Most Talented Vocalists In Metal


My other lists:
Tasty Stuff Not Currently Featured On MS
So I Heard You Like Opeth...

A concise list of my metalhead man-crushes (now featuring ladies.)

While there is little introduction required for some of these bands and their front(wo)men, there are no words that can accurately describe such jaw-dropping talent anyhow. The albums and youtube links listed are meant to display the full capacity of vocalists' talents, not the bands' most quality or popular tracks - click the links below and behold the prowess.

Many tears will be shed on your behalf if your favourite vocalist isn't here. That being said, any suggestions are more than welcome. A star (★) indicates that the vocalist is exceptionally versatile. If you believe that a certain vocalist deserves a (currently unaccredited) star, then post a few YouTube tracks to support your case.

Avoided criteria:
- Consistency with live performances
- Emotional delivery
- Ability to write aurally appealing vocal lines
- Ability to compliment the music

i.e. The style performances are judged solely on technical ability.

Here are the tracks I've allocated to the vocalists so far in the order of the list below. If you have suggestion which better showcases any vocalist's talents or if any of the link aren't working, please let me know.
Abstrakt Algebra - Mats Levén
Akercocke - Jason Mendonca #1 and #2
Amorphis - Tomi Joutsen
Anaal Nathrakh - David "V.I.T.R.I.O.L." Hunt
Animals As Leaders - Frans Aalto ★★★★★★★★★★★
Avatarium - Jennie-Ann Smith
Avenged Sevenfold - Matthew "M. Shadows" Sanders #1 and #2
Beyond The Bridge - Herbie Langhans
Caligula's Horse - Jim Grey
Candlemass - Johan Längqvist
Cattle Decapitation - Travis Ryan
Centiment - Dave McPherson #1, #2, and #3
Chrome Division - Pål "Athera" Mathisen
Communic - Oddleif Stensland
Dark Suns - Niko Knappe #1 and #2
Devin Townsend - Devin Townsend
Dissona - Dave Dubenic
Disturbed David Michael Draiman
Dream Theater - Kevin James LaBrie #1 and #2 (vocal range and impressive performances)
Emperor (Ihsahn) - Vegard Sverre "Ihsahn" Tveitan
Empyrios - Silvio Mancini
Estradasphere - Tim Smolens (57:33)
Evereve - Tom Sedotschenko
Evergrey - Tom S. Englund
Evile - Matthew "Matt" Drake
Exodus - Steve "Zetro" Souza
Favna Abisal - Melanocetus Jhonsoni
Feared - Mario Santos-Ramos
Gojira - Joseph "Joe" Duplantier
Gorefest - Jan-Chris de Koeijer #1 and #2
Grave Digger - Chris Boltendahl
Haken - Ross Jennings #1, #2, and #3
Hamferð - Jón Aldará #1 and #2
Heavatar - Stefan Schmidt
Hell - David Bower
Helloween - Andi Deris
HIM - Ville Hermanni Valo
Ice Age - Josh Pincus
ICS Vortex - Simen "ICS Vortex" Hestnæs
In Vain - Sindre Nedland #1 and #2
Iron Maiden - Paul Bruce Dickinson #1 and #2
King Crimson - Adrian Belew
King Diamond - Kim "King Diamond" Bendix Petersen
Lamb Of God - David Randall "Randy" Blythe
Leprous - Einar Solberg
Loch Vostok - Teddy "Dr. Ted Killer Miller" Möller #1 and #2
Machine Head - Robert "Robb" Flynn
Masterplan - Jørn Lande
Mayhem - Attila Gábor Csihar #1 and #2 (~4:10)
Moonspell - Fernando Ribeiro
Nevermore - Warrel Dane
Noekk - Thomas Helm
Omb - Davidavi Dolev Too much vocal variety - you'll just have to listen to the entire album. ★
Opeth (Bloodbath) - Mikael Åkerfeldt #1, #2, and #3
Overkill - Bobby "Blitz" Ellsworth
Pagan's Mind - Nils Kvåle Rue
Pain Of Salvation - Daniel Gildenlöw
Paradise Lost - Nick Holmes
Periphery - Spencer Sotelo
Pinkly Smooth - James "The Reverend Tholomew Plague" Sullivan
Primal Fear - Ralf Scheepers
Protest The Hero - Rody "Cheese" Walker
Psycroptic - Matthew "Chalky" Chalk
Rishloo - Andrew Mailloux
Riverside - Mariusz Duda
Savage Circus (Persuader/Dark Empire) - Jens Carlsson
Savatage - John Nicholas "Jon" Oliva
Scar Symmetry - Christian Älvestam
Shaolin Death Squad - Androo O'Hearn
Sieges Even - Greg Keller
Soldis - Del Tremens - tracks 1,4, 7
Space Odyssey - David Fremberg
Stravaganzza - Leo Jiménez
Sword - Rick Hughes
Symphony X - Russell Allen
System Of A Down - Serj Tankian #1 and #2
Tesseract - Daniel Tompkins #1 and #2
Tesseract - Ashe O'Hara
Testament - Chuck Billy
Textures - Daniel de Jongh
Textures - Eric Kalsbeek
The Foreshadowing - Marco Benevento
The Gathering - Anneke Van Giersbergen
The Mars Volta - Cedric Bixler-Zavala
Tool - Maynard James Keenan
Triptykon - Tom Gabriel "Warrior" Fischer #1 and #2
Twelve Foot Ninja - Nik "Kin" Etik
Twilight Of The Gods (Primordial/Dread Sovereign) - Alan "Nemtheanga" Averill
Uneven Structure - Matthieu Romarin
Unhuman - Youri Raymond (track 3)
Veni Domine - Fredrik Ohlsson
Vintersorg - Andreas "Vintersorg" Hedlund
Virgin Black - Rowan London #1, #2, and #3
Vulture Industries - Bjørnar Erevik Nilsen #1 (37:43) and #2 (43:30)
W.A.S.P. - Steven Edward "Blackie Lawless" Duren
Warning - Patrick Walker
Winds (Before The Dawn) - Lars "Eikind" Eric Si
Wintersun - Jari Mäenpää
Witherscape - Dan Swanö
Wolverine - Stefan Zell
Xanthochroid - Matthew Earl #1 (3:05) and #2 (sexy blonde dude)
Xanthochroid - Sam Meador

No working links or properly ascribed stars below this point. Please suggest song(s) for the vocalist(s) below if you have any insight into their best work.

