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Posted by Baz Anderson on 15.03.2011 at 18:14
This is your place to report mistakes with our featured bands, in the same way as the last thread:

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LeKiwi
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  30.09.2014 at 23:07
Written by D.T. Metal on 30.09.2014 at 22:25

ok - I posted in the album style topic as well. From now on, and since we have the album style feature, DO NOT change the band style a million times if a band puts out an 'out of style' album. That's the whole reason we implemented this.
So, for Carbonized - were they mainly a grindcore band (I guess deathgrind would work better since apparently they played dm also?) or a progressive avantgarde metal band? Stick with the genre the band is known for and just edit the albums accordingly.

That's confusing since there seems to be a lack of consistency on the site in accordance with that proposition. For instance, shouldn't Opeth be only extreme prog with Damnation, Heritage, and their latest edited accordingly? Isn't the album style edit only for outlier albums?
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  30.09.2014 at 23:33
Written by LeKiwi on 30.09.2014 at 23:07

Written by D.T. Metal on 30.09.2014 at 22:25

ok - I posted in the album style topic as well. From now on, and since we have the album style feature, DO NOT change the band style a million times if a band puts out an 'out of style' album. That's the whole reason we implemented this.
So, for Carbonized - were they mainly a grindcore band (I guess deathgrind would work better since apparently they played dm also?) or a progressive avantgarde metal band? Stick with the genre the band is known for and just edit the albums accordingly.

That's confusing since there seems to be a lack of consistency on the site in accordance with that proposition. For instance, shouldn't Opeth be only extreme prog with Damnation, Heritage, and their latest edited accordingly? Isn't the album style edit only for outlier albums?

Well, the album style feature is a new thing - started not that long ago and hence the lack of consistency.
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  30.09.2014 at 23:44
Written by D.T. Metal on 30.09.2014 at 23:33

Well, the album style feature is a new thing - started not that long ago and hence the lack of consistency.

So...where do we draw the line between whether a band has a consistent style or not? A certain percentage of their discography? Certain number of albums?
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  01.10.2014 at 01:09
Written by LeKiwi on 30.09.2014 at 23:44

So...where do we draw the line between whether a band has a consistent style or not? A certain percentage of their discography? Certain number of albums?

Usually, unless the band does a total switch in genres, from black metal to gothic or something like that, the main genre of the band should stay the same. Most of the bands have one or two albums which are off, and to be honest, it's usually not the entire album, but rather a song or two, or there are other sounds incorporated which are out of the norm for them.
So, before you change the entire genre tag of the band, make sure they REALLY totally switch over to a new one. Like ALL the songs on the album are genre x and not just 'well, but the second song sounds gothic to me'.
LeKiwi
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  01.10.2014 at 02:13
Written by D.T. Metal on 01.10.2014 at 01:09

Usually, unless the band does a total switch in genres, from black metal to gothic or something like that, the main genre of the band should stay the same. Most of the bands have one or two albums which are off, and to be honest, it's usually not the entire album, but rather a song or two, or there are other sounds incorporated which are out of the norm for them.
So, before you change the entire genre tag of the band, make sure they REALLY totally switch over to a new one. Like ALL the songs on the album are genre x and not just 'well, but the second song sounds gothic to me'.

Makes sense. Carbonized is hard to categorise. There's not much more we can do to clean up their profile.
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  01.10.2014 at 02:29
Lekiwi
Kreator is best example thrash is main genre and 2 was like gothic
Opeth in last 2 -3 albums band seems turn to pure prog rock sound and goes away from old genre and seems in those cases we simply add new genre and keep old ...might put back old if thet next album be like old school

@DT
what to do whit Nocturnal Rites
1-2 demo was death metal and after it, it was power metal and still is
do we put DM at both demos or leave DM in main profile?
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  01.10.2014 at 03:55
Written by Bad English on 01.10.2014 at 02:29

@DT
what to do whit Nocturnal Rites
1-2 demo was death metal and after it, it was power metal and still is
do we put DM at both demos or leave DM in main profile?

if the two demos were DM then leave it like this in the profile to reflect it. ARE they now pure power metal? If so then those other styles make no sense "thrash heavy metal" no such thing and power heavy metal .... hmmm. They are either heavy metal or power metal - pick one.
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  01.10.2014 at 13:47
Written by D.T. Metal on 01.10.2014 at 03:55

Written by Bad English on 01.10.2014 at 02:29

@DT
what to do whit Nocturnal Rites
1-2 demo was death metal and after it, it was power metal and still is
do we put DM at both demos or leave DM in main profile?

if the two demos were DM then leave it like this in the profile to reflect it. ARE they now pure power metal? If so then those other styles make no sense "thrash heavy metal" no such thing and power heavy metal .... hmmm. They are either heavy metal or power metal - pick one.


