Written by InnerSelf on 06.08.2013 at 16:34

Hahaha yeah it's a bit overwhelming ... people need to go through some mediocre and crappy albums before discovering those jewels

I just realised you don't have Helevorn here ... you seriously need to check out their latest album, a masterpiece of (Male Vox) Gothic Death Doom

only the most recent Helevorn, indeed. Because the one before was way too much gothic whereas the latest is along the lines of Mourning Lenore.
But judging from the shoutbox just now erik hasn't heard helevorn.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 05.08.2013 at 17:49


Morphia

YUP! This band is really awesome.

Just a thought, wouldn't Draconian possibly fit here? I know that there mostly Gothic/doom than Death/doom. Nox Aurea and Falling Leaves would have been my other suggestions but they've already been added.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 06.08.2013 at 13:37

That's a different Castle and it's a lot worse The Castle I am talking about is Dutch and only released two demos and one full length and has split up quite a long time ago.

I suspected as much, since I noticed you giving both of those albums (of Castle on MS) only a 7 (not low, but also not worthy of this list). But seeing as they're not featured on MS, I won't add that album. Rules are rules, sorry.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 06.08.2013 at 13:42

So what? MS is lacking quite a few absolutely brilliant death doom bands, since MS is NOT a band database as such. So, imo, even though those bands are featured (either invisible or visible) here on MS they do deserve to be mentioned in a list which pretends to list the BEST death doom albums

Well, this is MS with only MS users and thus I only want to feature MS albums. On top of that, I'm trying to make this list comprehensible for people who are just starting to discover the subgenre and when I would add non-MS stuff that wouldn't really help as all that would do is make the list more elite, which I don't want since I want a comprehensible list. Not to mention it's already way too long for its own good.

Written by InnerSelf on 06.08.2013 at 16:26

You pretty much covered the genre with this list awesome place to pick albums for people trying to get into the genre.

Thanks man.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 06.08.2013 at 16:30

I think those people will drown in this list

I've been feeling the same way... it might be a good list for people who know a fair amount of death doom (like InnerSelf), but overwhelming for people who barely know death doom... and then it might be underwhelming for people like you who know a lot more death doom.

So yeah, a solution would be to only have 1 album/band but then I'd be ignoring really great albums, which I don't like. That way, it would make a difference of 22 albums. Also thinking of only putting on the stuff that's at least worth an 8.5 (instead of an 8) which would make a difference of about 10 albums. What do you think?

Written by InnerSelf on 06.08.2013 at 16:34

Hahaha yeah it's a bit overwhelming ... people need to go through some mediocre and crappy albums before discovering those jewels

I just realised you don't have Helevorn here ... you seriously need to check out their latest album, a masterpiece of (Male Vox) Gothic Death Doom

Huh? Okay, tell me which albums are NOT good and which albums are the "jewels", I'm curious. And I will check out that album you mentioned (since I indeed haven't heard Helevorn), thanks for the suggestion.

Written by CyberSymphony on 06.08.2013 at 19:47

Just a thought, wouldn't Draconian possibly fit here? I know that there mostly Gothic/doom than Death/doom. Nox Aurea and Falling Leaves would have been my other suggestions but they've already been added.

Sorry, I'm very familiar with Draconian and I don't think it fits this list at all. They're definitely gothic doom as you said yourself, barely any death to hear in their music (could be me though). Also, I have a couple of albums on this list that are on my "beauty and the beast" list as well and don't want too many albums that are on both lists. I already checked Falling Leaves out and I definitely liked it, but many seem to dislike it. Doesn't matter to me since it only counts whether I like it or not, seeing as it's my list. Still have to check out Nox Aurea though.

Wow! this is awesome. the list is a bit too long for my liking, but you've covered just about every good Doom Death album there is out there.

great to see Inborn Suffering, Saturnus, Officium Triste, Helevorn, The Prophecy, Falling Leaves in the list.
Surely, our music taste matches a lot

Written by The Melting Snow on 07.08.2013 at 00:40

Wow! this is awesome. the list is a bit too long for my liking, but you've covered just about every good Doom Death album there is out there.

great to see Inborn Suffering, Saturnus, Officium Triste, Helevorn, The Prophecy, Falling Leaves in the list.
Surely, our music taste matches a lot

Thanks man! And actually I removed a lot of albums by the same bands (since I initially had 2 albums/band, unlike 1 album/band like how it is now). Then there were 75 albums on this list, whereas now "only" 54, so it's definitely an improvement since it's a lot less overwhelming now, but still long enough. If you have any suggestions then let me know.