Adagio - David Readman
Arcturus - Kristoffer "Garm" Rygg
Blind Guardian - Hansi Kürsch
Candlemass - Messiah Marcolin
Cradle Of Filth - Daniel Lloyd "Dani Filth" Davey
Demilich - Antti "C. Void" "Von Stroh" Boman
Diablo Swing Orchestra - Annlouice Loegdlund
Dio - Ronald James "Ronnie Dio" Padavona
Disillusion - Andy "Vurtox" Schmidt of Disillusion
Headspace - Damian Wilson
Iced Earth - Matthew "Matt" Barlow
Iced Earth - Stuart "Stu" Block
Iced Earth - Tim "Ripper" Owens
Judas Priest - Robert John Arthur "Rob" Halford
Madder Mortem - Agnete M. Kirkevaag
Pantera - Philip Hansen "Phil" Anselmo
Pharaoh - Tim Aymar
Retarded Noise Squad - Unknown vocalist
Scariot - Øyvind "Maztema" Hægeland
Sleepytime Gorilla Museum - Nils Frykdahl
Sodom - Tom "Angelripper" Such
Spires - Paul Sadler
Stolen Babies - Dominique Lenore Persi
The Wandering Midget - Samuel "Qraken" Wormius
Tomahawk (Mr. Bungle, Faith No More, Fantômas) - Michael Allan "Mike" Patton
Vangough - Clay Withrow
Vektor - David Disanto
Wastefall - Domenik Papaemmanouil

Pending considerations - please recommend songs for the vocalists below:
- Acid Witch - Lasse Pyykkö
- Anubis Gate - Jacob Hansen
- Artillery - Flemming Rönsdorf
- Atrox - Rune Folgerø
- Bathory - Tomas "Ace" "Quorthon" Forsberg
- Crimson Glory - John Patrick Jr. "Midnight" McDonald
- Darkwater -Henrik Båth
- Devil Doll - Mr. Doctor
- Fates Warning - Ray Alder
- Fates Warning John Arch
- Holy Moses - Sabina Classen
- Kamelot - Roy "Khan" Sætre Khantatat
- Lake of Tears - Daniel Brennare
- Marduk - Daniel "Mortuus" Rostén
- Mist Within - Alireza ''Safires'' Motevasel
- Mortillery - Cara McCutchen
- Novembers Doom - Paul Kuhr
- Queensrÿche - Geoff Tate
- Seventh Wonder - Tommy Karevik
- Skid Row - Sebastian "Bach" Philip Bierk
- While Heaven Wept - Rain Irving
- Within Temptation - Sharon den Adel
- Yearning - Juhani Palomäki

Created by: LeKiwi | 03.05.2013



1. Abstrakt Algebra - Abstrakt Algebra
1995 / Mats Levén
2. Adagio - Underworld
2003 / David Readman
3. Akercocke - Words That Go Unspoken, Deeds That Go Undone
2005 / Jason Mendonca
4. Amorphis - Silent Waters
2007 / Tomi Joutsen
5. Anaal Nathrakh - Vanitas
2012 / David "V.I.T.R.I.O.L." Hunt
6. Animals As Leaders - Weightless
2011 / Frans Aalto
7. Arcturus - The Sham Mirrors
2002 / Kristoffer "Garm" Rygg
8. Avatarium - Avatarium
2013 / Jennie-Ann Smith
9. Avenged Sevenfold - City Of Evil
2005 / Matthew "M. Shadows" Sanders
10. Beyond The Bridge - The Old Man And The Spirit
2012 / Herbie Langhans
11. Blind Guardian - At The Edge Of Time
2010 / Hansi Kürsch
12. Caligula's Horse - Moments From Ephemeral City
2011 / Jim Grey
13. Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
1986 / Johan Längqvist
14. Candlemass - Nightfall
1987 / Messiah Marcolin
15. Cattle Decapitation - Monolith Of Inhumanity
2012 / Travis Ryan
16. Centiment - Streets Of Rage
2014 / Dave McPherson
17. Chrome Division - 3rd Round Knockout
2011 / Pål "Athera" Mathisen
18. Communic - Waves Of Visual Decay
2006 / Oddleif Stensland
19. Cradle Of Filth - Dusk... And Her Embrace
1996 / Daniel Lloyd "Dani Filth" Davey
20. Dark Suns - Grave Human Genuine
2008 / Niko Knappe
21. Demilich - Nespithe
1993 / Antti "C. Void" "Von Stroh" Boman
22. Devin Townsend - Accelerated Evolution
2003 / Devin Townsend
23. Diablo Swing Orchestra - The Butcher's Ballroom
2006 / Annlouice Loegdlund
24. Dio - Holy Diver
1983 / Ronald James "Ronnie Dio" Padavona
25. Disillusion - Back To Times Of Splendor
2004 / Andy "Vurtox" Schmidt
26. Dissona - Dissona
2012 / Dave Dubenic
27. Disturbed - Asylum
2010 / David Michael Draiman
28. Dream Theater - Awake
1994 / Kevin James LaBrie
29. Emperor - Prometheus: The Discipline Of Fire And Demise
2001 / Vegard Sverre "Ihsahn" Tveitan
30. Empyrios - Zion
2013 / Silvio Mancini
31. Estradasphere - Quadropus
2003 / Tim Smolens
32. Evereve - Stormbirds
1998 / Tom Sedotschenko
33. Evergrey - Recreation Day
2003 / Tom S. Englund
34. Evile - Skull
2013 / Matthew "Matt" Drake
35. Exodus - Tempo Of The Damned
2004 / Steve "Zetro" Souza
36. Favna Abisal - Rerum Imaginaria
2012 / Melanocetus Jhonsoni
37. Feared - Vinter
2013 / Mario Santos-Ramos
38. Gojira - From Mars To Sirius
2005 / Joseph "Joe" Duplantier
39. Gorefest - Rise To Ruin
2007 / Jan-Chris de Koeijer
40. Grave Digger - The Grave Digger
2001 / Chris Boltendahl
41. Haken - The Mountain
2013 / Ross Jennings
42. Hamferð - Evst
2013 / Jón Aldará
43. Headspace - I Am Anonymous
2012 / Damian Wilson
44. Heavatar - Opus I - All My Kingdoms / Stefan Schmidt
45. Hell - Human Remains
2011 / David Bower
46. Helloween - Straight Out Of Hell
2013 / Andi Deris
47. HIM - Venus Doom
2007 / Ville Hermanni Valo
48. Ice Age - The Great Divide
1999 / Josh Pincus
49. Iced Earth - Dystopia
2011 / Stuart "Stu" Block
50. Iced Earth - The Crucible Of Man (Something Wicked - Part 2)
2008 / Matthew "Matt" Barlow
51. Iced Earth - The Glorious Burden
2004 / Tim "Ripper" Owens
52. ICS Vortex - Storm Seeker
2011 / Simen "ICS Vortex" Hestnæs
53. In Vain - Ænigma
2013 / Sindre Nedland
54. Iron Maiden - A Matter Of Life And Death
2006 / Paul Bruce Dickinson
55. Judas Priest - Angel Of Retribution
2005 / Robert John Arthur "Rob" Halford
56. King Crimson - EleKtrik: Live In Japan
2003 / Adrian Belew
57. King Diamond - "Them"
1988 / Kim "King Diamond" Bendix Petersen
58. Lamb Of God - Wrath
2009 / David Randall "Randy" Blythe
59. Leprous - Bilateral
2011 / Einar Solberg
60. Loch Vostok - V: The Doctrine Decoded
2012 / Teddy "Dr. Ted Killer Miller" Möller
61. Machine Head - The Blackening
2007 / Robert "Robb" Flynn
62. Madder Mortem - Eight Ways
2009 / Agnete M. Kirkevaag
63. Masterplan - Masterplan
2003 / Jørn Lande
64. Mayan - Quarterpast
2011 / Henning Basse
65. Mayhem - Ordo Ad Chao
2007 / Attila Gábor Csihar
66. Moonspell - Irreligious
1996 / Fernando Ribeiro
67. Nevermore - This Godless Endeavor
2005 / Warrel Dane
68. Noekk - The Water Sprite
2005 / Thomas Helm
69. Omb - SwineSong
2013 / Davidavi Dolev
70. Opeth - Watershed
2008 / Mikael Åkerfeldt
71. Overkill - The Electric Age
2012 / Bobby "Blitz" Ellsworth
72. Pagan's Mind - Heavenly Ecstasy
2011 / Nils Kvåle Rue
73. Pain Of Salvation - The Perfect Element, Part I
2000 / Daniel Gildenlöw
74. Pantera - Vulgar Display Of Power
1992 / Philip Hansen "Phil" Anselmo
75. Paradise Lost - Faith Divides Us - Death Unites Us
2009 / Nick Holmes
76. Periphery - Periphery II: This Time It's Personal
2012 / Spencer Sotelo
77. Pharaoh - Bury The Light
2012 / Tim Aymar
78. Pinkly Smooth - Unfortunate Snort
2002 / James "The Reverend Tholomew Plague" Sullivan
79. Primal Fear - Delivering The Black
2014 / Ralf Scheepers
80. Protest The Hero - Fortress
2008 / Rody "Cheese" Walker
81. Psycroptic - The Scepter Of The Ancients
2003 / Matthew "Chalky" Chalk
82. Retarded Noise Squad - Bananas
2011 / Unknown vocalist
83. Rishloo - Feathergun
2009 / Andrew Mailloux
84. Riverside - Out Of Myself
2003 / Mariusz Duda
85. Savage Circus - Of Doom And Death
2009 / Jens Carlsson
86. Savatage - Hall Of The Mountain King
1987 / John Nicholas "Jon" Oliva
87. Scar Symmetry - Pitch Black Progress
2006 / Christian Älvestam
88. Scariot - Momentum Shift
2007 / Øyvind "Maztema" Hægeland
89. Shaolin Death Squad - Intelligent Design
2006 / Androo O'Hearn
90. Sieges Even - Sophisticated
1995 / Greg Keller
91. Sleepytime Gorilla Museum - In Glorious Times
2007 / Nils Frykdahl
92. Sodom - Sodom
2006 / Tom "Angelripper" Such
93. Soldis - Age D
2013 / Del Tremens
94. Space Odyssey - The Astral Episode
2005 / David Fremberg
95. Spires - Spiral Of Ascension
2010 / Paul Sadler
96. Stolen Babies - There Be Squabbles Ahead
2006 / Dominique Lenore Persi
97. Stravaganzza - Raíces
2010 / Leo Jiménez
98. Sword - Sweet Dreams
1988 / Rick Hughes
99. Symphony X - The Odyssey
2002 / Russell Allen
100. System Of A Down - Toxicity
2001 / Serj Tankian
101. Tesseract - Altered State
2013 / Ashe O'Hara
102. Tesseract - Concealing Fate
2010 / Daniel Tompkins
103. Testament - The Formation Of Damnation
2008 / Chuck Billy
104. Textures - Dualism
2011 / Daniel de Jongh
105. Textures - Silhouettes
2008 / Eric Kalsbeek
106. The Foreshadowing - Days Of Nothing
2007 / Marco Benevento
107. The Gathering - Mandylion
1995 / Anneke Van Giersbergen
108. The Mars Volta - De-Loused In The Comatorium
2003 / Cedric Bixler-Zavala
109. The Wandering Midget - From The Meadows Of Opium Dreams
2012 / Samuel "Qraken" Wormius
110. Tomahawk - Oddfellows
2013 / Michael Allan "Mike" Patton
111. Tool - Lateralus
2001 / Maynard James Keenan
112. Triptykon - Eparistera Daimones
2010 / Tom Gabriel "Warrior" Fischer
113. Twelve Foot Ninja - Silent Machine
2012 / Nik "Kin" Etik
114. Twilight Of The Gods - Fire On The Mountain
2013 / Alan "Nemtheanga" Averill
115. Uneven Structure - Februus
2011 / Matthieu Romarin
116. Unhuman - Unhuman
2013 / Youri Raymond
117. Vangough - Between The Madness
2013 / Clay Withrow
118. Vektor - Outer Isolation
2011 / David Disanto
119. Veni Domine - Spiritual Wasteland
1998 / Fredrik Ohlsson
120. Vintersorg - Orkan
2012 / Andreas "Vintersorg" Hedlund
121. Virgin Black - Elegant...And Dying
2003 / Rowan London
122. Vulture Industries - The Tower
2013 / Bjørnar Erevik Nilsen
123. W.A.S.P. - The Crimson Idol
1992 / Steven Edward "Blackie Lawless" Duren
124. Warning - Watching From A Distance
2006 / Patrick Walker
125. Wastefall - Self Exile
2006 / Domenik Papaemmanouil
126. Winds - The Imaginary Direction Of Time
2004 / Lars "Eikind" Eric Si
127. Wintersun - Wintersun
2004 / Jari Mäenpää
128. Witherscape - The Inheritance
2013 / Dan Swanö
129. Wolverine - Communication Lost
2011 / Stefan Zell
130. Xanthochroid - Blessed He With Boils
2012 / Matthew Earl
131. Xanthochroid - Blessed He With Boils
2012 / Sam Meador



