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Release date: 24 March 2014
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01. As We Wait To Die
02. Ascension Of The Deceased
03. Hunter's Blood
04. Darkness Fell
05. False Revelation
06. Succumb To Rapture
07. Remnants Of Hatred
08. Shield Of The Son
09. The Evil Within
10. Sands Of Time
11. Beast Of Vengeance
12. Back From Beyond
13. Honor The Fallen

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Rating:
8.0
Massacre should require no introduction. Helmed anew by veterans Rick Rozz and Terry Butler, joined by a new rhythm section, Massacre have returned from beyond the grave to offer up another dose of good, old-fashioned Florida-style death metal.

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published 10.05.2014 | Comments (4)

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vezzy - 31.01.2014 at 22:51  
  Oh shit!

Honestly, given the relative mediocrity of the EP, I'm not expecting this to come close to their classic debut. At the very least I hope for a few worthy songs.
deadone - 01.02.2014 at 22:59  
  I'm still curious if this will be any good.
Cynic Metalhead - 05.02.2014 at 20:48  
  New song online.

deadone - 07.02.2014 at 02:18  
  Wow, that sounds really good. Really looking forward to this one now.
!J.O.O.E.! - 07.02.2014 at 11:26  
 
Written by Cynic Metalhead on 05.02.2014 at 20:48

New song online.

Took two minutes to get to a decent death metal riff, then they pretty much abandoned it again until right at the end, opting for build-up segments which never lead anywhere unbalanced.
Troy Killjoy - 07.02.2014 at 14:23  
 
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 07.02.2014 at 11:26
Took two minutes to get to a decent death metal riff, then they pretty much abandoned it again until right at the end, opting for build-up segments which never lead anywhere unbalanced.

From what I can remember that's like every Massacre song ever.
!J.O.O.E.! - 07.02.2014 at 14:26  
 
Written by Troy Killjoy on 07.02.2014 at 14:23


From what I can remember that's like every Massacre song ever.

It's been a while since I listened to them to be honest. I like the sound of this song, but if that's indicative of their songwriting I probably won't bother looking further.
Cynic Metalhead - 07.02.2014 at 14:56  
 
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 07.02.2014 at 14:26

Written by Troy Killjoy on 07.02.2014 at 14:23


From what I can remember that's like every Massacre song ever.

It's been a while since I listened to them to be honest. I like the sound of this song, but if that's indicative of their songwriting I probably won't bother looking further.


It'll be at least better than new Carcass, Joe.

Damn sure about that.
Lit. - 07.02.2014 at 19:26  
 
Written by Cynic Metalhead on 07.02.2014 at 14:56

It'll be at least better than new Carcass, Joe.

Damn sure about that.

Damn sure I disagree with that. If the new song's any indication, I probably won't be checking this out any further as well.
Cynic Metalhead - 07.02.2014 at 20:25  
 
Written by Lit. on 07.02.2014 at 19:26

Written by Cynic Metalhead on 07.02.2014 at 14:56

It'll be at least better than new Carcass, Joe.

Damn sure about that.

Damn sure I disagree with that. If the new song's any indication, I probably won't be checking this out any further as well.


Well, that's your choice.

I'm however damn sure about this disc to better than new Carcass.

Any indication?
deadone - 08.02.2014 at 05:07  
  Wow. Have people actually heard Massacre's old stuff?

Personally I agree with Troy Killjoy - it's like most things Massacre. This shit never progressed past the Florida sound and that's part of the appeal.

I sill find it enjoyable in the same way I enjoy stuff like Cancer - second tier, DM with good riffs and that's enjoyable in a generic kind of way. I still prefer it to Deicide or Obituary but that's maybe cause the sound isn't as muddy or dense. And fucking Blashpererion - holy shit I hate that song with a passion.

As well as new Carcass, haters gonna hate. I wonder how many people actually still crank "old" Carcass to actually have a valid reference point?
Lit. - 08.02.2014 at 06:16  
 
Written by deadone on 08.02.2014 at 05:07

Wow. Have people actually heard Massacre's old stuff?


You mean the fun but generic debut or the just generic sophomoric release?

Written by deadone on 08.02.2014 at 05:07

I sill find it enjoyable in the same way I enjoy stuff like Cancer - second tier, DM with good riffs and that's enjoyable in a generic kind of way. I still prefer it to Deicide or Obituary but that's maybe cause the sound isn't as muddy or dense. And fucking Blashpererion - holy shit I hate that song with a passion.

Cancer are, in my opinion, everything a classic DM band shouldn't be, with their awful production and all-around staleness that that prevents it from being one of those "good generic" DM bands/albums like From Beyond and Deicide's/Obituary's first two.

Written by deadone on 08.02.2014 at 05:07

As well as new Carcass, haters gonna hate. I wonder how many people actually still crank "old" Carcass to actually have a valid reference point?

