with their debut. A pretty important release for the modern scene if you ask me ...

Thanks for opinion

Cryptic Writings : performance - full 10, songwriting - 9

'The Divine Wings Of Tragedy' isn't debut.

Machine Head and Burn - pure hard rock.

The Butcher's Ballroom ... very good and interesting album - perfect sound, good arrangements, amazing voice ... but too much MUSE (in the vocal lines) influences.

Written by Vasil de Shumen on 11.03.2012 at 12:05

Written by K✞ulu on 10.03.2012 at 23:30

... Megadeth's Cryptic Writings? Also why debuts by Arcturus, Symphony X, and Nevermore? For Deep Purple I would choose Burn and Machine Head ...

I'd say Diablo Swing Orchestra missing with their debut. A pretty important release for the modern scene if you ask me ...

Thanks for opinion

Cryptic Writings : performance - full 10, songwriting - 9

'The Divine Wings Of Tragedy' isn't debut.

Machine Head and Burn - pure hard rock.

The Butcher's Ballroom ... very good and interesting album - perfect sound, good arrangements, amazing voice ... but too much MUSE (in the vocal lines) influences.

Yeah, true, I should not really speak of Symphony X; I don't know them all that well. But Cryptic Writings... while it's not a bad album, I would not include it into any kind of TOP lists.

I think Machine Head and Burn are quite heavy. Don't know about how much more heavy metal the ones you picked are.

Written by Vasil de Shumen on 11.03.2012 at 10:44

Written by Guest on 11.03.2012 at 10:05

Very good, but I don't see 'Falling Into Infinity' and 'Octavarium'

Where are Planet X ?

Octavarium - in my list Top 30 best albums ( 2000 - 20011 )
Planet X !!!? - this is jazz. Really heavy ... but jazz

error this is prog metal

Written by Guest on 12.03.2012 at 11:36

Written by Vasil de Shumen on 11.03.2012 at 10:44

Written by Guest on 11.03.2012 at 10:05

Very good, but I don't see 'Falling Into Infinity' and 'Octavarium'

Where are Planet X ?

Octavarium - in my list Top 30 best albums ( 2000 - 20011 )
Planet X !!!? - this is jazz. Really heavy ... but jazz

error this is prog metal

Maybe heavy jazz fusion with strong metal influences ...

Hey, Sinergy's in there!

I don"t think Death"s last album deserves a place in the list, due to not being that original. It is the last Death album, nothing else
Seven Churches by Possessed would rather deserve a spot in the list
also, what does Metallica"s selftitled have to do in that list? it isn"t original and completely fails in the songwriting
you should have rather given a spot to Fear Factory (maybe Demanufacture) and Meshuggah (maybe Chaosphere)

Written by theFIST on 13.03.2012 at 22:38

I don"t think Death"s last album deserves a place in the list, due to not being that original. It is the last Death album, nothing else
Seven Churches by Possessed would rather deserve a spot in the list
also, what does Metallica"s selftitled have to do in that list? it isn"t original and completely fails in the songwriting
you should have rather given a spot to Fear Factory (maybe Demanufacture) and Meshuggah (maybe Chaosphere)

Actually you're right about Fear Factory.

But 'The Sound Of Perseverance' ... with so perfect performance, real inspiration, innovative arrangements. This is a very good album.

Written by Vasil de Shumen on 14.03.2012 at 00:00

Written by theFIST on 13.03.2012 at 22:38

I don"t think Death"s last album deserves a place in the list, due to not being that original. It is the last Death album, nothing else
Seven Churches by Possessed would rather deserve a spot in the list
also, what does Metallica"s selftitled have to do in that list? it isn"t original and completely fails in the songwriting
you should have rather given a spot to Fear Factory (maybe Demanufacture) and Meshuggah (maybe Chaosphere)

Actually you're right about Fear Factory.

But 'The Sound Of Perseverance' ... with so perfect performance, real inspiration, innovative arrangements. This is a very good album.

thank you
yes, it is well performed and well written, but it is simply another Death album. They are all good, that doesn"t make the last one special

Users,
Do you approve these ranking criteria (1. Historical Value; 2. Songwriting; 3. Performance; 4. Originality) ?

Written by Vasil de Shumen on 22.03.2012 at 17:08
Historical Value

Not a big fan of that to be honest.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 23.03.2012 at 02:17

Written by Vasil de Shumen on 22.03.2012 at 17:08
Historical Value

Not a big fan of that to be honest.

Why ?

Written by Vasil de Shumen on 23.03.2012 at 02:42
Why ?

Because usually it means you're giving points to something by virtue of it being released before something else.

I just think it's unfair to hold it against new bands for not being formed early enough (or in the case of the musicians, born early enough) to create what would later be described as revolutionary. If a new death metal band outperforms Autopsy/Morbid Angel/etc. then that album should be held above the "classics" because you think it's better for what it is.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 23.03.2012 at 02:51

Because usually it means you're giving points to something by virtue of it being released before something else.