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06.10.2013 - 15:53
LeKiwi
High Fist Prog
Written by Angel N. on 06.10.2013 at 15:46

Written by LeKiwi on 06.10.2013 at 15:41

He has an incredible range, very resonant lows, shrieking highs, and to top it off he applies vocal fry in a subtle manner which is no easy task.


aha ! All of above applies to Sebastian too, I'm just saying

I recently heard a "vocal range" video based on his various performances and was impressed since he has some really nice lows which I didn't get to hear in your suggestions I think. That being said I've already started looking into his performance with bands other than Skid Row. Any other suggestions where he has all of those tones as stated above? You can re-suggest a track that you think I may have overlooked, which I may have
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06.10.2013 - 16:25
!J.O.O.E.!
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Written by LeKiwi on 06.10.2013 at 15:41

I don't believe I ever stated this was a concise list of the most talented vocalists in metal, read the description again It is a concise list of vocalists who I have had the opportunity to be exposed to and now admire for their talent, i.e. those vocalists who are unknown to me will not see their presence on this list until the circumstances change.


Well that IS what the title says. As per my other point your description does not match the title, nor does your description match some of the comments further on. You say a concise list of singers which you love in the opening sentence (unquestionably related to subjectivism), yet in the comments you have ascribed an objective overtone to what you consider yourself to be doing. As I say, a lack of consistency.

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Any user who challenges the inclusion of any vocalist on this list will receive the precise reason for that decision. In the future I hope to have each vocalist's talents highlighted in a short description. That should sate the belligerent portion of this community, including yourself

I doubt it will completely satiate people, especially if you continue with the "objective" trope, because there is no precedent for an objective viewpoint with regards to talent. Talent could take many forms and also vary from person to person. Some may hold delivery and emotion or ability to perform live etc as a talent over sheer technical range.

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Also please state how Johan isn't talented. Barring the time I was introduced to Johan's vocals, I don't even listen to Candlemass. However, in that short session I was able to determine that he is indeed talented. He has an incredible range, very resonant lows, shrieking highs, and to top it off he applies vocal fry in a subtle manner which is no easy task.


I didn't say he wasn't talented, but his range and delivery isn't as solid as Messiah's. Messiah is a technically better singer as he hits and holds notes better than Johan. However, one could say that Johan was more talented with regards to his emotional delivery. Naturally where the point of "what is talent" arises. I'm only going on what you believe to be "talent" in this regard. I wouldn't say one is more talented than the other because I don't think it can be quantified or subjected to an objective criteria.