They can spin their Reek Of Putrifications or their Symphonies Of Sicknesses all they want; the later stuff from Necroticism to Heartwork to even Swansong and Surgical Steel are always gonna be better.
!J.O.O.E.! - 08.02.2014 at 12:57  
 
Written by deadone on 08.02.2014 at 05:07

I wonder how many people actually still crank "old" Carcass to actually have a valid reference point?

Frequently. Necrotism and Heartwork get played on a regular basis. Every time I do the new record gets a little bit worse.

As for Cancer, people should check out my UK death metal list. You won't find Cancer there, and for good reason.
deadone - 10.02.2014 at 00:09  
 
Written by Lit. on 08.02.2014 at 06:16


You mean the fun but generic debut or the just generic sophomoric release?


Fun but generic debut of course.


Quote:
Cancer are, in my opinion, everything a classic DM band shouldn't be, with their awful production and all-around staleness that that prevents it from being one of those "good generic" DM bands/albums like From Beyond and Deicide's/Obituary's first two.


IMO Death Shall Rise is the epitome of generic DM albums. And Hung Drawn Quartered is an absolute classic.

And Deicide made their self titled completely unlistenable due to Blaspherereion. I cannot emphasise how much that song grates with me. And it's smack bang in the middle of the album too.

Quote:

They can spin their Reek Of Putrifications or their Symphonies Of Sicknesses all they want; the later stuff from Necroticism to Heartwork to even Swansong and Surgical Steel are always gonna be better.


I spin it all and enjoy it all to varying degrees.

I just don't understand the hate against Surgical Steel.

Not sure where the issue is? And what were people expecting?

Personally I think it's an improvement over Heartwork as it's less stiff sounding and goes back to Necroticism a bit more comboed up with some decent Swansong elements.

No real bits of Reeks... or Symphonies... but then Carcass themselves don't like their earlier stuff - this out of a couple of interviews in mags ala Terrorizer.
deadone - 10.02.2014 at 00:19  
 
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 08.02.2014 at 12:57

Frequently. Necrotism and Heartwork get played on a regular basis. Every time I do the new record gets a little bit worse.

As for Cancer, people should check out my UK death metal list. You won't find Cancer there, and for good reason.



Actaully one doesn't find Carcass on that list either.
!J.O.O.E.! - 10.02.2014 at 00:29  
 
Written by deadone on 10.02.2014 at 00:19

Actaully one doesn't find Carcass on that list either.

Necrotism could certainly go on there, but that would mean making it 31 albums, which looks scruffy. Everyone and their mother has heard of Carcass anyway.
deadone - 10.02.2014 at 00:38  
 
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 10.02.2014 at 00:29

Written by deadone on 10.02.2014 at 00:19

Actaully one doesn't find Carcass on that list either.

Necrotism could certainly go on there, but that would mean making it 31 albums, which looks scruffy. Everyone and their mother has heard of Carcass anyway.



Same could apply to Akercocke and Napalm Death.

It is meant to be a list of "Finest UK DM" after all? It'd be like doing a Swedish DM and excluding Entombed. Sad pandas may be involved.
!J.O.O.E.! - 10.02.2014 at 00:40  
 
Written by deadone on 10.02.2014 at 00:38

Same could apply to Akercocke and Napalm Death.

It is meant to be a list of "Finest UK DM" after all? It'd be like doing a Swedish DM and excluding Entombed. Sad pandas may be involved.

Akercocke are popular but not in the same league as Napalm Death and Carcass in terms of popularity.

For the time being I'll just say that Necrotism could be regarded more as goregrind and Heartwork more melodeath
deadone - 10.02.2014 at 00:55  
  I wouldn't call Necroticism goregrind.

Reeks is the only time Carcass were true Grindcore. By the time Symphonies came along, they were embracing DM heavily. Necroticism is almost "proto-Melodic Death Metal" with lots of little melodic bits and emphasis on groove. Musically it's also softer than even a lot of Florida DM bands.

And I've never found any difference muscially between grindcore, goregrind, pornogrind or any other such variant. The difference is imagery and lyrics.
Lit. - 10.02.2014 at 01:08  
  Necroticism is most certainly grind, more grind than melodeath, one could say. And it could be called goregrind though since goregrind is basically grind with a disgusting image (which Carcass most certainly had, even if it was smarter than most grind at the time).

Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 10.02.2014 at 00:29

Necrotism could certainly go on there, but that would mean making it 31 albums, which looks scruffy.