Written by Erik M. on 06.08.2013 at 22:53

Huh? Okay, tell me which albums are NOT good and which albums are the "jewels", I'm curious. And I will check out that album you mentioned (since I indeed haven't heard Helevorn), thanks for the suggestion.

That's not what I meant, and looking back at my comment now, it was badly phrased.
I meant that your list covers all the brilliant albums of the genre that it saves people from stumbling upon mediocre albums before discovering those jewels

Written by InnerSelf on 07.08.2013 at 15:07

That's not what I meant, and looking back at my comment now, it was badly phrased.
I meant that your list covers all the brilliant albums of the genre that it saves people from stumbling upon mediocre albums before discovering those jewels

Okay then, good to know.

Well, I've been wanting to make a journey through this area of metal for some time now.

This list shall supply me with what I require.

Written by TrollandDie on 10.08.2013 at 02:55

Well, I've been wanting to make a journey through this area of metal for some time now.

This list shall supply me with what I require.

Great! Glad to be of service.

Really impressive Melodic Death Doom (with a slight Gothic touch), thought you might like it
Immensity

And the list lacks Lacrimas Profundere, you might want to check Memorandum and Burning: A Wish (their new stuff sucks so I suggest avoiding it )

Boy, you are just becoming the list maker on this site for me.
Ever try Dark Millennium's Above The Celestial Season?

Written by InnerSelf on 10.08.2013 at 13:33

Really impressive Melodic Death Doom (with a slight Gothic touch), thought you might like it
Immensity

And the list lacks Lacrimas Profundere, you might want to check Memorandum and Burning: A Wish (their new stuff sucks so I suggest avoiding it )

Thanks, I'll give it a listen soon, but since I only add full length albums that are on MS I won't add it.

I checked out Memorandum but I'm not convinced it qualifies for this list, sorry... if any of their other albums are more death/doom then I might consider adding those. I just want to avoid the gothic doom stuff as much as possible.

Written by Guest on 11.08.2013 at 18:32

Boy, you are just becoming the list maker on this site for me.
Ever try Dark Millennium's Above The Celestial Season?

I'll take that as a compliment, so thanks. Although as I said, this will likely be my last list for a while unless I suddenly get a great idea for another one.

Consider that album added (btw, I noticed it's "ashore" and not "above" ) and will check it out sooner or later.

That's a strong list E.Mols. I'm sort of surprised that Tales From The Thousand Lakes by Amorphis isn't on it though. Tales is an all time fav of mine, but admittedly, a difficult to categorize album as well. Still, it combines elements of death and doom in a unique manner. Though this album has a different sound than much of the list, the same general words used to describe the sound are present, which is what is interesting to me.

Written by Mr. Blonde on 11.08.2013 at 23:34

That's a strong list E.Mols. I'm sort of surprised that Tales From The Thousand Lakes by Amorphis isn't on it though. Tales is all time fav of mine, but admittedly, a difficult to categorize album as well. Still, it combines elements of death and doom in a unique manner.

Thanks. I still have some work to do seeing as a lot of albums aren't ranked (which isn't extremely important, but I still aim to have 'em all ranked eventually).

Interesting you mention Tales of the Thousand Lakes. I own that album and listened to it quite a few times, although never considered it for this list for some reason. I think it does qualify seeing as it contains no gothic at all (unlike quite a few albums on this list) as well as it being a classic and all that. But don't be shocked by its (rather low) ranking on the list (still in the top 15 though), it's just my own preference.

Written by Guest on 11.08.2013 at 18:32


Ever try Dark Millennium's Above The Celestial Season?

has nothing to do with death/doom. Melodic death metal, yes, death/doom, nope.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 12.08.2013 at 01:12

Has nothing to do with death/doom. Melodic death metal, yes, death/doom, nope.

Then why is it labelled as such on MS, in that review and on MA?

Written by Erik M. on 12.08.2013 at 01:21

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 12.08.2013 at 01:12

Has nothing to do with death/doom. Melodic death metal, yes, death/doom, nope.

Then why is it labelled as such on MS, in that review and on MA?

because MA is wrong when it comes to this band and probably the one that submitted it here took it from MA.

MA is wrong a lot of times when it comes to genres. And here a lot is off as well according to me.

Cool, I see Tales has been added.

Also, the ranking isn't a huge deal to me. Inclusion is generally more important to me than rank with anyone's list (outside of top 5 or so). I mean, it's hard enough to get a group of people to agree on pizza toppings, let alone have them all agree on which toppings should receive the most priority on the pizza. That's a real weird analogy I know, but I think it conveys my point.