I dunno, I was using it as example . I don't know so much band, but IMO those genres are good ... but what I mean is example when demow as like X and after demo only Y genre
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  02.10.2014 at 16:13
Additional style suggestion for Oddland:

2010- Math metal or Avantgarde metal

While rooted in fairly traditional prog, Oddland innovatively use Meshuggah style polymeters. It's also extensive enough to warrant an additional style tag. It all comes down to how Math metal is generally understood, Oddland use virtually no harsh vocals for example. Wikipedia articles on Meshuggah tend to describe them either experimental or avantgarde.





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  02.10.2014 at 23:25
Someone should probably take a look at The Contortionist's profile. They're down as progressive deathcore but at some point they went on to play more ambient / progressive metal instead.
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  02.10.2014 at 23:28
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 02.10.2014 at 23:25

Someone should probably take a look at The Contortionist's profile. They're down as progressive deathcore but at some point they went on to play more ambient / progressive metal instead.


I can fix it give me years and how it should look like
I dunno band so ...
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  02.10.2014 at 23:29
Written by Bad English on 02.10.2014 at 23:28


I can fix it give me years and how it should look like
I dunno band so ...

I'm only familiar with their latest album so I don't know either. I'm guessing they haven't been deathcore for a while though.
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  02.10.2014 at 23:31
Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 02.10.2014 at 23:29

Written by Bad English on 02.10.2014 at 23:28


I can fix it give me years and how it should look like
I dunno band so ...

I'm only familiar with their latest album so I don't know either. I'm guessing they haven't been deathcore for a while though.


then I leave it for Troy to fix .. I don't do genres to unknown bands (maybe if they has no genre, I add temporally
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  08.10.2014 at 12:39
@Staff

Why we cant trust to MA

Charles Greywolf

Guy did edit his profile

Quote:
Source: http://www.powerwolf.net/2011/matthew-greywolf.htm http://www.metal-archives.com/artists/Matthew_Greywolf/9936# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerwolf
I haven't modified anything since I don't know how to correct this, but it seems that wikipedia and metal-archives agree that Matthew Greywolf is Benjamin Buss [http://www.metalstorm.net/bands/bandmember.php?member_id=2048] and therefore there's a duplicate. Powerwolf's official site doesn't mention Mathew's real name, but it mentions his birthday, which coincides with Benjamin's. The same case can be made for Charles Greywolf [http://www.metalstorm.net/bands/bandmember.php?member_id=9745] and David Vogt [http://www.metalstorm.net/bands/bandmember.php?member_id=18039], again with the same wiki, m-a and birthday arguments. The Stefan Gemballa [http://www.metalstorm.net/bands/bandmember.php?member_id=2049] and Stéfane Funèbre [http://www.metalstorm.net/bands/bandmember.php?member_id=9747] lacks the wikipedia and birthday arguments since he's an ex-member. I hope I made my case


My PM to him in facebook:
Quote:
Hi
I am sorry for bothering you, but I am from metalstorm.net (I AM NOT A STAFF member) but I do datebase edit
Can you confirm that your real name is David Vogt and you're same guy what is playing in Flowing Tears.
Metal archives says so but our site don't accept those edit since there are planty errors

Can you confirm it?
Otherwise we are duplications, same musician 2 profiles

any maybe you know same facts about Matthew Greywolf , Benjamin Buss

We will appreciate it



This is what he answered

Quote:
Hey.
No thats wrong. Also dont know Why metal archives is writing that....
Thanks for asking!
Have a nice day.
Charles
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LeKiwi
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  08.10.2014 at 19:19
Added prog metal/rock to Fright Pig.
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  08.10.2014 at 21:35
This review
http://www.metalstorm.net/pub/review.php?review_id=1628

if you look at tracklist in MA http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Toner_Low/58699
where official site and http://tonerlow.webs.com/releases.htm b camp http://tonerlow.bandcamp.com/album/toner-low

says such track list don't exist and album (as we have 2 same )

IMO there must be something done whit a review, delete or correct tracklist as well
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  09.10.2014 at 01:10
Written by Bad English on 08.10.2014 at 21:35

This review
http://www.metalstorm.net/pub/review.php?review_id=1628

if you look at tracklist in MA http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Toner_Low/58699
where official site and http://tonerlow.webs.com/releases.htm b camp http://tonerlow.bandcamp.com/album/toner-low

says such track list don't exist and album (as we have 2 same )

