Ragana Rawrcat
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Written by Ernis on 05.06.2010 at 14:28
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Written by Ragana on 04.06.2010 at 19:14
What is fucked up here (as I see) is that the investigation doesn't seem to be neutral.
neither are you
Of course... because Baltic States adore the US... the US and Israel are practically the same entity... they bring democracy to us and we are so happy because of it...
I don't even know what is the position of the Baltic states. All I know is that my country sees Israel as the only side to blame in this conflict, I cannot speak for the other two Baltic states.
I'm perfectly aware of not being neutral - I never said I was neutral so I don't see why am I being reproached for explaining my point of view. As a matter of fact, none of us here is neutral unless there? someone who is not a human being.
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Ellrohir Heaven Knight
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I "feel" for those activists only as much as for a child who was x-times told by parents not to do something and still did it for x+1st time...then was beaten and now it cries...
you are not going to break fence of a military base, unless you are asking for being shot...
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Bad English Tage Westerlund
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Written by Ellrohir on 06.06.2010 at 21:46
I "feel" for those activists only as much as for a child who was x-times told by parents not to do something and still did it for x+1st time...then was beaten and now it cries...
you are not going to break fence of a military base, unless you are asking for being shot...
Good post ... maybe best here
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Written by Ellrohir on 06.06.2010 at 21:46
you are not going to break fence of a military base, unless you are asking for being shot...
If the international waters are fence of Israeli Military Force, then sure.
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Ellrohir Heaven Knight
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The naval blockade is there for a reason...
where are the pics of Israeli school buses and coffees destroyed by suicide bombers? where are heart-breaking stories about Israeli people who lost their relatives because of PALESTINIAN terrorists?
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Bad English Tage Westerlund
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Written by Ellrohir on 07.06.2010 at 15:02
The naval blockade is there for a reason...
where are the pics of Israeli school buses and coffees destroyed by suicide bombers? where are heart-breaking stories about Israeli people who lost their relatives because of PALESTINIAN terrorists?
Thats what I talk about? How terrorists and nations who support Terorist can be innocent?
I be happy If Isreal be so huge like turky whot so many people Isreali is or safty garanties, just wounder what people would say if thay lost leg in suicide bombing?
Isrealians never blow tham selfs up in own land and Europe , but muslim terrorist do, so being europian, loving Europe, living free here Im woried, vecause I dontw ant die of some stupid muslim terrorists who blows up....who use religion for it
Just wonder if men who do suicide in name of Allah in paradise get 70 virgins, what will get women who do it...70 male virgins
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Black Winter
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Written by Ellrohir on 07.06.2010 at 15:02
The naval blockade is there for a reason...
where are the pics of Israeli school buses and coffees destroyed by suicide bombers? where are heart-breaking stories about Israeli people who lost their relatives because of PALESTINIAN terrorists?
First, this is not the subject here
second, I assure these pictures are everywhere, amercian media and israeli propaganda( and some individuals) are doing their best
Third, ask for the pictures of palestinian victims, tens of times more,
Fourth, it has been a long time ago, years that such things didn't happen
Fifth, I still don't understand how a sane honest human,with no narrow interests would stand in the side of israel in their crimes,really, shame on them.
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Black Winter
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Written by Bad English on 07.06.2010 at 15:11
Written by Ellrohir on 07.06.2010 at 15:02
The naval blockade is there for a reason...
where are the pics of Israeli school buses and coffees destroyed by suicide bombers? where are heart-breaking stories about Israeli people who lost their relatives because of PALESTINIAN terrorists?
Thats what I talk about? How terrorists and nations who support Terorist can be innocent?
I be happy If Isreal be so huge like turky whot so many people Isreali is or safty garanties, just wounder what people would say if thay lost leg in suicide bombing?
Isrealians never blow tham selfs up in own land and Europe , but muslim terrorist do, so being europian, loving Europe, living free here Im woried, vecause I dontw ant die of some stupid muslim terrorists who blows up....who use religion for it
Just wonder if men who do suicide in name of Allah in paradise get 70 virgins, what will get women who do it...70 male virgins
I'm just amazed of the simplicity of your mind k7 , really, ignornance is a catastrophy.
And again, please stick to the subject .