I honestly was just trying to think of non-gothic albums, and then it dawned on me. Even though Amorphis has (living up to their band name) altered their style again and again over the years. That one album always stood out as a milestone for me. The album sounds EXACTLY like the cover art looks, which that is impressive in it's own right. The themes of the Finnish epic, the Kalevala, and the haunting melodies used in songs like Black Winter Day made a really memorable death/doom album that doesn't fit the typical death/doom formula. I can see that album's influence in everything from other doom like October Tide to melodeath like Insomnium.

Let me see if I can think of other suggestions.
Ok, check out these five bands:
1. Serenity Fades - Earthborn = I'm pretty sure that EP is their only completed work, but it fits the criteria.
2. Dissolving of Prodigy - Lamentations of Innocence = should get some consideration. They do have quite a bit of a gothic sound, but no more than My Dying Bride, or Saturnus or other bands that this Czechoslovakian band emulates. They get a boner for flutes and recorders and stuff like that, but they have some good stuff. Lamentations of Innocents would probably be the album that best fits this list from them.
3. Mythic - Mourning in the Winter Solstice (EP) = an all female death/doom band from my hometown! It's a shame they didn't keep this band going, they are worth checking out.
4. Paramaecium (now known as inExhodrium) - either Within the Ancient Forest or Exhumed of the Earth = This is a Christian doom band, but it is challenging material that is both dark and uplifting at once, as they hail from Aussie land, the land of quality, Christian themed metal. They could be categorized as gothic, but they have enough death elements I think to warrant a spot here. But if not here, then on any Beauty and the Beast list, they belong.
5. Cianide - The Dying Truth = more traditional death leaning then much of the list. They are sort of like a doomier (and better imo) version of Autopsy
I'll echo Beyond Belief = I'm not surprised that Marcel mentioned them already though.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 12.08.2013 at 01:31

And here a lot is off as well according to me.

...And that is where you lose your post loses its credibility.

Someone should make and extensive list about entire extreme doom metal spectrum and cover areas like (pure)death doom, blackended doom, funeral doom, sludge doom and drone doom

Glad you added "Indesinence - Vessels Of Light And Decay"

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 12.08.2013 at 01:31

because MA is wrong when it comes to this band and probably the one that submitted it here took it from MA.

MA is wrong a lot of times when it comes to genres. And here a lot is off as well according to me.

I see. Not saying you're wrong, but I'll still give it a listen and then decide for myself whether it's death doom or not.

Written by Guest on 12.08.2013 at 04:36

...And that is where you lose your post loses its credibility.

Not sure whether Marcel is referring to my list or to MS. If he's referring to MS then I agree, but if this is about my list then I'd like to know which albums aren't death doom in his opinion.

Written by Mr. Blonde on 12.08.2013 at 03:03

Cool, I see Tales has been added.

Also, the ranking isn't a huge deal to me. Inclusion is generally more important to me than rank with anyone's list (outside of top 5 or so). I mean, it's hard enough to get a group of people to agree on pizza toppings, let alone have them all agree on which toppings should receive the most priority on the pizza. That's a real weird analogy I know, but I think it conveys my point.

I honestly was just trying to think of non-gothic albums, and then it dawned on me. Even though Amorphis has (living up to their band name) altered their style again and again over the years. That one album always stood out as a milestone for me. The album sounds EXACTLY like the cover art looks, which that is impressive in it's own right. The themes of the Finnish epic, the Kalevala, and the haunting melodies used in songs like Black Winter Day made a really memorable death/doom album that doesn't fit the typical death/doom formula. I can see that album's influence in everything from other doom like October Tide to melodeath like Insomnium.

Let me see if I can think of other suggestions.
Ok, check out these five bands:
1. Serenity Fades - Earthborn = I'm pretty sure that EP is their only completed work, but it fits the criteria.
2. Dissolving of Prodigy - Lamentations of Innocence = should get some consideration. They do have quite a bit of a gothic sound, but no more than My Dying Bride, or Saturnus or other bands that this Czechoslovakian band emulates. They get a boner for flutes and recorders and stuff like that, but they have some good stuff. Lamentations of Innocents would probably be the album that best fits this list from them.
3. Mythic - Mourning in the Winter Solstice (EP) = an all female death/doom band from my hometown! It's a shame they didn't keep this band going, they are worth checking out.
4. Paramaecium (now known as inExhodrium) - either Within the Ancient Forest or Exhumed of the Earth = This is a Christian doom band, but it is challenging material that is both dark and uplifting at once, as they hail from Aussie land, the land of quality, Christian themed metal. They could be categorized as gothic, but they have enough death elements I think to warrant a spot here. But if not here, then on any Beauty and the Beast list, they belong.
5. Cianide - The Dying Truth = more traditional death leaning then much of the list. They are sort of like a doomier (and better imo) version of Autopsy
I'll echo Beyond Belief = I'm not surprised that Marcel mentioned them already though.

