Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Wow you're off on this one
(yours is the first review I have come across from the 20 or so I read that scores it under 7.5)
Here is wmy thoughts on the album:
"Traditional doom featured on Metal Blade? Not something you would actually expect. But who cares? Now this sort of doom will finally get some attention from the larger part of the metal populace and not only from the small core of doom fanatics.
Opener 'Astaroth' hits home in the best tradition of Reverend Bizarre, the starting and main riff could easily have been thought up by the demised Finns. A versed doom listener now knows that he/she can go to the nearest record store in a straight line to purchase 'Misery Wizard' by USA's Pilgrim. Six songs of quality doom that reminds one of Reverend Bizarre, Lord Vicar and Procession is what the listener gets served up, even though Pilgrim doesn't quite reach the level of those three bands, yet. IN order for that to happen more variation and discernebility of the songs is needed. It isn't quite there, yet. If the band works on this for their next album I am sure we will be treated to a brilliant album.
What remains now is a very good doom album by a band that clearly has the talent to grow into a real monster but will currently only appeal to doom fans. I am really curious as to how this band will evolve.
Rating: 79/100 "
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 07.02.2012 at 13:34
Six songs of quality doom that reminds one of Reverend Bizarre, Lord Vicar and Procession is what the listener gets served up, even though Pilgrim doesn't quite reach the level of those three bands, yet. IN order for that to happen more any variation and discernebility whatsoever of the songs is needed.
Fixed.
It's derivative on top of being unremarkable.
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Written by Doc G. on 08.02.2012 at 01:00
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 07.02.2012 at 13:34
Six songs of quality doom that reminds one of Reverend Bizarre, Lord Vicar and Procession is what the listener gets served up, even though Pilgrim doesn't quite reach the level of those three bands, yet. IN order for that to happen more any variation and discernebility whatsoever of the songs is needed.
Fixed.
It's derivative on top of being unremarkable.
There is actually quite a bit of variation, albeit very subtle
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The track available sounds like yawnsville. Boring, pick-up-and-rip-off bedroom doom that's the doom equivalent of a Darkclone. I doubt I'll look into the band further ( especially given Marcel's propensity for liking crap like this, I'll stick my faith in the reviewer ;] ). If that's as good as it gets it deserves no more than a 6.
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Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck ElitePosts: 40071 |
Good to see there are people who don't recognize good doom when it comes across their path Leeaves room to watch a band at gigs
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If good doom also includes talentless hacks who lift a few riffs from their favourite doom bands and play them with very average ability then this must indeed be excellent doom ;]
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Written by [user id=4365] on 08.02.2012 at 17:02
If good doom also includes talentless hacks who lift a few riffs from their favourite doom bands and play them with very average ability then this must indeed be excellent doom ;]
Silly Joe, you should know by now, basic standards of quality (or lack thereof) don't apply to doom.
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Written by Doc G. on 08.02.2012 at 20:36
Written by [user id=4365] on 08.02.2012 at 17:02
If good doom also includes talentless hacks who lift a few riffs from their favourite doom bands and play them with very average ability then this must indeed be excellent doom ;]
Silly Joe, you should know by now, basic standards of quality (or lack thereof) don't apply to doom.
There is more than enough quality herr, but somehow you fail to hear it. Weird that a gazillion other people do hear the quality in it Not original, true, but then again what is nowadays? Bad, absolutely not. Monotonous, to a certain extent. Vocalist pretty decent. Band has loads of potential, especially considering band members vary in age from 19 until very early 20.
Take a band as Dantesco now there is a lack of quality.
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 08.02.2012 at 20:42
There is more than enough quality herr, but somehow you fail to hear it. Weird that a gazillion other people do hear the quality in it Not original, true, but then again what is nowadays? Bad, absolutely not. Monotonous, to a certain extent. Vocalist pretty decent. Band has loads of potential, especially considering band members vary in age from 19 until very early 20.
Take a band as Dantesco now there is a lack of quality.
I'll agree on one point; the band has potential. I wouldn't call them talentless, but the whole thing just sounds completely unoriginal, and extremely, extremely monotonous.
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Written by Doc G. on 08.02.2012 at 20:51
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 08.02.2012 at 20:42
There is more than enough quality herr, but somehow you fail to hear it. Weird that a gazillion other people do hear the quality in it Not original, true, but then again what is nowadays? Bad, absolutely not. Monotonous, to a certain extent. Vocalist pretty decent. Band has loads of potential, especially considering band members vary in age from 19 until very early 20.
Take a band as Dantesco now there is a lack of quality.
I'll agree on one point; the band has potential. I wouldn't call them talentless, but the whole thing just sounds completely unoriginal, and extremely, extremely monotonous.
to your ears a bit monotunous I agree, completely unoriginal, nope. If that's the case then tell me who are they copying?
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 08.02.2012 at 20:54
to your ears a bit monotunous I agree, completely unoriginal, nope. If that's the case then tell me who are they copying?
Well, naturally I'm not that learned in doom, but I hear bits of old stuff like St Vitus. I guess it's not so much that it seems like they're strictly ripping off anyone specifically, but it just strikes me as horribly uncreative and generic.
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Written by Doc G. on 09.02.2012 at 00:29
, but it just strikes me as horribly uncreative and generic.
Welcome to the wonderful world of 99% of all metal
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I enjoyed the first track of the album (which you can hear on their bandcamp) and am looking forward to the rest of the album but it might just be because I have a permaboner for Reverend Bizarre, Lord Vicar, Wizard Smoke,...
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R'Vannith ghedengi ElitePosts: 3099 |
If it is that bad it would be a shame, I really like that album cover.
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Written by R'Vannith on 09.02.2012 at 06:37
If it is that bad it would be a shame
It's not, trust me
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Written by Doc G. on 09.02.2012 at 00:29
Well, naturally I'm not that learned in doom, but I hear bits of old stuff like St Vitus. I guess it's not so much that it seems like they're strictly ripping off anyone specifically, but it just strikes me as horribly uncreative and generic.
That's the worst thing with bands like this, they aren't ripping off anyone specifically, they're ripping off entire swathes of doom bands, many of which were already hugely derivative. There's some serious nth-generation clone-age going on here; they really do embody the most stereotypical and predictable type of sound (even the theme use of "Wizard" is overdone: album/song title, band member moniker). You could randomly place a proverbial pin on the map of trad-doom and you'd probably pick a band that this band has lifted the style of riff from, only they've executed it in a particularly poor manner. Totally valueless and unoriginal in its current form, even though doom fanboys will always find excuses to push this kind of thing through there's no logical reason whatsoever to give this kind of music more than a 5 or 6 (at least from a professional point of view, I can understand enjoying this from a personal standpoint but a lot of people confuse personal enjoyment with artistic validity). Anyone with any sense of the doom scene with a bit of perspective (certainly don't need to be unnecessarily learned for music as simple and old fashioned as this) can see this is nothing more than museum material, though the doom scene does seem to be oddly resistant to critical awareness most of the time so frankly it's good to see an accurate review that's more in line with other reviews of black, death and thrash and what have you (after all, Darkclones and generic death and thrash get pissed all over, why never the doom equivalents?), rather than just keeping it all in the family and treating it as good simply because it reminds you of old bands. Of course for that reason music like this will never really be bad because it's so closely based off other great bands; it's just another very average clone of them.
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