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Also, I advise you to discontinue the claims of subjectivity. Objectivity: not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts. Neither of those statements are applicable. When I receive a request, I take it seriously and objectively. As I have stated before, there are vocalists here I dislike the style of (i.e. do not listen to the music because the vocals are off-putting) yet they are still on this list. Please, explain again how subjective this list is. The fact that the list is incomplete does not constitute as an argument for such an assertion

But, as I said, you have included vocalists which I don't regard as talented. I think you're confusing impartial with objective in this instance. You can impartially recognise that some vocalist have talent in some form because they relate to things that you personally appreciate, but you cannot unequivocally state that they objectively have talent. Appreciating and recognising a thing in something you don't like is still a form of subjectivism because it is drawn from your own personal view and is only anecdotal in nature. It is not proof of an objective fact. Ultimately you may consider yourself objective when it comes to your choices on this list, but you cannot say that they are objectively talented. That is the subtle implication you may wish to consider here. For this reason I will continue to ascribe subjective claims about this list.
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06.10.2013 - 17:54
LeKiwi
High Fist Prog
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 06.10.2013 at 16:25

Well that IS what the title says. As per my other point your description does not match the title, nor does your description match some of the comments further on. You say a concise list of singers which you love in the opening sentence (unquestionably related to subjectivism), yet in the comments you have ascribed an objective overtone to what you consider yourself to be doing. As I say, a lack of consistency.

Experience a "crush" is not love. In this case it refers to envy and admiration - those feeling resulting from their vocal prowess, i.e. talent. If I put a preliminary "Some" at the start of the title, I would not be receiving so many suggestions as avidly as I am now, would I. Renaming the list to "Some Of The Most Talented Vocalists Who I Have Had The Honour Of Discovering" isn't a very attractive title is it? The selection process is objective. There were no personal emotions or beliefs that influenced my decisions for this list. Simple as that
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I doubt it will completely satiate people, especially if you continue with the "objective" trope, because there is no precedent for an objective viewpoint with regards to talent. Talent could take many forms and also vary from person to person. Some may hold delivery and emotion or ability to perform live etc as a talent over sheer technical range.

Wholesomely, talent is subjective. However, upon considering a realistic goal for this list, certain subjective elements of "talent" had to be overlooked. For purposes of this list, talent refers to the aptitude for delivering a particular vocal style(s) in the studio. I.e. Ability to perform live, compliment the music, or write aurally appealing vocal lines are not part of the criteria for two reasons. Firstly, it would complicate this endeavor beyond the possibility for fulfillment and, secondly, the latter two criteria are purely subjective. I will clarify that in the description soon enough for those who lacking common sense.
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I didn't say he wasn't talented, but his range and delivery isn't as solid as Messiah's. Messiah is a technically better singer as he hits and holds notes better than Johan. However, one could say that Johan was more talented with regards to his emotional delivery. Naturally where the point of "what is talent" arises. I'm only going on what you believe to be "talent" in this regard. I wouldn't say one is more talented than the other because I don't think it can be quantified or subjective to an objective criteria.

I haven't heard much of Messiah's work, so I am unfamiliar with his capacity for talent. Additionally, bands with several line-up changes with regards to vocal duty do not entail a competition between members. As you can see, both of Textures vocalists are on this list despite the fact that the former singer was slightly more talented. Moreover, I never stated talent was quantifiable, as you insist above.
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But, as I said, you have included vocalists which I don't regard as talented. I think you're confusing impartial with objective in this instance. You can impartially recognise that some vocalist have talent in some form because they relate to things that you personally appreciate, but you cannot unequivocally state that they objectively have talent. Appreciating and recognising a thing in something you don't like is still a form of subjectivism because it is drawn from your own personal view and is only anecdotal in nature. It is not proof of an objective fact. For this reason I will continue to ascribe subjective claims about this list.

You have yet to state which vocalists here lack talent, empty claims or perhaps withheld in fear that such claims would easily be refuted. Impartial happens to be a synonymous for objective Unless you are referring to the other definition for objective which is factual, in which case I agree that this list is not, as a result of it being incomplete. I am unbiased to particular vocal styles so your claim that I grade their talent with respect to a particular set of vocal styles is false. In conclusion, talent, in its most objective form, is easily gauged relative to other vocalists. The fact remains, these vocalists can do what other vocalists cannot. That is a very simplistic (and objective) notion, leaving me baffled that you've yet to understand it
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06.10.2013 - 18:40
!J.O.O.E.!
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Written by LeKiwi on 06.10.2013 at 17:54

Experience a "crush" is not love. In this case it refers to envy and admiration - those feeling resulting from their vocal prowess, i.e. talent. If I put a preliminary "Some" at the start of the title, I would not be receiving so many suggestions as avidly as I am now, would I. Renaming the list to "Some Of The Most Talented Vocalists Who I Have Had The Honour Of Discovering" isn't a very attractive title is it? The selection process is objective. There were no personal emotions or beliefs that influenced my decisions for this list. Simple as that


Love/crush. Semantics. Let's not get bogged down by that. Ultimately you said to begin with that this was a list of bands that you held some personal enjoyment for and what YOU regard as "talent." You then say this was a list of bands which you "envy" and admire... yet the selection process was "objective" and involved no personal emotions? Now that's a muddled message right there. That suggests to me that what you admire is enough to be considered "objective." I'm sure this is not what you mean however, but this is another highlight in your inconsistent message throughout the list and the comments. How one reconciles an apparent emotional investment with a totally impartial investigation I do not know.

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Wholesomely, talent is subjective. However, upon considering a realistic goal for this list, certain subjective elements of "talent" had to be overlooked. For purposes of this list, talent refers to the aptitude for delivering a particular vocal style(s) in the studio. I.e. Ability to perform live, compliment the music, or write aurally appealing vocal lines are not part of the criteria for two reasons. Firstly, it would complicate this endeavor beyond the possibility for fulfillment and, secondly, the latter two criteria are purely subjective. I will clarify that in the description soon enough for those who lacking common sense.

You sound like you're becoming frustrated and defensive because people aren't understanding your PERSONALLY constructed structural framework within how YOU are judging this notion of objective talent. Forgive us, we are not mind readers. I personally can only go on the evidence presented i.e. a title that does reflect the content; a misleading synopsis and a seemingly increasingly irritable OP with vague ideals of objectiveness complete with edited and ignored elements with regard to the vocalist's abilities that are the so-called proof here. What you are referring to here is not "talent." It is a skewed, cut down look at technically ability. And further still, even this technical ability cannot be accurately gauged amongst such a diverse array of vocalists. "aptitude for delivering a particular vocal style(s) in the studio." Sorry, but what does that even mean? It is by no means an extensive and understandable description of talent in any regard. It is at best extremely vague sentence that means almost nothing at all, because the bits you have culled from it are not so readily removable. You are attempting to filter down a complicated formula into a basic point. The result of this is unquestionably not an objective point as it does not include all the elements involved, nor can it be readily identified, despite your self-assurance.

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I haven't heard much of Messiah's work, so I am unfamiliar with his capacity for talent. Additionally, bands with several line-up changes with regards to vocal duty do not entail a competition between members. As you can see, both of Textures vocalists are on this list despite the fact that the former singer was slightly more talented. Moreover, I never stated talent was quantifiable, as you insist above.

Then perhaps you should have said you hadn't heard him instead of trying to argue a point that didn't need really to be argued (or in this case, misconstruing my point). Nope, I didn't insist it can't be quantified, but really it can't, just like it can't be subjected to an objective framework either beyond one only useful for personal meaning. That's fine and cool, I'm down with that, but I take issue with anyone that claims such a list to be suitable for a broad use, which is the impression I'm getting from you. I was under this idea that this list is one of pure objectivity. Lists are pretty quantified entities, no? Hmm.