Baskin Robbins would like a word with you.
DyingWorld - 10.02.2014 at 01:16  
  From Beyond generic? Not at all. That album was simply a victim of timing. Those songs were already written by 1987 and had it came out around then, Massacre would probably be more well respected. Personally, that was my favorite album when I was just getting into death metal. Unfortunately, this new Massacre is as bland as water flavored pancakes and it hardly sounds like the old stuff. This sounds more like "local band" death metal. I was willing to accept this new Massacre if the new vocalist was a worthy frontman but he doesn't cut it for me. Massacre without Kam Lee is like The Misfits without Glenn Danzig. Plus, where are the riffs? I only heard one real riff in that entire song, around 1:53. Old Massacre was brilliant because of the monstrous vocals and the riffs. I'll try to give this new album a fair listen but if "As We Wait to Die" and that last 7" is any indicator, I won't be impressed.
deadone - 10.02.2014 at 01:28  
 
Written by Lit. on 10.02.2014 at 01:08

Necroticism is most certainly grind, more grind than melodeath, one could say. And it could be called goregrind though since goregrind is basically grind with a disgusting image (which Carcass most certainly had, even if it was smarter than most grind at the time).


Grind?

It's missing all the elements of grindcore:

1. Extreme speed.
2. Extreme short songs.
3. Main focus on blast beats.
4. Extreme vocals including shrieking (these last appeared on Symphonies) - very often rooted in hardcore style vocals.
5. Very often usage of hardcore punk style riffing and song writing.
5. Lack of melody and aversion to conventional song structure (Necroticism is big on both of these)

What does Necroticism have in common with Napalm Death circa 1988, Nasum, Carcass circa 1988, Lock Up, Pig Destroyer, Agoraphobic Nosebleed, etc?


Sorry but do you actually listen to any of this?!?


It reminds me of some people who regarded Bolt Thrower and Godflesh as grind just because they were on Earache in the early years.


And finally lyrics do not make the genre.
deadone - 10.02.2014 at 01:30  
 
Written by DyingWorld on 10.02.2014 at 01:16

From Beyond generic? Not at all. That album was simply a victim of timing. Those songs were already written by 1987 and had it came out around then, Massacre would probably be more well respected.


Well there you go. I never knew this! Does put a bit more of a shine to the album!
fosi - 22.03.2014 at 20:00  
Rating: 9 Great,solid album!!!
Fearmeister - 26.03.2014 at 02:32  
Rating: 4 At least it isn't Promise...
deadone - 26.03.2014 at 03:08  
 
Written by Fearmeister on 26.03.2014 at 02:32

At least it isn't Promise...



What did you expect?

I need to listen to it myself.
Lit. - 26.03.2014 at 04:22  
 
Written by Fearmeister on 26.03.2014 at 02:32

At least it isn't Promise...

I think I'd rather it be Promise.
God Buster 鬼 - 08.04.2014 at 21:06  
 
Quote:
Quote:


I spin it all and enjoy it all to varying degrees.

I just don't understand the hate against Surgical Steel.

Not sure where the issue is? And what were people expecting?

Personally I think it's an improvement over Heartwork as it's less stiff sounding and goes back to Necroticism a bit more comboed up with some decent Swansong elements.



- After listening to Surgical Steel there was a big question mark over me...is this a B-side of Swansong ? Very likely ! Vocalist sounds exactly the same, musical structure and vocals have not been changed for more than past 10 years ! Only carcass themselves know the truth.
- Look at the back of the extra slipcases of all the carcass newly remastered releases (under Earache), the artwork is the same as the front cover art of Surgical Steel ! Proven it was supposed to release by Earache eventually it was sold eveything as a package to Nuclar Blast ! Therefore all the songs were written very long ago and kept by Earache for more than 10 years.
!J.O.O.E.! - 09.04.2014 at 00:12  
 
Written by God Buster 鬼 on 08.04.2014 at 21:06

- After listening to Surgical Steel there was a big question mark over me...is this a B-side of Swansong ? Very likely ! Vocalist sounds exactly the same, musical structure and vocals have not been changed for more than past 10 years ! Only carcass themselves know the truth.

Except Surgical Steel sounded nothing like Swansong bar perhaps a few moments here and there. Not enough to call Surgical Steel a Swansong B-side. It was a mix of Necrotism and Heartwork, albeit taking the weaker elements of both. I'm starting to wonder if you make up half the things you say because your "analyses" are quite ridiculous at the best of times.
God Buster 鬼 - 09.04.2014 at 09:41  
 
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 09.04.2014 at 00:12

Written by God Buster 鬼 on 08.04.2014 at 21:06

- After listening to Surgical Steel there was a big question mark over me...is this a B-side of Swansong ? Very likely ! Vocalist sounds exactly the same, musical structure and vocals have not been changed for more than past 10 years ! Only carcass themselves know the truth.

Except Surgical Steel sounded nothing like Swansong bar perhaps a few moments here and there. Not enough to call Surgical Steel a Swansong B-side. It was a mix of Necrotism and Heartwork, albeit taking the weaker elements of both. I'm starting to wonder if you make up half the things you say because your "analyses" are quite ridiculous at the best of times.

