Paradise Lost - Draconian Times


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Release date: 12 June 1995
Style: Gothic metal, Death doom metal

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Disc I
01. Enchantment
02. Hallowed Land
03. The Last Time
04. Forever Failure
05. Once Solemn
06. Shadowkings
07. Elusive Cure
08. Yearn For Change
09. Shades Of God
10. Hands Of Reason
11. I See Your Face
12. Jaded
13. Walk Away [The Sisters Of Mercy cover] [bonus]
14. Laid to Waste [bonus]
15. Master of Misrule [bonus]
16. How Soon Is Now [2002 Re-release bonus]
17. Fear [2002 Re-release bonus]

Disc II Limited Edition Commemorative Tour Pack
01. Embers Fire [live]
02. Daylight Torn [live]
03. True Belief [live]
04. Pity The Sadness [live]
05. As I Die [live]
06. Weeping Words [demo]
07. The Last Time [demo]
08. Walk Away [The Sisters Of Mercy cover]
09. Laid To Waste
10. Master Of Misrule
11. Forever Failure [Video edit version]

Draconian Times (2011 Legacy Edition)
Disc I
01. Enchantment
02. Hallowed Land
03. The Last Time
04. Forever Failure
05. Once Solemn
06. Shadowkings
07. Elusive Cure
08. Yearn For Change
09. Shades Of God
10. Hands Of Reason
11. I See Your Face
12. Jaded
13. Enchantment [demo] [bonus]
14. Last Desire [demo] [bonus]
15. Forever Failure [bonus]
16. Shadowkings [bonus]
17. Once Solemn [bonus]
18. Hallowed Land [bonus]
19. The Last Time [bonus]

Disc II DVD
01. ''Draconian Times'' in 5.1 Mix
+ Forever Failure [video]
+ The Last Time [video]
+ Hallowed Land [video]
+ 16 pages booklet including liner notes from the band and exclusive new artwork [Regular jewel case version]
+ 36 pages booklet including liner notes from the band and exclusive new artwork [A5 digibook version]

Top 20 albums of 1995: 5
Top 200 albums of all time: 67

Line-up
Nick Holmes - vocals
Aaron Aedy - guitars
Gregor Mackintosh - guitars
Lee Morris - drums
Stephen Edmondson - bass

Session musicians
Andrew Holdsworth - keyboards

Additional info
Label: Music for Nations

Recorded at Great Linford Manor and Ridge Farm Studios.
Produced by Simon Efemey.
Engineered by Pete "Pee Wee" Coleman.
Assisted by Andy Griffin, Phil Wood and Phil Luff.
Mixed by Simon Efemey and Pete "Pee Wee" Coleman.
Mastered by Kevin Metealfe at Townhouse Studios, London.

Choir arrangements by the Guildford Dead Boys Choir.

Spoken dialogue on "Forever Failure" from "Charles Manson - The Man Who Killed The Sixties" produced by Box Productions for Channel Four Television Corporation.

2011 re-mastering and the 5.1 mix on the audio tracks by Jens Bogren at Fascination Street Studios, Örebro, Sweden for Northern Music Co. Ltd.

Guest review by
Gorey
Rating:
10
For a few years, the "happy folks" of Paradise Lost were used to making excellent albums such as Shades Of God or Icon, but nothing could really prepare us to this nuclear bomb, Draconian Times. This album, released in 1995, is, more than a confirmation, a real coup d?etat in the metal world: every listening, every note is a perpetual rediscovery. Tracks like 'Hallowed Land', 'Elusive Cure' or 'Forever Failure' exhale such beauty that there are no exact words to describe the emotion they make us feel.

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published 02.09.2003 | Comments (17)

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17.05.2020 - 23:32
Rating: 6
Starvynth
i c deaf people
Written by Metren on 17.05.2020 at 18:15

I listened to this for the first time a few days ago while waiting for their latest. As a Paradise Lost noob I assumed this would be a good place to start given that it is their highest rated album here, but unfortunately this album did absolutely nothing for me. Rarely, if ever before have I been so unmoved by an album with such a high rating. I'm almost tempted to give this a 6/10, but I think I will give it a few more listens first before rating it. After all, some say it is a grower-type album.

Wow, that's a bold statement.
But many thanks for this comment, you cannot believe how much I can relate to your words.

