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I really hate christianity... i really do, i don't want to offend anyone, but yeah, that's who i feel
but i have to ask, Metalstorm has such restricted rules to admit bands and i have tried to put some really good bands in here, and they still are on the suggestions list, and yet this irrelevant screamcore or metalcore or whatever you wanna call it its here...
is there anyone a fan of this homophobic Metalcore act here? if there are you are an offence to the classic Judas Priest who participated in the roots of Heavy Metal! keep is mind that i said this in a playful way but i do mean it 
but i don't want to be kick out of the site:( |
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Lit. - 12.01.2013 at 16:45
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Written by MauricioVeiga on 12.01.2013 at 15:23
is there anyone a fan of this homophobic Metalcore act here?
In defense of the band (which I've never heard a single note from): The band isn't homophobic, that would imply that everyone in the band is. Which definitely doesn't seem that way if you see the response by the frontman who took care of things with respect and carefulness. |
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| Total respect for the frontman of the band for stepping forward and taking responsibility over something that wasn't really his. |
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| After having read the Facebook clarification it seems to my like the guy just proclaimed "hate the sin", but not "hate the sinner". Nothing wrong with that in my opinion. It's just sticking to the rules of Christianity. That Christianity is full of logical fallacies, with the assumption that the word of humans like Paul, Luke, Moses and whatever their names are would be the word of God probably being the biggest fallacy of all, is another story. |
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Written by Promonex on 12.01.2013 at 18:29
After having read the Facebook clarification it seems to my like the guy just proclaimed "hate the sin", but not "hate the sinner". Nothing wrong with that in my opinion.
Problem with this "hate the sin but not the sinner" thing is, you cannot separate homosexuality (the sin) and a homosexual person (the "sinner"). Christians got that believe that homosexuality is a choice, which is completely false. So when you're saying homosexuality is sin you are in fact discriminating against all homosexuals. It's the same as if you say being black is a sin but you have nothing against a black person. It's ridiculous. Bigotry hidden behind pseudo-tolerant bullshit ("My intention was not to isolate the LGBT community") is still bigotry. |
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| Gay people are awesome, i hope that fuck suffers from erectile disfunction! |
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| Blah Christainity..blah sin....blah homos....blah hate....blah choices....blah life....then we die. no heaven? No hell? Just the dirt I get buried in...okay good I was right! |
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Written by ~Starchild~ on 12.01.2013 at 19:02
Written by Promonex on 12.01.2013 at 18:29
After having read the Facebook clarification it seems to my like the guy just proclaimed "hate the sin", but not "hate the sinner". Nothing wrong with that in my opinion.
Problem with this "hate the sin but not the sinner" thing is, you cannot separate homosexuality (the sin) and a homosexual person (the "sinner"). Christians got that believe that homosexuality is a choice, which is completely false. So when you're saying homosexuality is sin you are in fact discriminating against all homosexuals. It's the same as if you say being black is a sin but you have nothing against a black person. It's ridiculous. Bigotry hidden behind pseudo-tolerant bullshit ("My intention was not to isolate the LGBT community") is still bigotry.
Thank you so much. Couldn't have said it any better myself. |
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Written by MauricioVeiga on 12.01.2013 at 15:23
is there anyone a fan of this homophobic Metalcore act here?
Blah blah blah, yeah, Breaker was a pretty fine album, would not call myself fan though. |
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| Oh boy, the ridiculous things people choose to waste their time on nowadays... -_- |
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Written by Mr. Doctor on 12.01.2013 at 21:03
Couldn't have said it any better myself.
Neither could have I. |
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| He may hate the sin and not the sinner but I guarantee you my hate for people like Mike Reynolds eclipses anything their little brainwashed minds can conjure. |
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Written by ~Starchild~ on 12.01.2013 at 19:02
Christians got that believe that homosexuality is a choice, which is completely false.
Being homosexual is not the sin, practicing homosexuality is ("Thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination"). Even if you're homosexual, it's your choice to follow your nature or not. You probably know as well as I that there are a lot of covert homosexuals out there that live in heterosexual relationships because they fear the condemnation of family, society or deity.
Written by ~Starchild~ on 12.01.2013 at 19:02
Bigotry hidden behind pseudo-tolerant bullshit ("My intention was not to isolate the LGBT community") is still bigotry.