Pardon me, I just started listening metal last week.
I didn't "cook up" anything, whether it's a B-Side or not...it's only my first impression, very personal. Not yet proven by CIA.
deadone - 18.04.2014 at 11:34  
 
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 09.04.2014 at 00:12

Written by God Buster 鬼 on 08.04.2014 at 21:06

- After listening to Surgical Steel there was a big question mark over me...is this a B-side of Swansong ? Very likely ! Vocalist sounds exactly the same, musical structure and vocals have not been changed for more than past 10 years ! Only carcass themselves know the truth.

Except Surgical Steel sounded nothing like Swansong bar perhaps a few moments here and there. Not enough to call Surgical Steel a Swansong B-side. It was a mix of Necrotism and Heartwork, albeit taking the weaker elements of both. I'm starting to wonder if you make up half the things you say because your "analyses" are quite ridiculous at the best of times.



Except Mount Of Execution might as well be on Swansong.

And there's quite a few Swansong moments there.

But I seriously doubt you've spent any time with Surgical Steel (or indeed any Carcass release).
!J.O.O.E.! - 18.04.2014 at 12:01  
 
Written by deadone on 18.04.2014 at 11:34

Except Mount Of Execution might as well be on Swansong.

And there's quite a few Swansong moments there.

But I seriously doubt you've spent any time with Surgical Steel (or indeed any Carcass release).

I've spent enough time with it to know that it's primarily a mix of Heartwork and Necrotism, and that calling Surgical Steel "Swansong B-Side" is patently absurd. I've no doubt you've spent more time with Surgical Steel but the fact you appear to agree with God Buster here shows that listening amounts doesn't amount to much if you can't analyse something with any level of discernibility.
deadone - 18.04.2014 at 12:44  
 
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 18.04.2014 at 12:01

Written by deadone on 18.04.2014 at 11:34

Except Mount Of Execution might as well be on Swansong.

And there's quite a few Swansong moments there.

But I seriously doubt you've spent any time with Surgical Steel (or indeed any Carcass release).

I've spent enough time with it to know that it's primarily a mix of Heartwork and Necrotism, and that calling Surgical Steel "Swansong B-Side" is patently absurd. I've no doubt you've spent more time with Surgical Steel but the fact you appear to agree with God Buster here shows that listening amounts doesn't amount to much if you can't analyse something with any level of discernibility.


The fact that you underplay Swansong elements is proof that you haven't really listened to it. Most of it is closer to Necroticism and Heartwork but the Swansong element is strong.

Oh and the first song is something completely new - a throw back to 1980s Thrash.
!J.O.O.E.! - 18.04.2014 at 12:45  
 
Written by deadone on 18.04.2014 at 12:44

The fact that you underplay Swansong elements is proof that you haven't really listened to it. Most of it is closer to Necroticism and Heartwork but the Swansong element is strong.

Oh and the first song is something completely new - a throw back to 1980s Thrash.

I also know that Surgical Steel is a weaker than Necroticism, Heartwork and Swansong, but that is of course just my opinion
deadone - 18.04.2014 at 12:50  
 
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 18.04.2014 at 12:45

Written by deadone on 18.04.2014 at 12:44

The fact that you underplay Swansong elements is proof that you haven't really listened to it. Most of it is closer to Necroticism and Heartwork but the Swansong element is strong.

Oh and the first song is something completely new - a throw back to 1980s Thrash.

I also know that Surgical Steel is a weaker than Necroticism, Heartwork and Swansong, but that is of course just my opinion


So you know sweet fuck all but you have an opinion. That's good for you.
!J.O.O.E.! - 18.04.2014 at 12:55  
 
Written by deadone on 18.04.2014 at 12:50

So you know sweet fuck all but you have an opinion. That's good for you.

If that angry rationalisation helps you sleep at night then go for it
Marcel Hubregtse - 18.04.2014 at 16:39  
  Back on-topic everyone. This is about the latest bad Massacre album and nto about Surgical Steel's overratedness.
Alex Fenger - 18.04.2014 at 18:07  
Rating: 4
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 18.04.2014 at 16:39

Back on-topic everyone. This is about the latest bad Massacre album and nto about Surgical Steel's overratedness.

Thank you. I was waited for the right moment to insert my opinion.
This album is really bad.
Lit. - 18.04.2014 at 19:21  
  But even Surgical Steel is miles beyond this.
deadone - 19.04.2014 at 01:40  
  From what I've heard I like it in the same generic DM way I enjoy From Beyond.

I wasn't expecting much though in the first place.
Daggon - 11.05.2014 at 06:25  
Rating: 5 I wasn't expecting too much, I don't even like their debut that much, so I didn't know what to expect.
This album should be called "Back From Snore"...
LeKiwi - 04.07.2014 at 16:48  
Rating: 5 One word: simple.

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