It's one of the best albums I've listened! amazing!

Written by Got Mayhem? on 29.04.2010 at 23:05

Yea...it just isn't that good at all.It sounds like Jari just tried to fit at many possible genres into this thing as possible. It's just all over the place musically.

You know what? Fuck you , if there were less genres you would have bitched about it not being diverse.

At this point your not being objective ,you're looking for something to whine about just because no one is blindly kissing ass at whatever band you're in to.

I am objective , I hated Sadness and Hate ,and I never thought it was a perfect album,but you know what it is?...Fucking awesome.For a debut its amazing,for an album created almost single-handedly by Jari Maenpaa its great .
Is it the second coming? No ,but its a damn good experience reeking of majesty for the majority of the tracks

Overrated? Fuck you,most metalheads haven't even heard of it. Most of you people are trying to find a fault to the album and the band.There are faults don't get me wrong ,but you're heading into a territory of sadism ,insulting a great band just to fuel your own sick need to lower things because of your own inferiority.Again this only applies to some of you,I'm not saying those who say "It was agreat effort,but I never managed to get into it" or something along those lines, but those who blindly say "Overrated Overhyped musical shit".
I spit on you.

Everything in perspective ,Wintersun is a great band ,with a great debut,with one or two lacklustre tracks and an annoying need for perfection that transcends Time

See what I did there

Written by LEOdrake on 06.11.2010 at 20:42

Written by Got Mayhem? on 29.04.2010 at 23:05

Yea...it just isn't that good at all.It sounds like Jari just tried to fit at many possible genres into this thing as possible. It's just all over the place musically.

You know what? Fuck you , if there were less genres you would have bitched about it not being diverse.

At this point your not being objective ,you're looking for something to whine about just because no one is blindly kissing ass at whatever band you're in to.

I am objective , I hated Sadness and Hate ,and I never thought it was a perfect album,but you know what it is?...Fucking awesome.For a debut its amazing,for an album created almost single-handedly by Jari Maenpaa its great .
Is it the second coming? No ,but its a damn good experience reeking of majesty for the majority of the tracks

Overrated? Fuck you,most metalheads haven't even heard of it. Most of you people are trying to find a fault to the album and the band.There are faults don't get me wrong ,but you're heading into a territory of sadism ,insulting a great band just to fuel your own sick need to lower things because of your own inferiority.Again this only applies to some of you,I'm not saying those who say "It was agreat effort,but I never managed to get into it" or something along those lines, but those who blindly say "Overrated Overhyped musical shit".
I spit on you.

Everything in perspective ,Wintersun is a great band ,with a great debut,with one or two lacklustre tracks and an annoying need for perfection that transcends Time

See what I did there

Here you go

People have their own opinions. Get over it.

Most metalheads haven't heard of it?

On the other hand, it's overhyped everywhere.

Written by Got Mayhem? on 07.11.2010 at 02:36

Here you go

People have their own opinions. Get over it.

Are we really resorting to the own opinions argument

Written by LEOdrake on 07.11.2010 at 12:09

Written by Got Mayhem? on 07.11.2010 at 02:36

Here you go

People have their own opinions. Get over it.

Are we really resorting to the own opinions argument

Argument? It's a fact. I dont like it. Some people do. I'm not going around telling them they're wrong though, because that's their opinion. I can offer evidence to support my own ideas about the album but that's just about it. Doing anything more is taking a trip into Asshat territory, which you seem to be very well traveled in.

I can tell you'll last a very long time here. And by that I mean, It's my opinion that you will likely piss off the wrong person in the near future.

The artwork is better than the album itself. But it is good, it's just that one song on it almost puts the other songs to shame - Death and the healing. That song alone makes it an album worth having, but it's too damn awesome for the album's own good and after having listened to the album over a dozen times, it's still the only song that keeps ringing in my head.

Sounds good but the last track "Sadness and Hate" is the funniest song in metal history.. everytime i listen to that track when he start growling a few seconds into the song it sounded like he farted..

Brilliant album loved it

I'm not insulting the album, here, but I'm thinking 10 ratings are being slung around a little too carefreely. 10 is for the most brilliant crap of metal history, not a "great album, loved it." Its not bad at all, though. I'm probably gonna buy it soon.

Sour to see so many "overrated" claims from headbangers and even stuff.
If you think twice of the word, it only says "my impression is superior to yours", how pathetic, without content, just shouting "me, me, look at me".
Can't you just say "i don't like it, because..." subjectively, "it's polarizing" objectively, or something more suited for discussion and less suited for flame?
Paradoxically, all those using "overrated" have impression of themselves quite overrated :-).

Written by Cryzpin on 29.12.2010 at 16:46

Sour to see so many "overrated" claims from headbangers and even stuff.
If you think twice of the word, it only says "my impression is superior to yours", how pathetic, without content, just shouting "me, me, look at me".
Can't you just say "i don't like it, because..." subjectively, "it's polarizing" objectively, or something more suited for discussion and less suited for flame?
Paradoxically, all those using "overrated" have impression of themselves quite overrated :-).

No flaming in saying it's overrated.




(because it is)

Written by vezzy on 29.12.2010 at 16:53

(because it is) [overrated]

Well, you said that twice already, any argument for it? Or it's just "i don't like it so all who does knows shit" thing?