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You have yet to state which vocalists here lack talent, empty claims or perhaps withheld in fear that such claims would easily be refuted. Impartial happens to be a synonymous for objective Unless you are referring to the other definition for objective which is factual, in which case I agree that this list is not, as a result of it being incomplete. I am unbiased to particular vocal styles so your claim that I grade their talent with respect to a particular set of vocal styles is false. In conclusion, talent, in it's most objective form, is easily gauged relative to other vocalists. The fact remains, these vocalists can do what other vocalists cannot. That is a very simplistic (and objective) notion, leaving me baffled that you've yet to understand it


I've given you two examples in fact, each highlighting flaws here. The Uneven Structure vocalist, who to my mind is nothing special within the genre, and Candlemass' vocalist who is not as talented as another of the same band. I also find the inclusion of the vocalists of Psycroptic, Machine Head, Paradise Lost, Lamb of God and probably a few others to be generally not overly talented in their respective fields. They may have some talent in various forms, but not the most talented, and certainly not noteworthy. So, clearly, gauging vocalists with others in their field is not as easy a task as you attempt to allude, and by and away far from anything objective related. That is why you are baffled, because you fail to understand that others have different thought processes.

I cannot prove that these bands are any less talented than anyone else from their respective genres and, more to the point, neither can you so there's no fear in having my opinions refuted as I'm presenting them as opinions and nothing more. So for this reason I'm under no obligation to prove either way. No matter how objectively I believe I approach these opinions, do not an objective point make in such a situation such as a list like this. I cannot analyse them in an unconscious manner, I can only be impartial to the best of my ability, even though I know not everyone will agree. This applies to you as well.

Objective and impartial do have very similar meanings, but use of one in lieu of the other is very useful in differentiating between approaching something in a way that you personally believe is as objective as you can make it, (impartial) and presenting a list of bands that are infallibly objective in their make up, which this list is not as I do not agree with many of them, and am well within my right to say so because nothing here is tied down to any strict set of rules, only your own mostly conscious ones. You are still bound by certain personal tastes that influence this list (despite your attempt to deny it by saying you are unbiased to certain styles and sounds. You are. Believe it).

Also, the fact you think this list is not "objectively factual" because it is "incomplete" is what I mean by showy arrogance. I can tell you now this list will never be complete until the moment people agree with it on a mass scale with reasoned proof beyond anything you have presented here. Which, of course, can never happen.
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06.10.2013 - 21:30
LeKiwi
High Fist Prog
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 06.10.2013 at 18:40

Love/crush. Semantics. Let's not get bogged down by that. Ultimately you said to begin with that this was a list of bands that you held some personal enjoyment for and what YOU regard as "talent." You then say this was a list of bands which you "envy" and admire... yet the selection process was "objective" and involved no personal emotions? Now that's a muddled message right there. That suggests to me that what you admire is enough to be considered "objective." I'm sure this is not what you mean however, but this is another highlight in your inconsistent message throughout the list and the comments. How one reconciles an apparent emotional investment with a totally impartial investigation I do not know.

While you are correct that I have an emotional attachment towards the vocalists on this list, I never stated that those emotions preceded or were involved with the judgement. They are a derivative of the fact that the vocalists are talent. Misguided assumptions once again
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You sound like you're becoming frustrated and defensive because people aren't understanding your PERSONALLY constructed structural framework within how YOU are judging this notion of objective talent. Forgive us, we are not mind readers. I personally can only go on the evidence presented i.e. a title that does reflect the content; a misleading synopsis and a seemingly increasingly irritable OP with vague ideals of objectiveness complete with edited and ignored elements with regard to the vocalist's abilities that are the so-called proof here. What you are referring to here is not "talent." It is a skewed, cut down look at technically ability. And further still, even this technical ability cannot be accurately gauged amongst such a diverse array of vocalists. You are attempting to filter down a complicated formula into a basic point. The result of this is unquestionably not an objective point as it does not include all the elements involved, nor can it be readily identified, despite your self-assurance.

Frustrated and defensive - how oddly familiar. I'm sure you would agree I am a logical person, and as a result, so is this list. I made the assumption that any possessing an inkling of common sense would see that the infeasibility of list had the term talent referred to or included its subjective constituents. In that respect, I was wrong and have now clarified this fact for the masses. Talent has multiple definitions, or aspects if you like. That is precisely why I used the term. It is a broad reference to skill, whether innate or acquired. Technical ability is dependent on talent, and can be easily gauged. Resonance, grit, range, power, variety - these are all words which can be used to gauge talent. Talent can be estimated in its objective form and doesn't require a complicated formula, as you might suggest. Determining whether a vocalist is talented- as defined above - is simplistic as yes and no. Does this vocalist excel in this particular vocal style? Yes or no. Not maybe. If I had to consider talent with all the "avoided criteria" written above, this thread would be all the more cacophonic. "Their live performances are weak. They sing without passion. They don't fit the music. They stick to one key. Remove that vocalist!" In the framework I have provided, claims to talent cannot be argued easily, if at all. Also please clarify what you mean by OP, you lost me there.
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Then perhaps you should have said you hadn't heard him instead of trying to argue a point that didn't need really to be argued (or in this case, misconstruing my point). Nope, I didn't insist it can't be quantified, just like it can't be subjected to an objective framework either beyond one only useful for personal meaning. That's fine and cool, I'm down with that, but I take issue with anyone that claims such a list to be suitable for a broad use, which is the impression I'm getting from you. I was under this idea that list is one of pure objectivity. Lists are pretty quantified entities, no? Hmm.

Read your quote above. I did not misconstrue your point as you were suggesting that there arises a difficulty in assigning more talent to either Candlemass vocalist when in fact there are two issues with that. Foremost a certain level of talent qualifies the vocalist for inclusion; there are vocalists here who are more talented than others. Moreover, talent can be possessed in different vocal areas. You did insist it can't be quantified, read above. I have described what talent is - as relevant to this list - and how it can be gauged against a benchmark, actually read my posts instead of glancing over them in scorn. Simply because this list has numbers doesn't make the entries quantifiable by any practical measurement. The list is open ended, as you must well understand. That and the fact that talent has no specific value.
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I've given you two examples in fact, each highlighting flaws here. The Uneven Structure vocalist, who to my mind is nothing special within the genre, and Candlemass' vocalist who is not as talented as another of the same band. I also find the inclusion of the vocalists of Psycroptic, Machine Head, Paradise Lost, Lamb of God and probably a few others to be generally not overly talented in their respective fields. They may have some talent in various forms, but not the most talented, and certainly not noteworthy. So, clearly, gauging vocalists with others in their field is not as easy a task as you attempt to allude, and by and away far from anything objective related. That is why you are baffled, because you fail to understand that others have different thought processes.

I cannot prove that these bands are any less talented than anyone else from their respective genres and, more to the point, neither can you so there's no fear in having my opinions refuted as I'm presenting them as opinions and nothing more. So for this reason I'm under no obligation to prove either way. No matter how objectively I believe I approach these opinions, do not an objective point make in such a situation such as a list like this. I cannot analyse them in an unconscious manner, I can only be impartial to the best of my ability, even though I know not everyone will agree. This applies to you as well.