Having stumbled upon their debut in 1990 I wouldn't call myself a Paradise Lost noob, but I still remember that I felt like a total noob to the direction they had taken with this album.
I simply adored Lost Paradise and Gothic for countless reasons, I learned to accept Shades Of God for what it was (an inbetweener) and I could even make my peace with Icon for "True Belief" was such a great hymn and as they truly deserved all the sudden media fuss. But I could never bear more than five consecutive minutes of this.
My first encounter with Draconian Times was a crucial event. Sunday night, Vanessa Warwick, MTV Headbangers Ball and the video of their first single "The Last Time": five mid-twenties in tight leather jeans posing in a puddle of water like f#cken wannabe rockstars. The irritating "Hearts beating... for the last time"-refrain and the dullness of this song literally terrified my.
From one moment to the next my most favorite band didn't exist anymore. Each band member replaced by a kitschy plastic doll to cast in a plastic video. Kidnapped by aliens. Dead and gone.

The most disappointing and frustrating album of my life - here it is.

And you will have to bury me in shit, drown me in diarrhea and pull each of my toenails to hear me ever saying that this is a grower.
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18.05.2020 - 09:42
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Tage Westerlund
Nice bibble story man, i had same old days not even 19 when metal was about long hair and letter, nu and modern metal was shit, year when st anger came, and I hated it. I remember i hated this band in disco era, i dislike this as well. I had hard accept Come back to roots album then. In mid 20s i re listened this and its good. I love it first 5 are an awesome albums,
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18.05.2020 - 11:52
JoHn DoE
Written by Starvynth on 17.05.2020 at 23:32

Written by Metren on 17.05.2020 at 18:15

I listened to this for the first time a few days ago while waiting for their latest. As a Paradise Lost noob I assumed this would be a good place to start given that it is their highest rated album here, but unfortunately this album did absolutely nothing for me. Rarely, if ever before have I been so unmoved by an album with such a high rating. I'm almost tempted to give this a 6/10, but I think I will give it a few more listens first before rating it. After all, some say it is a grower-type album.

Wow, that's a bold statement.
But many thanks for this comment, you cannot believe how much I can relate to your words.

Having stumbled upon their debut in 1990 I wouldn't call myself a Paradise Lost noob, but I still remember that I felt like a total noob to the direction they had taken with this album.
I simply adored Lost Paradise and Gothic for countless reasons, I learned to accept Shades Of God for what it was (an inbetweener) and I could even make my peace with Icon for "True Belief" was such a great hymn and as they truly deserved all the sudden media fuss. But I could never bear more than five consecutive minutes of this.
My first encounter with Draconian Times was a crucial event. Sunday night, Vanessa Warwick, MTV Headbangers Ball and the video of their first single "The Last Time": five mid-twenties in tight leather jeans posing in a puddle of water like f#cken wannabe rockstars. The irritating "Hearts beating... for the last time"-refrain and the dullness of this song literally terrified my.
From one moment to the next my most favorite band didn't exist anymore. Each band member replaced by a kitschy plastic doll to cast in a plastic video. Kidnapped by aliens. Dead and gone.

The most disappointing and frustrating album of my life - here it is.

And you will have to bury me in shit, drown me in diarrhea and pull each of my toenails to hear me ever saying that this is a grower.


The video for The Last Time is terrible, OMG
I rarely watched Headbangers Ball back then and by 1995 there were already plenty of bands i disliked on there, but that's another story.

I was kinda disappointed by Draconian Times as well, it was inferior to Icon (which to this day remains a favorite of mine). Songs on DT were much simpler, straightforward, catchier. I guess they wanted a bigger audience, I don't know... I still liked the album, but it was a step down compared to Icon.
I am also surprised DT has a higher rating that Icon here on MS.
I remember people laughing at Holmes trying to sound like Hetfield. I don't know if it was intentional, but people were thinking of it.
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18.05.2020 - 12:53
nikarg
Mod
I think I had stopped watching Headbangers Ball by 1995 too, both the show and MTV in general had already become a joke by then. Also, the internet had just started, it was ridiculously slow but it was there. Draconian Times was indeed an effort of the band to become more 'commercial' but they still had great songs, something that they sorely missed on One Second and everything that came after it up until In Requiem. I love "Hearts Beating" (I never refer to it as "The Last Time") even though the video is shockingly ridiculous. Side A of this album is the best PL have had in any of their albums imo and I think the LP as a whole is on par with Icon, neither better nor worse (definitely different though). And yes, Nick sounds a bit like Hetfield.
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18.05.2020 - 14:31
Rating: 8
Redel
Written by JoHn DoE on 18.05.2020 at 11:52

I was kinda disappointed by Draconian Times as well, it was inferior to Icon (which to this day remains a favorite of mine). Songs on DT were much simpler, straightforward, catchier. I guess they wanted a bigger audience, I don't know... I still liked the album, but it was a step down compared to Icon.