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Bad English Tage Westerlund
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My statment is Israel has wrights do all to defend teritory and jewish people, and there is reaosn why Gaza has blocked, simply hamas lounch mortals and shoot rockets to Israel, stop doing it and nobody wont block Gaza,
Jews did because of terror act, its not crime? But accident all world are mad when some terrorist die in act of war
USA attack to Afgantsian because of 11.09, if there was not that teror act stupid Taleban still be ruled in Agnatsian and bin laden cal live in his tora bora cave saftly not hiding somewhere like covard.
Simply hamas shood give up to Isreal or UN solders and than Isreal shood stop block Gaza big deel, no thayw ant destroy Isreal, more thay want more palestinians will suffer and islam get bad name
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Zombie Thrash'tillDeath
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What really happened; the retarded version:
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Bad English Tage Westerlund
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That pic those countries , non of true, real, pure sweed(I talk like nazie ), and non of my friends support Izreal, only Swedish muslim comunity , same are in UK, Germany etc and Turky shood think about what support because such action can close EU doors for 10-20 years or eterniry
I think people in islam countries never understand what is an terorism, whyle some blow iup in mosk, market place whatever
Isreal was, are, and will be, never disapear and never will, can you get over it. I donbt care about palestin, I would like get those donations my self, Im poor, cant by ticket to hellfest and pay for road... so
Old days Palestinians go in isreal work there life free, till hames and suicide bombers fuck all up.
Ok why Egypt, Iran, Irak dont give some theritory from country and made new Palestine there?
Or Palestinian people simnply give up terrorist names, its simple. If palestien be so innocent UN , USA would make bigger presure to Isreal, thay dont why? Because Palestinian terrorist are responisbled for many inocent jews and europians and american people life and for me who use plains its important because I want fly safe not be blow up, because of some idiot decide teach world lessen,
Stop blowing bombs, give up bin laden, hames leader and you will see UN, EU, NATO will make presure to Isreal if thay do ''crimes'' and defendeing land in war is not crime, in each war civilian casualties are and will be so
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Zombie Thrash'tillDeath
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A good 99.9% of the world population never heard of the term "islamic terrorism" before the alleged 9/11 happened ... so, just think about it.
i'm not saying that there aren't muslim terrorists, yes, there are... but MOST palestinis aren't, and hamas only came to power 2 or 3 years ago... so, if today's violence against palestinians is justified by hamas, how can u justify all the violence in those past 50 years? also, israel keep occupying new palestinian territory until THIS day and build more settlements, .. so, how is occupying new land considred a "defense against terrorism" ? they're just pissing them off more and more and creating futureless, hopless suicide bombers who lost all faith and hope in a better 2moro.
btw, the UN and USA wont ever pressure isreal, they never had, and never will
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Bad English Tage Westerlund
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Well when I was kid I know about Abu Nidal Brigade, Hamas, Hesballah, and opther terrorist organisation and
Blowing up sinagoga in Buenos Aires, something in Roma, kidnaped airplains, greek ships, how many people was kidnaped in 70' in Lebanon?
Besides according to many palestinians and jews(not orthodox, I hate orthodox jews to, thay think thay are more better, stand higher how other nations) live friendly.
Even Hamas came 2-3 ago, teroist groop was active in 70's and till thay will lounch rockets to Isreal Isreal will do all to stop it, there no solution, only way is Hamas give up all weapons and no terorism , but same time Isreal shood do something to like not build houses etc
Only causlaities in this shit are civiliansd and innocent people and besides remeber Isreal army solders take orders from generals, but suicide bommers do it because thay want and its diference.
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Zombie Thrash'tillDeath
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True, violence is never the solution to any problem ...
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Bad English Tage Westerlund
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Written by Zombie on 09.06.2010 at 21:16
True, violence is never the solution to any problem ...
besides you lost friend in real life and intermnet to because of shit
Like SAMCRO sad brains beffor bullets, soemtimes I do otherway but hope I get smarter/wiser when be older
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Ellrohir Heaven Knight
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First (unsuccessful) bomb attack on WTC was in 1993...Bin Laden was attacking US embassies in late 90ties...so dont tell me Islamic terrorism is something so new...
btw. thank for the picture
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Valentin B Iconoclast
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Written by Kennoth on 07.06.2010 at 01:06
Written by Ellrohir on 06.06.2010 at 21:46
you are not going to break fence of a military base, unless you are asking for being shot...
If the international waters are fence of Israeli Military Force, then sure.
they had to land on a piece of land you know.. land which is currently in the war zone.