Actually he just stated, if you choose to practice homosexuality, you are not welcome in our religious group. You have the choice to practice homosexuality or to betray yourself and follow the religion/denomination. And for me that's perfectly fine. If you don't like the rules of a specific religious group, just join one with a codex and a liturgy you can deal with. I'm sure there must be liberal Christian groups who don't consider the bible as the be-all and end-all of their religion. Those who eat pork (forbidden by Leviticus 11:8), shellfish (Leviticus 11:10) or wear fabric blends (Leviticus 19:19) or even tattoos (Leviticus 19:28) for example. |
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Y'know who else is living in sin, men without beards.
http://bible.cc/leviticus/19-27.htm |
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LICH - 13.01.2013 at 03:44
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| Bible college ? nigga u gay. |
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thundercunt - 13.01.2013 at 03:48
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Brotha betta watch yo words, i call a cat a ni**a here once and a staff member gamme a warnin
jus look at my profile fo proof dawg |
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Written by Promonex on 12.01.2013 at 23:50
Actually he just stated, if you choose to practice homosexuality, you are not welcome in our religious group. You have the choice to practice homosexuality or to betray yourself and follow the religion/denomination. And for me that's perfectly fine.
Actually, he didn't just state that. He clearly said: "homosexuality is a sin" and referred to homosexuality as a sin several times in his statement. You may call that "sticking to the rules of Christianity", I still call that bigotry, discrimination and hate speech hidden behind religion. (And I am aware all of these other things written in the bible, especially Leviticus, but I'm not gonna start with the Christian's cherry picking, I wouldn't find an end).
Written by Promonex on 12.01.2013 at 23:50
Being homosexual is not the sin, practicing homosexuality is ("Thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination"). Even if you're homosexual, it's your choice to follow your nature or not. You probably know as well as I that there are a lot of covert homosexuals out there that live in heterosexual relationships because they fear the condemnation of family, society or deity.
You're right that -according to the bible- "practising homosexuality" is the sin. But unfortunately, this problem is much bigger. In reality, the majority of the Christians does not make this difference between homosexuality and its practise. Just go on some random homo-friendly facebook page and read some comments. They do condemn the homosexuals and so does the church. And as long as religious institutions and people like Mike Reynolds can hide behind "religious freedom" to spread their hate and people do not even consider this as a problem, it is no wonder that so many gays are still afraid to come out and that the suicide rate of homosexuals is 4-7 times higher than the one of heterosexuals. |
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| Sounds like a nutcase. It was awfully sweet of his former bandmate to apologize on his behalf though, respect for that. |
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| This "Jesus died for people" is the stupidest concept I've ever heard of . and according to Islam which is supposed to come from the same God , Jesus didn't even die . not that I believe in any of these religions. |
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| Mr Promonex is teaching us some really good stuff. Pay attention idiots. |
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| I wonder if Mike Reynolds realises that having tattoos is also considered a sin in the bible? In Leviticus, no less, the same section of the bible that contains the infamous "homosexuals are an abomination" bit. The hypocrisy of these so-called "Christians" knows no bounds... |
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Written by ~Starchild~ on 13.01.2013 at 04:07
They do condemn the homosexuals and so does the church.
Besides, no matter what the subject is, many believers will go beyond what Church says ; When Church officials "just" say "homosexuality is a sin" a lot of people will turn it into "kill the fags for they have sinned". When the officials have to balance their message a bit (so they don't appear too intolerant, or at least try not to) a lot of believers (in France, in the USA, and anywhere else) won't be that nice and will head for the extreme. Since these believers are in daily contact with homosexual people, no wonder a lot prefer to "hide".
So of course Church has to change its message and start being reasonable (and not only on that subject). But most importantly, some of the believers have to stop being fucking antique, Middle-Age-fashionned cunts. |
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| Everyone has a right to their own opinions. I don't understand why everyone is getting butt-hurt over this! |
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Written by infernaldeath87 on 13.01.2013 at 17:52
Everyone has a right to their own opinions. I don't understand why everyone is getting butt-hurt over this!
Do you imply we should be tolerant towards intolerance? |
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Written by Lokaeda on 13.01.2013 at 17:55
Written by infernaldeath87 on 13.01.2013 at 17:52
Everyone has a right to their own opinions. I don't understand why everyone is getting butt-hurt over this!
Do you imply we should be tolerant towards intolerance?
It's not intolerance, it's standing up for what you believe in, even when others condemn you for it. |
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Riiiiiiiiiiight.
Also, I'm yet to see butthurt people here. Just a discussion. |
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Written by Cynic Metalhead on 13.01.2013 at 09:59
Mr Promonex is teaching us some really good stuff. Pay attention idiots.
Actually I'm learning more from Starchild. |
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 13.01.2013 at 19:19
Written by Cynic Metalhead on 13.01.2013 at 09:59
Mr Promonex is teaching us some really good stuff. Pay attention idiots.
Actually I'm learning more from Starchild.
Psssss! Hey Joe... Over here! Pssssss!
[whisper]I think he was joking[/whisper] |
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Written by Mr. Doctor on 13.01.2013 at 19:22
Psssss! Hey Joe... Over here! Pssssss!