That is more or less how I felt about the two albums back at the time.
Nothing on DT reaches the excellence of True Belief, Embers Fire, Joys of Emptiness or Remembrance.
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18.05.2020 - 14:33
Rating: 8
Redel
Written by Starvynth on 17.05.2020 at 23:32

Sunday night, Vanessa Warwick, MTV Headbangers Ball and the video of their first single "The Last Time": five mid-twenties in tight leather jeans posing in a puddle of water like f#cken wannabe rockstars.
And you will have to bury me in shit, drown me in diarrhea and pull each of my toenails to hear me ever saying that this is a grower.


Yeah, Headbanger's Ball already sucked back in 1995, but Vanessa Warwick was still worth it, she was great.
DT a grower? Not for me.
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18.05.2020 - 16:18
Bad English
Tage Westerlund
Written by nikarg on 18.05.2020 at 12:53

I think I had stopped watching Headbangers Ball by 1995 too, both the show and MTV in general had already become a joke by then. Also, the internet had just started, it was ridiculously slow but it was there. Draconian Times was indeed an effort of the band to become more 'commercial' but they still had great songs, something that they sorely missed on One Second and everything that came after it up until In Requiem. I love "Hearts Beating" (I never refer to it as "The Last Time") even though the video is shockingly ridiculous. Side A of this album is the best PL have had in any of their albums imo and I think the LP as a whole is on par with Icon, neither better nor worse (definitely different though). And yes, Nick sounds a bit like Hetfield.


I was boern 1985 AC man, so I hardly rememeber MTV I know HB and B n B , I did watch thoise original, but it was joke. I have seen videos what once was on MTV, I stopped listen music beck then from 1995-1998 when I get tapes, bootlegs and so on, and Paradise Lost was one of firts bands I ever dug, same firts CD I bought was Eos The spectral sorrows. I start use i net in 2003 for metal, MS, MA and I tuck 99% metal I found because of net, well .... even mid 90's shit I re DIUSCOVER , I heard many good shit but it was bootleg tapes and so on.

I love all PL albums, firts 5 special and all after disco era I like to, good band,
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22.05.2020 - 20:51
Rating: 10
qlacs
"The Quaker"
My uncles on one side of the family were big into metal in their teens and obtained a lot of casettes from local bands and these dubious semi-original copies (I still don't know if Eurocasette or whatever it was called was a legit thing haha ), but they had one genuine original tape with all its booklets, and it was this record. This was the first time I heard them at like 13 years old or something. Still feels special, although I come to see its shortcomings and hearing some of its predecessors I can see that it takes less risks.
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22.05.2020 - 21:20
Angel N.
Evil Butterfly
Written by Metren on 17.05.2020 at 18:15

I listened to this for the first time a few days ago while waiting for their latest. As a Paradise Lost noob I assumed this would be a good place to start given that it is their highest rated album here, but unfortunately this album did absolutely nothing for me. Rarely, if ever before have I been so unmoved by an album with such a high rating. I'm almost tempted to give this a 6/10, but I think I will give it a few more listens first before rating it. After all, some say it is a grower-type album.


Look at the date of the album, see how old it is? I think that's what it is. Some people listened to this when there was nothing comparable to it at all, if you have listened to this 20 years ago, this was sounding defo something else.
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23.05.2020 - 02:51
Rating: 8
TSRodriguez
I really liked this, but it never achieves too much of a climax, some of the ideas are underdeveloped like they needed to make the songs shorter to be commercially viable, and it kinda ruins some of them. I want to chime as well on Last Time, by far the worst song here xD, the chorus sounds cliché rock and its kinda irritating. There is some really quality stuff here though, like Forever Failure, Yearn for change, and my favorite; Hallowed Land.
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09.09.2020 - 20:41
Rating: 7
sgtrobo
Written by Metren on 17.05.2020 at 18:15

I listened to this for the first time a few days ago while waiting for their latest. As a Paradise Lost noob I assumed this would be a good place to start given that it is their highest rated album here, but unfortunately this album did absolutely nothing for me. Rarely, if ever before have I been so unmoved by an album with such a high rating. I'm almost tempted to give this a 6/10, but I think I will give it a few more listens first before rating it. After all, some say it is a grower-type album.


I gotta agree on all points. I did go into it expecting something a little more..."intense". I'm going to give it several more listens before I put a final rating on it as well because I was completely underwhelmed and...well...curious...as in "how the heck can this be rated so high"

Complex music tends to grow on me over time though, so back to the drawing...er...listening board...
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