@Ellrohir i support your opinion, people are being way too anal about this problem, the only thing is: how can the israeli military know that indeed the ship was transporting food and supplies for the terrorists and not for the actual civilians in gaza? if that was the case then yeah, they had a right to attack the ship, but if not, then i'm sorry but that was a crime against humanity.
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Ellrohir Heaven Knight
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Today i read in news a story about Mexican teenager who was shot to death by US border guards while being on the OPPOSITE (=Mexican) side of borders...however, not only i didnt noticed a wave of protests about this "crime against humanity", i even noticed most readers' comments are like "they clearly didnt shoot without a reason" (the news say, there was some bullying from the Mexicans - stone throwing, nasty words, whatever...)
so i say the same about Israeli army - they clearly didnt shoot without a reason...and i am pretty sure the "victims" know it well...if nothing, one week before they were told "do not try to pass the navy blockade, or we will act with power"...also this shouts "Go back to Auschwitz!" instead of obeying orders...also this solider stabbed into stomach after entering the board...
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Valentin B Iconoclast
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Written by Ellrohir on 09.06.2010 at 22:43
Today i read in news a story about Mexican teenager who was shot to death by US border guards while being on the OPPOSITE (=Mexican) side of borders...however, not only i didnt noticed a wave of protests about this "crime against humanity", i even noticed most readers' comments are like "they clearly didnt shoot without a reason" (the news say, there was some bullying from the Mexicans - stone throwing, nasty words, whatever...)
so i say the same about Israeli army - they clearly didnt shoot without a reason...and i am pretty sure the "victims" know it well...if nothing, one week before they were told "do not try to pass the navy blockade, or we will act with power"...also this shouts "Go back to Auschwitz!" instead of obeying orders...also this solider stabbed into stomach after entering the board...
yeah, i guess provocation is the keyword here. i guess in a peaceful setting freedom of speech should be the norm, but in dangerous situations like these you can't expect to shout horrible things like that and not expect some kind of retribution(imo not the case with the mexican dude, but that's another story entirely, at least there isn't a war between US and Mexico).
also, if the activists were so peaceful and nice why did they in fact resort to violence to try and get to the shore? something is definitely fishy here. if presumably they're peace activists they should know better than that, right?
they either had so much zeal to get the food/supplies to the people of gaza that they fought off the commandos, OR they were secretly trying to ship weapons and ammo to Fatah... i think the second possibility is the most likely. after all, other ships surrendered peacefully, why couldn't these guys do that?
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Angelic Storm Melodious
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I am pretty neutral on this. While I most definitely do condemn islamic terrorists, and indeed, all forms of terrorism, I fail to see how anyone could come to the conclusion that Israel is entirely blameless for the conflicts between themselves and Palestine.
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Bad English Tage Westerlund
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Written by Ellrohir on 09.06.2010 at 22:09
First (unsuccessful) bomb attack on WTC was in 1993...Bin Laden was attacking US embassies in late 90ties...so dont tell me Islamic terrorism is something so new...
btw. thank for the picture
WTC what is it?
Man remeber Munchen Olympics, Abu nidal, Islam Jihad, Libia, Lebanon etc 70's many kidnaping, killings,
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Ragana Rawrcat
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Written by Bad English on 10.06.2010 at 01:10
WTC what is it?
World Trade Center, New York, 11.09.2001.
Unless Israelis soldiers had superpowers (such as skill of seeing through metal) they couldn't tell what's in those ships by looking at them from a great distance, so it's obvious they wanted to check them, what's so bad about it? Those activists must have known the ships would be checked before going further.
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Bad English Tage Westerlund
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Written by Ragana on 10.06.2010 at 01:21
Written by Bad English on 10.06.2010 at 01:10
WTC what is it?
World Trade Center, New York, 11.09.2001.
Unless Israelis soldiers had superpowers (such as skill of seeing through metal) they couldn't tell what's in those ships by looking at them from a great distance, so it's obvious they wanted to check them, what's so bad about it? Those activists must have known the ships would be checked before going further.
I shood know it
Isreal has one of best armies in world, whit out nuclear bomb Isreal is unbetible, thay use modern techologies like see heating in desert, so terrorist in cold cold desert night wear wet uniform to enter in Isreal and so on...in open war Isrealmonce defided Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, and crush all Egypts airforce, its 7 days war
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Ragana Rawrcat
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Hmm... it was 6 day war if I remember correctly. I know some details about Israel's history since I had to make a presentation about it in September.