Were it easy to compete with these vocalists' excellence, everyone would be doing it. That is the premise, behind talent, everyone wants it. Without a vocalist who surpasses the ones you have discredited, your claims are empty. Show me a better vocalist and he/she will oust the ones you have mentioned. Additionally, unless you are a vocalist, it is unlikely that you possess the insight required to make a list like this. I can gauge which styles are hard to perform because I, among other vocalists I have spoken to, have attempted them.

It's as simple as this. You examine a particular vocal style. The contestants are compared and there is always a clear winner. Runner-ups may also qualify, don't misunderstand me. It's really not that difficult. For instance: clean singers. Things to consider: resonance, range, control. There are always criteria. I can easily provide vocalists who are less talented. Name the style or vocalist and it's done. Your sentence on objective points is incomprehensible; please restate it.

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Objective and impartial do have very similar meanings, but use of one in lieu of the other is very useful in differentiating between approaching something in a way that you personally believe is as objective as you can make it, (impartial) and presenting a list of bands that are infallibly objective in their make up, which this list is not as I do not agree with many of them, and am well within my right to say so because nothing here is tied down to any strict set of rules, only your own mostly conscious ones. You are still bound by certain personal tastes that influence this list (despite your attempt to deny it by saying you are unbiased to certain styles and sounds. You are. Believe it).


You have lost coherence in this last paragraph, but I believe you are essentially suggesting that simply because you refute the objectivity of this list, it is subjective. Your ignorance doesn't change facts Bizarre! You seem to understand me more than I do myself! My emotions have had no effect on this list what so ever barring the scope of the list upon its conception. Over time, the trend will no longer veer towards progressive metal vocalists, but vocalists in general. Please, save yourself the embarrassment and do not claim to understand my thought process.

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Also, the fact you think this list is not "objectively factual" because it is "incomplete" is what I mean by showy arrogance. I can tell you now this list will never be complete until the moment people agree with it on a mass scale with reasoned proof beyond anything you have presented here. Which, of course, can never happen.

Reasoned proof will arrive shortly, fear not Well done, you have resorted to insults to win arguments, how mature. This list will never be complete, you are right. However when did I ever state it would be Also, while it does not affect the objectivity of this list, it seems more people agree with me that disagree. Simply because you insist on having an entire page of arguments does not constitute as MS's entire population, as I have stated before
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06.10.2013 - 21:47
LeKiwi
High Fist Prog
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 06.10.2013 at 18:40


In case you see my reply before my PM, I suggest that we take this conversation privately. No one but you and me seem to be having an on-going argument. For the sake of respect, please discontinue flooding the page. If we privately come to the conclusion that you were correct all along, then can brandish your victory for all I care.
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06.10.2013 - 22:59
!J.O.O.E.!
Defunct
I wasn't trying a score a +1 in my favour, and I was quite happy to carry this on because I genuinely wanted you see some kind of reason, but we appear to have hit the crux of your unwillingness to see another side of things: I'm (and therefore the majority of Metal Storm in actuality) are apparently "ignorant" and unable to understand your list and its workings. Primarily, it seems, because I'm not a vocalist. I suppose 99% of reviewers shouldn't be reviewing as they usually have no musical background. I can now understand why you are so assertive about how to approach the concept of "talent" and I see there was really no chance of you ever seeing another side to it.

I don't wish to be tarnished as someone who supposedly insults the other person as you have ascribed for "victory" (I don't think I did, but your responses have more than confirmed my allegations of arrogance, ten-fold) so I will of course stop my "disrespectful" "flooding" of your list, not least because you seem to have become slightly aggressive in how you are attempting to paint me as someone who is more concerned with attacking you personally, rather than someone trying to give a reasoned discussion about your omnipotent, and apparently fact-based opinions.

I am however quite glad to see you have revealed yourself in earnest, that you've essentially admitted in few uncertain terms that this is based in "fact" or that at least your opinions carry more weight than the plebs around you. It's an interesting insight
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06.10.2013 - 23:24
LeKiwi
High Fist Prog
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 06.10.2013 at 22:59

I wasn't trying a score a +1 in my favour, and I was quite happy to carry this on because I genuinely wanted you see some kind of reason, but we appear to have hit the crux of your unwillingness to see another side of things: I'm (and therefore the majority of Metal Storm an actuality) are apparently "ignorant" and unable to understand your list and its workings. Primarily, it seems, because I'm not a vocalist. I suppose 99% of reviewers shouldn't be reviewing as they usually have no musical background. I can now understand why you are so assertive about how to approach the concept of "talent" and I see there was really no chance of you ever seeing another side to it.

I don't wish to be tarnished as someone who supposedly insults the other person as you have ascribed (I don't think I did, but your responses have more than confirmed my allegations of arrogance, ten-fold) so I will of course stop my "disrespectful" "flooding" of your list, not least because you seem to have become slightly aggressive in the how you are attempting to paint me as someone who is more concerned with attacking you personally, rather than someone trying to give a reasoned discussion about your omnipotent, and apparently fact-based opinions.

I am however quite glad to see you have revealed yourself in earnest, that you've admitted in few uncertain terms that this is based in "fact" or that at least your opinions carry more weight than the plebs around you. It's an interesting insight

You have once again resorted to veiled insults, this time because it appears you have accepted the notion of defeat. Me arrogant? How about you claiming to represent the views of the majority of MS. You are one person. I've only had such arguments with five people including yourself. Reviews are purely subjective and, thus, unrelated. What would be the point in reviewing an album on the grounds of musicality when more simplistic terms would serve the majority of the readers? The same, however, cannot be said of this list since the premise was to introduce talented vocalists to anyone interested, and that requires a methodical, technical basis.

I don't think you have the right to ascribe aggression to my persona, considering your condescending retorts and your style of capitalised words as if the sentence wasn't clear enough as it was without the frustrated intonations. Don't bother feigning otherwise. You have displayed a considerable amount of arrogance and mockery in your responses but at least I had the maturity to leave negative emotions out of the discussion.

At this point, everything pertaining to talent on this list has been carefully detailed in my comments to avoid confusion. Were what I said been flawed it would have been unequivocally refuted at this point, which it has not. Continue the discussion if you like, however I'd prefer to keep it private such that your mannerism of superiority be left out of the discussion.
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06.10.2013 - 23:28
!J.O.O.E.!
Defunct
I thought we agreed to end this? In any light I'm unfit to comment further according your estimation. It's probably for the best anyway considering how this has degenerated.
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06.10.2013 - 23:30
LeKiwi
High Fist Prog
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 06.10.2013 at 23:28

I thought we agreed to end this? In any light I'm unfit to comment further according your estimation. It's probably for the best anyway considering how this has degenerated.

I meant it when I offered to continue this discussion privately. It's completely up to you, I have nothing to withhold
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06.10.2013 - 23:32
DrM
DreaMutilated
Nice list!
Here's a suggestion - Tommy Karevik (Seventh Wonder / Kamelot).
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06.10.2013 - 23:35
!J.O.O.E.!
Defunct
Written by LeKiwi on 06.10.2013 at 23:30

I meant it when I offered to continue this discussion privately. It's completely up to you, I have nothing to withhold

As I have said, it's now clearly a waste of time and effort. You've already established that my thoughts and opinions on the matter are not suitable due to you being a vocalist and such insights would merely be shouldered off as "ignorant", so it would effectively be a one-sided discussion I'm good, thanks.
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06.10.2013 - 23:36
LeKiwi
High Fist Prog
Written by DrM on 06.10.2013 at 23:32

Nice list!
Here's a suggestion - Tommy Karevik (Seventh Wonder / Kamelot).