Yeah, I agree with what you said about Tales from the Thousand Lakes, it's indeed quite a unique album and not regular death doom at all. That's why I probably didn't even consider it for this list. Typical death doom would of course be Mourning Beloveth and Officium Triste and the likes.

Now about your suggestions. I hate to say this, but like the description says (and also numerous mentions in the comments) I don't add non-MS stuff and only full length albums. That being said, I might reconsider after a while, but first I'm going to "work" on having a solid list in which all the albums are ranked (right now about 20 albums aren't ranked yet, so need to listen to those (more)). By the way, you mentioned "beauty and the beast". Not sure if that's a coincidence, but I happen to have created a "beauty and the beast" list a couple of months ago, check it out! And I did add Cianide's debut, so I'll check that one out. If there's not enough doom (in my opinion), then I'll just delete it again.

Written by mz on 12.08.2013 at 16:05

Someone should make and extensive list about entire extreme doom metal spectrum and cover areas like (pure)death doom, blackended doom, funeral doom, sludge doom and drone doom

That would be a huge list. This list also covers pure as well as melodic death doom. I could indicate the melodic ones (with an M for example), good idea or not? As for blackened, funeral, sludge and drone doom, I'm not the right person to create such a list seeing as I don't nearly enjoy those styles as much as death doom. But yeah, it would be great if someone would indeed create lists that cover those subgenres.

Written by mz on 12.08.2013 at 16:07

Glad you added "Indesinence - Vessels Of Light And Decay"

I initially added their debut, but seeing as it's far less popular than Vessels of Light and Decay (so barely anyone would know it), I decided to go for the 2nd album. Good thing I did, since I enjoyed it a lot. Still will check out the debut sooner or later though.

Written by Erik M. on 15.08.2013 at 01:09


I initially added their debut, but seeing as it's far less popular than Vessels of Light and Decay (so barely anyone would know it), I decided to go for the 2nd album. Good thing I did, since I enjoyed it a lot. Still will check out the debut sooner or later though.

it might not be as popular as their second album but their debut is just so much superior it isn't even funny any more. I would even dare say that their second album is one of the most overrated albums of last year

Written by Erik M. on 15.08.2013 at 01:09

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 12.08.2013 at 01:31

because MA is wrong when it comes to this band and probably the one that submitted it here took it from MA.

MA is wrong a lot of times when it comes to genres. And here a lot is off as well according to me.

I see. Not saying you're wrong, but I'll still give it a listen and then decide for myself whether it's death doom or not.

Written by Guest on 12.08.2013 at 04:36

...And that is where you lose your post loses its credibility.

Not sure whether Marcel is referring to my list or to MS. If he's referring to MS then I agree, but if this is about my list then I'd like to know which albums aren't death doom in his opinion.

Written by Mr. Blonde on 12.08.2013 at 03:03

Cool, I see Tales has been added.

Also, the ranking isn't a huge deal to me. Inclusion is generally more important to me than rank with anyone's list (outside of top 5 or so). I mean, it's hard enough to get a group of people to agree on pizza toppings, let alone have them all agree on which toppings should receive the most priority on the pizza. That's a real weird analogy I know, but I think it conveys my point.

I honestly was just trying to think of non-gothic albums, and then it dawned on me. Even though Amorphis has (living up to their band name) altered their style again and again over the years. That one album always stood out as a milestone for me. The album sounds EXACTLY like the cover art looks, which that is impressive in it's own right. The themes of the Finnish epic, the Kalevala, and the haunting melodies used in songs like Black Winter Day made a really memorable death/doom album that doesn't fit the typical death/doom formula. I can see that album's influence in everything from other doom like October Tide to melodeath like Insomnium.