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Bad English Tage Westerlund
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Written by Ragana on 10.06.2010 at 02:36
Hmm... it was 6 day war if I remember correctly. I know some details about Israel's history since I had to make a presentation about it in September.
In those days Isreal can crush whole countries, maybe destroy tham complitley , and if beck than be such terrorism I belive many people be killed because thay even support it
Now I think isreal can do same, but Iran fucking aroundsd sinec UN can9or dont want) make presure to tham, because nuclear bomb.
Isreal are best army and anti terror units in the world, besides thay have diplomatical imunicity, thayt can not be judged in other states , even can be arrested for speeding outside Isreal , even thay kill 100 civilians
Living in such conditioons thay learnds a lot
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Zombie Thrash'tillDeath
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So, how bout that irish flotilla "rachel corey" that was captured near gaza shores last saturday, and forced people on board to sign a paper that they would not sue the israeli government ?
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Black Winter
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Written by Ragana on 10.06.2010 at 01:21
Written by Bad English on 10.06.2010 at 01:10
WTC what is it?
World Trade Center, New York, 11.09.2001.
Unless Israelis soldiers had superpowers (such as skill of seeing through metal) they couldn't tell what's in those ships by looking at them from a great distance, so it's obvious they wanted to check them, what's so bad about it? Those activists must have known the ships would be checked before going further.
You think those ships left TURKEY loaded with weapons?!!!! it's not an american movie you know.
what a lame argument!
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Ragana Rawrcat
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Do you see the word "weapons" anywhere in my post? Read again, please.
I said those activists should have known that no one can just break a blockade without being searched. Think of it as travelling by plane - you cannot get further in or out of the airport without being checked no matter how innocent are your looks. It is a completely normal process, don't you agree?
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Zombie Thrash'tillDeath
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Written by Ragana on 10.06.2010 at 17:37
Do you see the word "weapons" anywhere in my post? Read again, please.
I said those activists should have known that no one can just break a blockade without being searched. Think of it as travelling by plane - you cannot get further in or out of the airport without being checked no matter how innocent are your looks. It is a completely normal process, don't you agree?
it is normal when you're going into israeli territory, but when you're going to gaza.. that's something else...
OR ...
you consider gaza to be a PART of israel... and in that case, the gaza people should have the same rights as the israeli people.. and not have a blockade that prevents:
* sage
* cardamom
* coriander
* ginger
* jam
* halva
* vinegar
* nutmeg
* chocolate
* fruit preserves
* seeds and nuts
* biscuits and sweets
* potato chips
* gas for soft drinks
* dried fruit
* fresh meats
* plaster
* tar
* wood
* cement
* iron
* glucose
* industrial salt
* plastic/glass/metal containers
* industrial margarine
* tarpaulin sheets
* fabric (for clothing)
* flavor and smell enhancers
* fishing rods
* fishing nets
* buoys
* ropes
* nylon netting for greenhouses
* hatcheries and spare parts for hatcheries
* spare parts for tractors
* dairies for cowsheds
* irrigation pipe systems
* planters (for saplings)
* heaters
* musical instruments
* size A4 paper (letter/legal size)
* writing implements
* notebooks
* toys
* razors
* sewing machines
* horses
* donkeys
* goats
* cattle
* chickens
...etc
tell me EXACTLY how can you make a freaking BOMB out of fabric? or a toy? or fishing nets !!!
i understand that you'd take sides with israel, we all take sides (apparently me and black winter are taking palestine's side) so its perfectly normal for you to favor one side over the other, but whet i dont understand is how do u prevent the human inside you from sympthizing with those poor citizens of gaza who cant get any means of nutrition, cannot rebuild their destructed homes, and cannot even have sewing machines to make clothing !! ... is this in ANY WAY human to you ? ... those are human beings like you and me whose ONLY fault is that they did not abandon their homeland and still live in the remains of their demolished country, hungry, naked, and sick.. if they were freaking animals you'd sympathize with them !!!
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Matis
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Written by Ragana on 10.06.2010 at 17:37
Do you see the word "weapons" anywhere in my post? Read again, please.
I said those activists should have known that no one can just break a blockade without being searched. Think of it as travelling by plane - you cannot get further in or out of the airport without being checked no matter how innocent are your looks. It is a completely normal process, don't you agree?
I dont' think you mean "Attackin' humanitarian fotilla" when you say normal process ^^ do you ?
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