[whisper]I think he was joking[/whisper]
I think you forget who you're talking about  |
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 13.01.2013 at 19:28
I think you forget who you're talking about
Yeah, but sometimes I like to have faith in certain people... Hence the word "think". |
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odcrl - 14.01.2013 at 08:14
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| All of you give metal a bad name |
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thundercunt - 14.01.2013 at 16:46
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I hope this cat don think we brothas givin metal a bad name jus cuz we tolerate gays
specially considerin one a the biggest metal bands has a gay singer |
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Written by ~Starchild~ on 13.01.2013 at 04:07
You're right that -according to the bible- "practising homosexuality" is the sin. But unfortunately, this problem is much bigger. In reality, the majority of the Christians does not make this difference between homosexuality and its practise. Just go on some random homo-friendly facebook page and read some comments. They do condemn the homosexuals and so does the church. And as long as religious institutions and people like Mike Reynolds can hide behind "religious freedom" to spread their hate and people do not even consider this as a problem, it is no wonder that so many gays are still afraid to come out and that the suicide rate of homosexuals is 4-7 times higher than the one of heterosexuals.
To be honest, I don't consider religious freedom as a problem. You can't embrace diversity and pluralism if you exclude opinions you don't like. Everybody is entitled to his opinion in my book. What I do consider a problem however is religion's claim to be correct and infallible in combination with its massive impact it has on society and the stupidity of people. So it's true, I don't consider it a problem that he has a homophobic opinion, but I do consider it a problem that religious people think they know they are right when they only believe they are right. And I consider it a problem that these people have a strong political lobby, especially in the US. So yeah, I didn't really take the context into account when making the last post. And this is actually too broad a subject to delve into it any deeper, even though I'd love to. Just ain't got the time and the nerve for it now.
Anyway, here's a beautiful blog post about this subject of homosexuality in the eyes of Christianity: http://www.danoah.com/2011/11/im-christian-unless-youre-gay.html |
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Written by Promonex on 15.01.2013 at 00:52
And this is actually too broad a subject to delve into it any deeper, even though I'd love to. Just ain't got the time and the nerve for it now.
Ok, I'm not gonna bother you any longer Just wanted to clarify one last thing:
Written by Promonex on 15.01.2013 at 00:52
To be honest, I don't consider religious freedom as a problem. You can't embrace diversity and pluralism if you exclude opinions you don't like.
I don't consider religious freedom as a problem, however, in my opinion, it ends where you start to bully other people. These are not trivial opinions like when I say "I think R'n'B sucks", it's hate speech. For me this is exactly the same as an extreme right-wing political party which is discriminating against blacks. It's not an opinion, it's incitement of the people. And that has nothing to do with "embracing diversity and pluralism", I consider that as tolerating or even accepting intolerance which, in itself, is for me already a problem and is something I will never do. It hasn't anything to do with it being "opinions" that I don't like either. I don't like 99% of what Angela Merkel says, but I still think she has the right to speak out.
I do agree with everything you said about knowing and believing and the strong lobby, though. I knew this blog post already, it's really wonderful. Especially knowing that it has changed the world a bit. I don't know if you have read this response of a mother, it immediately went viral as well. |
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Written by ~Starchild~ on 15.01.2013 at 16:46
I don't consider religious freedom as a problem, however, in my opinion, it ends where you start to bully other people.
Exactly.
"Your rights end where mine begin". |
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| To Promo and Starchild: didn't know both links. Both great reads all around. Inspiring |
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Written by Darkside Momo on 18.01.2013 at 21:38
To Promo and Starchild: didn't know both links. Both great reads all around. Inspiring
I read them too. I thought those were good examples and inspiring stories. I hope they are right and things are starting to change. |
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Written by BloodTears on 18.01.2013 at 21:42
I read them too. I thought those were good examples and inspiring stories. I hope they are right and things are starting to change.
well the daddy's blog was all about not just hoping, but teaching by example |
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Written by Darkside Momo on 18.01.2013 at 21:45
well the daddy's blog was all about not just hoping, but teaching by example
True that. It's funny because we have same-sex civil unions in Portugal but our society is still largely against it and discriminates LGBT people a lot. We are full of contradictions as is religion. |
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Written by BloodTears on 18.01.2013 at 21:53
Written by Darkside Momo on 18.01.2013 at 21:45
well the daddy's blog was all about not just hoping, but teaching by example
True that. It's funny because we have same-sex civil unions in Portugal but our society is still largely against it and discriminates LGBT people a lot. We are full of contradictions as is religion.
In France it's the big societal debate right now. F. Hollande promised gay would have marriage rights during the presidential election, and now the debate is in full swing before the law text is written and discussed in the parliament.
It seems most people just don't care, whatever last sunday's big demonstration tried to prove. |
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afu - 19.01.2013 at 07:54
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| They said they would die for me..... Can I get an amen? |
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