I just think it's unfair to hold it against new bands for not being formed early enough (or in the case of the musicians, born early enough) to create what would later be described as revolutionary. If a new death metal band outperforms Autopsy/Morbid Angel/etc. then that album should be held above the "classics" because you think it's better for what it is.

The Old band's Art is primitive art, but of such a kind that it cannot be surpassed by any later art, precisely because it is not form but SPIRIT. As we find it hard to part from the first spring days and pass into the season of full unfolding and ripening, so we tear ourselves almost regretfully away from this 'primitive' art, with its buds full of the coming wealth of IDEAS and forms, in order to see what ultimately became of it. In art, as in everything else, is not all unfolding and ripening a kind of withering, since in the full bloom we no longer have truth and reality appealing to us with that mysterious directness that is more magically eloquent than even perfection itself ?

Written by Vasil de Shumen on 23.03.2012 at 03:55
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Again, in my opinion, the problem with that is that you're judging those in full bloom for being in full bloom. This is the same as saying old people are better than young people simply because they've been around longer. I prefer a meritocracy in life, and that's evidently not a mutual preference.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 23.03.2012 at 02:51

Written by Vasil de Shumen on 23.03.2012 at 02:42
Why ?

... If a new death metal band outperforms Autopsy/Morbid Angel/etc. then that album should be held above the "classics" because you think it's better for what it is.

The excessive use of digital technology destroys the music of many new bands. The recordings sound sterile and unnatural ...

Written by Vasil de Shumen on 24.03.2012 at 17:53
The excessive use of digital technology destroys the music of many new bands. The recordings sound sterile and unnatural ...

But what about a new band that has all the characteristics of an older band?

Written by Troy Killjoy on 25.03.2012 at 04:03

Written by Vasil de Shumen on 24.03.2012 at 17:53
The excessive use of digital technology destroys the music of many new bands. The recordings sound sterile and unnatural ...

But what about a new band that has all the characteristics of an older band?

There are very few such bands. Actually I like only Jon Oliva's Pain, Riverside, Augury and Sinergy.

If this were Top 250 , what would you add ...... ?

Written by Vasil de Shumen on 04.04.2012 at 21:43

If this were Top 250 , what would you add ...... ?

already gave suggestions of something to remove to make place, but also something to add
also think Ved Buens Ende needs a spot for basically playing the later Deathspell Omega or Virus style before either of those was formed

Written by theFIST on 05.04.2012 at 02:12

Written by Vasil de Shumen on 04.04.2012 at 21:43

If this were Top 250 , what would you add ...... ?

also think Ved Buens Ende needs a spot for basically playing the later Deathspell Omega or Virus style before either of those was formed

Thank you. 'Written In Waters' is a very interesting album . I would add it to the upcoming list - 'Avant-Garde Masterpieces'

Written by Vasil de Shumen on 05.04.2012 at 08:14

Written by theFIST on 05.04.2012 at 02:12

Written by Vasil de Shumen on 04.04.2012 at 21:43

If this were Top 250 , what would you add ...... ?

also think Ved Buens Ende needs a spot for basically playing the later Deathspell Omega or Virus style before either of those was formed

Thank you. 'Written In Waters' is a very interesting album . I would add it to the upcoming list - 'Avant-Garde Masterpieces'

for that list i"d also recommend you to add some Carnival in Coal, especially Sramik and Fear Not
An maybe Az I Dahak by Black Funeral also qualifies, but i"m not sure how avant garde it is

Written by theFIST on 05.04.2012 at 18:43

Written by Vasil de Shumen on 05.04.2012 at 08:14

Written by theFIST on 05.04.2012 at 02:12

Written by Vasil de Shumen on 04.04.2012 at 21:43

If this were Top 250 , what would you add ...... ?

also think Ved Buens Ende needs a spot for basically playing the later Deathspell Omega or Virus style before either of those was formed

Thank you. 'Written In Waters' is a very interesting album . I would add it to the upcoming list - 'Avant-Garde Masterpieces'

An maybe Az I Dahak by Black Funeral also qualifies, but i"m not sure how avant garde it is

This is ambient black metal ... but American. In my opinion, the genuine black metal is Scandinavian

Why do people have this preconception that American black metal is automatically inferior to European black metal ? It comes off as incredibly elitist.

Written by @gent_-_orange on 07.04.2012 at 13:38

Why do people have this preconception that American black metal is automatically inferior to European black metal ? It comes off as incredibly elitist.

The Old Scandinavian black metal is primitive music, but of such a kind that it cannot be surpassed by any foreign (American, French, Italian, ? ) black metal, precisely because it is not form but spirit - NORTHERN Spirit ?