Thanks for the suggestion What do you think of Kamelot's vocalist who preceded Tommy?
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06.10.2013 - 23:42
LeKiwi
High Fist Prog
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 06.10.2013 at 23:35

As I have said, it's now clearly a waste of time and effort. You've already established that my thoughts and opinions on the matter are not suitable due to you being a vocalist and such insights would merely be shouldered off as "ignorant", so it would effectively be a one-sided discussion I'm good, thanks.

Insights simply offer an increased awareness to detail. I never suggested that being a vocalist entitled anyone to a superior opinion. I merely stated that the related insight makes this list far from arduous. Also, I said it is unlikely that you possess such insight, not impossible
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07.10.2013 - 08:09
DrM
DreaMutilated
Written by LeKiwi on 06.10.2013 at 23:36

Written by DrM on 06.10.2013 at 23:32

Nice list!
Here's a suggestion - Tommy Karevik (Seventh Wonder / Kamelot).


Thanks for the suggestion What do you think of Kamelot's vocalist who preceded Tommy?

Khan's voice is very unique, he's what drew me to listen to Kamelot to begin with.
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07.10.2013 - 14:08
Risto
Wandering Midget
Erm...



Matthew Barlow
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07.10.2013 - 20:29
Carrion Misery
Great list. Definitely good talent you listed here. Devin Townsend, Maynard, Tom Englund. Three of my favorites of all time. I'll always think Rob Halford > Dickinson.

I don't feel Blythe or Anselmo are that "talented". I believe their fans more or less relate to the attitude of their vocal style rather than stand in awe at their vocal abilities. Plus there are so many local bands here who are LoG 2.0 that can imitate his vocals. Any vocalist sporting that whole jerk "tough guy" facade pretty much forfeits right away in my book.

Here are my favorite singers with some suggestions thrown in:

Anubis Gate - Jacob Hansen
Ronny James Dio
Darkwater - Henrik Båth
Kamelot - Roy Khan (Tommy is very good too)
My Dying Bride - Aaron Stainthorpe - I'll probably always list him--so what? He has a lot of variety and dynamics with amazing execution through out their albums.
Pyramaze - Lance King
Virgin Black - Rowan London - Leaning toward this guy being the favorite in my list. Range, delivery, variety, emotive output, clarity, diction, control are all A+.
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07.10.2013 - 21:09
BigNaughtyV
Good list, agree with pretty much everyone. Definitely Einar Solberg, Mikael Akerfeldt, Daniel Gildenlow, Dan Swano, Kristoffer Rygg, Mariusz Duda, Russel Allen, and Maynard James Keenan. Though, i do find Warrel Dane's voice to be a bit thin.

Both of Fates Warning's singers are particularly good. John Arch has a curious way of crafting vocal lines which tends to completely disregard the notion of a hook and conventional melodies, present both in Fates and in the Arch/Matheos project he did later.
Ray Alder, on the other hand, has a dark melodic style - not dissimilar to Chris Salinas of Zero Hour (particularly on Specs of Pictures Burnt Beyond). He's worked with Fates, Redemption, and Engine and is always great. I'm particularly partial to his work with Kevin Moore on A Pleasant Shade of Grey and Disconnected.

Anneke van Giersbergen, of course, is amazing. Her work in The Gathering and with Devin Townsend (Addicted) is fantastic.

And Paul Kuhr of November's Doom. Fairly similar to Aaron Stainthorpe from My Dying Bride, but more refined. (The Pale Haunt Departure, The Knowing)
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07.10.2013 - 22:40
Fearmeister
The Tardy Boy
Where is John Tardy, King Diamond, Hansi Kürsch, Chris Boltendahl, Tom Angelripper, Nils Rue, Rob Halford, Lasse Pyykkö, Flemming Rönsdorf, Geoff Tate, Dio, Mikko Aspa and Martin van Drunen?
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08.10.2013 - 00:41
Erik M.
Written by Kuroboshi on 06.10.2013 at 10:28

Dani Filth: "Her Ghost in the Fog" (A lot of hate for this guy I guess, but his vocal span is amazing. Trying to do his high pitches at the karaoke is vocal chord suicide.)
Andy Schmidt: "Back to Times of Splendor" (Disillusion)


I used to listen to CoF but can't stand them anymore due to Dani Filth's ridiculous and totally annoying screams. But even though I can't enjoy his vocals, I must admit he is indeed very talented as he can do lots of things with his voice, even do clean vocals (well, kind of).

Vocals of Disillusion's debut are indeed great as well. So I would agree with adding him to this list seeing as he had good clean vocals as well as harsh vocals.
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08.10.2013 - 01:35
LeKiwi
High Fist Prog
Written by Fearmeister on 07.10.2013 at 22:40

Where is John Tardy, King Diamond, Hansi Kürsch, Chris Boltendahl, Tom Angelripper, Nils Rue, Rob Halford, Lasse Pyykkö, Flemming Rönsdorf, Geoff Tate, Dio, Mikko Aspa and Martin van Drunen?

I'm not sure where they are at the present, but I can certainly say that their names aren't on this list if that's what you meant Please PM me song suggestions as well if you have the time. Otherwise it will take some time before their possible addition. I'll add them to the considerations list at the bottom of the description.
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08.10.2013 - 02:08
Erik M.
Ugh, still haven't had the time to go through the whole discussion. Will do that tomorrow then.

I would suggest changing the criteria for the additions of the stars. The ones with the stars are your FAVOURITES, but you cannot possibly state that those are objectively better/more versatile (in whatever way) than the vocalists without a star. For example, many people feel it's ridiculous to state that Wintersun's vocalist (too lazy to spell the name ) is objectively better or more versatile than Mikael Akerfeldt, and I'm one of those people. Then it would be a FACT in saying that it can't be completely objective. But versatilily is mainly objective, so the subjective part (which is YOU) is wrong here. Also, Moonspell's vocalist not having a star is also wrong then, because he is in fact extremely versatile. It's bleedingly obvious that the ones with the stars are exactly your favourite vocalists of your favourite bands, so the criteria of the stars is simply wrong. Okay, and now I'll stop and hope you're being sensible enough to change it.
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08.10.2013 - 02:10
LeKiwi
High Fist Prog
Written by Lethrokai on 04.10.2013 at 15:28

Was just wondering... what do you think about Leprous' latest album, "Coal"?
For me, it's Einar Solberg's best performance, and one of my favourite vocal performances of all time.
EDIT: As for a song from it, if that's what you want, I'd recommend "The Valley."

Sorry for the delayed reply At first, I was disappointed since preferred (and still prefer) the upbeat style that they used to carve their way into the prog world. After a while it grew on me and I give it a 10, but it's still not as impressive as the debut and sophomore. Einar is easily one of the best metal vocalists of all time though
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08.10.2013 - 02:19
LeKiwi
High Fist Prog
Written by Erik M. on 08.10.2013 at 02:08

Ugh, still haven't had the time to go through the whole discussion. Will do that tomorrow then.