Let me see if I can think of other suggestions.
Ok, check out these five bands:
1. Serenity Fades - Earthborn = I'm pretty sure that EP is their only completed work, but it fits the criteria.
2. Dissolving of Prodigy - Lamentations of Innocence = should get some consideration. They do have quite a bit of a gothic sound, but no more than My Dying Bride, or Saturnus or other bands that this Czechoslovakian band emulates. They get a boner for flutes and recorders and stuff like that, but they have some good stuff. Lamentations of Innocents would probably be the album that best fits this list from them.
3. Mythic - Mourning in the Winter Solstice (EP) = an all female death/doom band from my hometown! It's a shame they didn't keep this band going, they are worth checking out.
4. Paramaecium (now known as inExhodrium) - either Within the Ancient Forest or Exhumed of the Earth = This is a Christian doom band, but it is challenging material that is both dark and uplifting at once, as they hail from Aussie land, the land of quality, Christian themed metal. They could be categorized as gothic, but they have enough death elements I think to warrant a spot here. But if not here, then on any Beauty and the Beast list, they belong.
5. Cianide - The Dying Truth = more traditional death leaning then much of the list. They are sort of like a doomier (and better imo) version of Autopsy
I'll echo Beyond Belief = I'm not surprised that Marcel mentioned them already though.

Yeah, I agree with what you said about Tales from the Thousand Lakes, it's indeed quite a unique album and not regular death doom at all. That's why I probably didn't even consider it for this list. Typical death doom would of course be Mourning Beloveth and Officium Triste and the likes.

Now about your suggestions. I hate to say this, but like the description says (and also numerous mentions in the comments) I don't add non-MS stuff and only full length albums. That being said, I might reconsider after a while, but first I'm going to "work" on having a solid list in which all the albums are ranked (right now about 20 albums aren't ranked yet, so need to listen to those (more)). By the way, you mentioned "beauty and the beast". Not sure if that's a coincidence, but I happen to have created a "beauty and the beast" list a couple of months ago, check it out! And I did add Cianide's debut, so I'll check that one out. If there's not enough doom (in my opinion), then I'll just delete it again.

Written by mz on 12.08.2013 at 16:05

Someone should make and extensive list about entire extreme doom metal spectrum and cover areas like (pure)death doom, blackended doom, funeral doom, sludge doom and drone doom

That would be a huge list. This list also covers pure as well as melodic death doom. I could indicate the melodic ones (with an M for example), good idea or not? As for blackened, funeral, sludge and drone doom, I'm not the right person to create such a list seeing as I don't nearly enjoy those styles as much as death doom. But yeah, it would be great if someone would indeed create lists that cover those subgenres.

Written by mz on 12.08.2013 at 16:07

Glad you added "Indesinence - Vessels Of Light And Decay"

I initially added their debut, but seeing as it's far less popular than Vessels of Light and Decay (so barely anyone would know it), I decided to go for the 2nd album. Good thing I did, since I enjoyed it a lot. Still will check out the debut sooner or later though.

I love Tales from the 1k Lakes so much. I don't know what it is about that album... it's just f'n captivating. Elegy is great too, but wouldn't make any sense on this particular list.

About the non-full album stuff. That's cool, and yeah I did see that. I mostly just wanted to give those bands a shout out, more than anything. I don't really expect you to add the EPs for Serenity Fades and Mythic. That is all good.

Cianide is death first, than doom... but there is a Sabbathy haze over that death metal none the less. I think it qualifies to stay, but hey it's your list.

Paramaecium is probably the strongest candidate I mentioned though. InExordium is how to find them here though as they changed their name to an opening track off an old album under Paramaecium. They have one of those invisible profiles here. If it ever gets activated... they deserve an add on the list. They are a religious band, but not one that requires a religious listener to appreciate. I honestly feel they are on par with bands like My Dying Bride, and that's a small, proud group.

Phlebotomized as Melodic Death/Doom? They sounded like Progressive Death when I listened to them...

Just checked out Indesinence, and it reminded me a bit of Faal, which I checked out earlier this year and it was really good. Any recommendations for bands along the lines of Faal and Indesinence with 2013 releases?

No Novembre? I haz a severe sad.

Also; Eternal Oath's latest (not 100% sure about whether it's death-doom or not) and Ad Intra (though I doubt you'll feature them here since they're not on MS, but shared for the greater purpose of discovering new music nonetheless).

Written by psykometal on 16.08.2013 at 06:17

Phlebotomized as Melodic Death/Doom? They sounded like Progressive Death when I listened to them...

there is quite a bit of doom in their as well. Wouldn't really call it progressive though. That would be like calling Always by The Gathering or My Dying Bride's debut progressive

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 16.08.2013 at 13:58

there is quite a bit of doom in their as well. Wouldn't really call it progressive though. That would be like calling Always by The Gathering or My Dying Bride's debut progressive

Well the shifts in the music within the songs, and from song to song in some cases (as well as the "symphonic" presence) is what made me think Progressive. It's so different from a lot of other stuff I've listened to from that time period and earlier. By today's standards I would consider it Progressive, by 1994 standards (which is something I never considered originally, being the "revisionist" that I am ) it was probably considered very Avantgarde.