It's a pretty average album, nothing has truly impressed me about it and it has that somewhat laughable cheery keyboard backup. Very well produced (in fact, I'd say overproduced), but that isn't a deciding factor in quality at the end of the day, unless you recorded it by plugging a Walkman into a speaker.

Basically an overproduced, sugar sweet album that people are somehow wooed into by its EPIC MAJESTIC atmosphere. Lots of solos and basic riffs to go with it.

also:

Fact:
How an album is received by the general public doesn't reflect its quality.

Bullshit:
Homeopathy.

Written by vezzy on 29.12.2010 at 18:22

Fact:
How an album is received by the general public doesn't reflect its quality.

True.

P.S. This average album is quite overrated.

Great album from a great band. hope to hear more when the get done the long awaited follow up. Though, the term "Extreme Power Metal" is a little odd.

I don't really see how people need 4 reviews saying basically the same thing regarding an album.

Written by Valentin B on 02.02.2011 at 00:42

I don't really see how people need 4 reviews saying basically the same thing regarding an album.

I concur...maybe someone should actually be reviewing the mindblowing albums of 2010. Mainly, Shining [NOR]'s Blackjazz.

Written by Cryzpin on 29.12.2010 at 17:35

Written by vezzy on 29.12.2010 at 16:53

(because it is) [overrated]

Well, you said that twice already, any argument for it? Or it's just "i don't like it so all who does knows shit" thing?

It's hard not to get this attitude when people worship it as some kind of work of genius when it's a pretty basic power metal album with some harsh vocals and blast beats thrown in.

Also, your saying it's not overrated is no more valid than us who say it is overrated.

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It's hard not to get this attitude when people worship it as some kind of work of genius when it's a pretty basic power metal album with some harsh vocals and blast beats thrown in.

Also, your saying it's not overrated is no more valid than us who say it is overrated.

I agree the album is pretty simple and doesn't bring much new, but complexity and progressiveness are not neccesary for emotional resonance to arise, which is imo the greatest objective of music. And this one somehow resonates with so many people, as always not with everyone, but still it's remarkable.

Ad (not)under/overrating, i didn't state either. I just claimed such stances to be quite egocentric and unconstructive, no offense.

Written by Doc G. on 02.02.2011 at 23:23

it's a pretty basic power metal album with some harsh vocals and blast beats thrown in.

I would describe it exactly in these terms.

Best album all time!!!!!!!!!:metal:

My personal favorite band/album! Highly recommend it!:banger2:

This album gets way more hype than it deserves IMO. I've listened to it a bunch of times and I still don't get why everyone seems to be insane about it. It's pretty good, but it's far from being anything spectacular.

It was definitely a grower for me, but the more I listened the more I started to love it. The speed of "Beyond the Dark Sun", "Winter Madness", "Starchild", and "Battle Against Time". And the pure epic power of "Beautiful Death" and "Sadness and Hate". "Death and the Healing" has one of the most beautiful solos I've ever heard, and I love the "Winter Madness" solo. The only track I wasn't crazy about was "Sleeping Stars", but it's still a decent one and doesn't bring the album down as a whole.

Written by Bloody Rain on 19.02.2011 at 01:20

This album gets way more hype than it deserves IMO. I've listened to it a bunch of times and I still don't get why everyone seems to be insane about it. It's pretty good, but it's far from being anything spectacular.

This

Written by Bloody Rain on 19.02.2011 at 01:20

This album gets way more hype than it deserves IMO. I've listened to it a bunch of times and I still don't get why everyone seems to be insane about it. It's pretty good, but it's far from being anything spectacular.

Well for me...when this album first came out, I was still in my early stages of discovering metal outside of In Flames, COB and Soilwork (and stuff like Metallica, Megadeth and Iron Maiden). So this was one of the first albums of its kind that I listened to, and personally it blew me away.

If I had heard this album for the first time, now...then perhaps my opinion would have been slightly different. I still would have enjoyed it no doubt though.

I didnt really like this album at first but now I listen to it at least once a week. I hate how lame they are being about the next album though ...

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Well for me...when this album first came out, I was still in my early stages of discovering metal outside of In Flames, COB and Soilwork (and stuff like Metallica, Megadeth and Iron Maiden). So this was one of the first albums of its kind that I listened to, and personally it blew me away.

If I had heard this album for the first time, now...then perhaps my opinion would have been slightly different. I still would have enjoyed it no doubt though.

How the times have changed eh? When I was first getting into metal I considered this album and stuff like COB and Norther to be Melodic Death Metal. I still do in all reality, none of this extreme power metal crap. That whole fiasco probably explains my personal bias against Newer Melodic Death Metal bands simply because it all sounds like the bands I listened to when I first started getting into metal. Personally I place this album at like an 8.2-8.4 and not the 9 it currently holds. Don't get me wrong its a good album but its not "Fantastic" and doesn't exactly stand out. Like you listening to it now compared to when I was first getting into metal the opinion of it is slightly lower.

---Top 10 ''Wintersun''---
1-.Winter Madness
2-.Beyond The Dark Sun
3-.Battle Against Time
4-.Starchild
5-.Death And The Healing
6-.Beautiful Death
7-.Sleeping Stars
8-.Time
9-.Sons Of Winter and Stars
10-.The Way Of The Fire