I would suggest changing the criteria for the additions of the stars. The ones with the stars are your FAVOURITES, but you cannot possibly state that those are objectively better/more versatile (in whatever way) than the vocalists without a star. For example, many people feel it's ridiculous to state that Wintersun's vocalist (too lazy to spell the name ) is objectively better or more versatile than Mikael Akerfeldt, and I'm one of those people. Then it would be a FACT in saying that it can't be completely objective. But versatilily is mainly objective, so the subjective part (which is YOU) is wrong here. Also, Moonspell's vocalist not having a star is also wrong then, because he is in fact extremely versatile. It's bleedingly obvious that the ones with the stars are exactly your favourite vocalists of your favourite bands, so the criteria of the stars is simply wrong. Okay, and now I'll stop and hope you're being sensible enough to change it.

More vocal styles at their disposal = greater versatility. Those two directly correlate - mathematics That being said, the assignment of stars isn't complete and more may be added at any given time.
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08.10.2013 - 14:10
LeKiwi
High Fist Prog
Written by BigNaughtyV on 07.10.2013 at 21:09

Good list, agree with pretty much everyone. Definitely Einar Solberg, Mikael Akerfeldt, Daniel Gildenlow, Dan Swano, Kristoffer Rygg, Mariusz Duda, Russel Allen, and Maynard James Keenan. Though, i do find Warrel Dane's voice to be a bit thin.

Both of Fates Warning's singers are particularly good. John Arch has a curious way of crafting vocal lines which tends to completely disregard the notion of a hook and conventional melodies, present both in Fates and in the Arch/Matheos project he did later.
Ray Alder, on the other hand, has a dark melodic style - not dissimilar to Chris Salinas of Zero Hour (particularly on Specs of Pictures Burnt Beyond). He's worked with Fates, Redemption, and Engine and is always great. I'm particularly partial to his work with Kevin Moore on A Pleasant Shade of Grey and Disconnected.

Anneke van Giersbergen, of course, is amazing. Her work in The Gathering and with Devin Townsend (Addicted) is fantastic.

And Paul Kuhr of November's Doom. Fairly similar to Aaron Stainthorpe from My Dying Bride, but more refined. (The Pale Haunt Departure, The Knowing)

I thought so too at first and it kept me from listening to them properly for quite a while. Truth be told, however, Warrel can do impressive things with his voice.

Anyways, could you make song suggestions for the vocalists you named?
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08.10.2013 - 19:22
Lethrokai
Written by LeKiwi on 08.10.2013 at 02:10

Written by Lethrokai on 04.10.2013 at 15:28

Was just wondering... what do you think about Leprous' latest album, "Coal"?
For me, it's Einar Solberg's best performance, and one of my favourite vocal performances of all time.
EDIT: As for a song from it, if that's what you want, I'd recommend "The Valley."

Sorry for the delayed reply At first, I was disappointed since preferred (and still prefer) the upbeat style that they used to carve their way into the prog world. After a while it grew on me and I give it a 10, but it's still not as impressive as the debut and sophomore. Einar is easily one of the best metal vocalists of all time though

I'm definitely a HUGE fan of their upbeat style, but I dunno... there was just some real (I guess the word I'm looking for here is "soul", or something of the likes) in Coal. I seriously can't put my finger on it, but there's something to it that has made it my Album Of The Year so far, and definitely my favourite album of the band.
At least we can agree on the fact that Einar is one hell of a man on the mic though!
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08.10.2013 - 22:54
BigNaughtyV
Written by LeKiwi on 08.10.2013 at 14:10

I thought so too at first and it kept me from listening to them properly for quite a while. Truth be told, however, Warrel can do impressive things with his voice.

Anyways, could you make song suggestions for the vocalists you named?

Though, Jeff Loomis is such a fucking beast it makes up for it

For John Arch, I'm quite partial to Neurotically Wired from Arch/Matheos, though the first three tracks are all stellar
With Ray Alder, Walls from Snowfall on Judgement Day, or Something From Nothing off Disconnected
Strange Machines from Mandylion for Anneke (Supercrush! if you're up for a Devy duet)
And Swallowed by the Moon off of The Pale Haunt Departure for Paul Kuhr.
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08.10.2013 - 23:13
BigNaughtyV
Looking through the ones without songs, have you considered Ad Absurdum for Garm?
Mother of the Soul is probably a good one for Dan Swano, shows most of his range.
I can attest to Hansi (And Then There Was Silence is basically 14 minutes of "the good parts" of a bunch of different songs)
Might i suggest The Bleeding Eyes of a Breeding Whore for Lord K and Severe Emotional Distress for Stu Block

Now that i think about it, have you considered Alan Averill of Primordial? The Coffin Ships says it all
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09.10.2013 - 01:39
Erik M.
Written by LeKiwi on 08.10.2013 at 02:19

More vocal styles at their disposal = greater versatility. Those two directly correlate - mathematics That being said, the assignment of stars isn't complete and more may be added at any given time.


Okay, so it seems I was again wrong in thinking you could be sensible. Look... what you said right there is absolutely correct, but adding stars is a bad idea with your criteria. Why? Because you only judge a certain vocalist by one or a few tracks. Not always of course, but it does happen in a lot of cases. That means you can't really judge the versatility of the vocalist properly, which results in handing out stars to your favourite vocalists since apparently your mathemetics is like this: "your favourite vocalist = more vocal styles at their disposal = greater versatility". Why not just add stars to your favourite vocalists? That way it is more personal and people like me can't complain you're doing it wrong. Because yes, you ARE wrong and that's a fact right there since while versatility is objective, you have only given stars to the vocalists that are your personal favourites and totally ignored vocalists that truly deserve a star, like Moonspell's vocalist. So if the star concept (with your criteria) was actually executed correctly then I wouldn't have a problem with it AT ALL, but as of now it's simply wrong. I'm sorry for the rant, but when I see something that is so utterly wrong or illogical I just can't ignore it and be totally baffled as I am now.

Also, Dani Filth from Cradle of Filth and Tom Sedotschenko from Evereve are among the most versatile vocalists out there and yet they aren't on your list.
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09.10.2013 - 01:54
LeKiwi
High Fist Prog
Written by Erik M. on 09.10.2013 at 01:39

Written by LeKiwi on 08.10.2013 at 02:19

More vocal styles at their disposal = greater versatility. Those two directly correlate - mathematics That being said, the assignment of stars isn't complete and more may be added at any given time.


Okay, so it seems I was again wrong in thinking you could be sensible. Look... what you said right there is absolutely correct, but adding stars is a bad idea with your criteria. Why? Because you only judge a certain vocalist by one or a few tracks. Not always of course, but it does happen in a lot of cases. That means you can't really judge the versatility of the vocalist properly, which results in handing out stars to your favourite vocalists since apparently your mathemetics is like this: "your favourite vocalist = more vocal styles at their disposal = greater versatility". Why not just add stars to your favourite vocalists? That way it is more personal and people like me can't complain you're doing it wrong. Because yes, you ARE wrong and that's a fact right there since while versatility is objective, you have only given stars to the vocalists that are your personal favourites and totally ignored vocalists that truly deserve a star, like Moonspell's vocalist. So if the star concept (with your criteria) was actually executed correctly then I wouldn't have a problem with it AT ALL, but as of now it's simply wrong. I'm sorry for the rant, but when I see something that is so utterly wrong or illogical I just can't ignore it and be totally baffled as I am now.

Also, Dani Filth from Cradle of Filth and Tom Sedotschenko from Evereve are among the most versatile vocalists out there and yet they aren't on your list.

I'm too tired of arguing at this point. How about you give me an example of a versatile vocalist (say Moonspell's) accompanied with a track or several for that matter. If you can't think of one or can't be bothered, then define versatility for me.
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