IMO there must be something done whit a review, delete or correct tracklist as well

what the fucking hell are you on about? The album exists and has the tracklist as stated in every single link your provided. FFS I have the album here at home.
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  09.10.2014 at 01:18
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 09.10.2014 at 01:10

Written by Bad English on 08.10.2014 at 21:35

This review
http://www.metalstorm.net/pub/review.php?review_id=1628

if you look at tracklist in MA http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Toner_Low/58699
where official site and http://tonerlow.webs.com/releases.htm b camp http://tonerlow.bandcamp.com/album/toner-low

says such track list don't exist and album (as we have 2 same )

IMO there must be something done whit a review, delete or correct tracklist as well

what the fucking hell are you on about? The album exists and has the tracklist as stated in every single link your provided. FFS I have the album here at home.


whit same track list as now?
there was totally different track list before I accept edit since guy gave me a real source official, even MA has this tracklist
before was different track list in review and album , seems I accept it changed also in review
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  09.10.2014 at 11:51
@Marcel
Delete this album
http://www.metalstorm.net/bands/album.php?album_id=70084&band_id=&bandname=Toner+Low

since its 100% same us
http://www.metalstorm.net/bands/album.php?album_id=5702&band_id=1049&bandname=Toner+Low

Quote:
Metal Archives is close, but not 100% correct when it comes to our backcatalog.

The November 2006 release was the double-vinyl release of our June 2005 debut cd release on our DIY label Roadkill Rekordz. So it is not a compilation, but it is the same album as
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Toner_Low/Toner_Low/109277

The only difference is that the first song (Devilbot) got a longer outro to fit one side of the album.



that's bands answer to my question if its compilations or not so 100% re relies, we don't accept such we keep original,
delete it
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  09.10.2014 at 13:55
Delete Willem from The Sin Committee. I add Willem Ebers there what is real

Miranda must be deleted this period 1998-1999

Quote:
I checked it and there are some inaccuracies.

The picture is of our Summer 2002- November 2007 line-up and so it's a bit outdated. Preferred would be the pic at this link:
http://www.roadkillrekordz.nl/tonerlow/photo/Toner%20Low%20promofoto%202.JPG

Our ex-bandmember Willem doesn't / didn't play in The Sin Committee.

Preferred would be to name Miranda just Miranda, since we don't use our complete names, and Vandervoot is not her correct surname.

In the timeline the line-up Daan - guitar, Jack - drums, Deef - vocals, bass, Miranda - bass is incorrect and did never exist. The line-up Daan - guitar, vocals, Jack - drums, Miranda - bass exists since album II.

You can c & p our official bio to update the one that is at MS at the moment (which is about our history until 2010).
http://www.roadkillrekordz.nl/tonerlow/history.html

But to keep the bio updated you should c & p from our website at least once a year. A shorter and less detailed bio that will be upto-date for some years is at
https://www.facebook.com/tonerlow/app_2405167945

We have some videos on YouTube, such as this official promo for album III
http://youtu.be/I1gw7gZSx2k

Trivia, one thing worth mentioning is that our bass player Miranda played bass guitar from December 1999 until August 2000 for Dutch retrorockband 7Zuma7, in their final line-up.

I think that would be all.

Thanks again for your support
daan


Quote:
Miranda joined Toner Low again in December 2007.

She first was in the band from the beginning in March 1998 until December 1999, when she got the offer to join 7Zuma7 (after auditioning for the 7Zuma7 bass position btw).

Just noticed something else. The first line-up was with three guitars
Daan - guitar
Jack - drums
Deef - vocals, guitar
Miranda - bass
Willem - guitar

When Miranda left for 7Zuma7 Deef went from vocals, guitar to vocals, bass.

I took over the vocals when we started doing gigs again in April 2008, after Deef had left the band in November 2007. For some time late 2007-early 2008 we rehearsed without vocals, 'cause we weren't sure if we would get a different singer.

Hope it's all clear now, but let me now if otherwise.

grts
daan

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  10.10.2014 at 20:30
Turbid North

2001-2009 Groove thrash metal
2010- Progressive death metal
2010- Sludge metal





Too bad part 1 isn't up, some serious Neurosis influence on it.

LeKiwi
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  12.10.2014 at 17:31
Added progressive metal to Philippe Luttun.
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  13.10.2014 at 13:13
As we and Lex agreed traditional heavy metal, its enough whit only HM
someone can delete traditional prefix

http://www.metalstorm.net/bands/index.php?b_where=s.style&b_what=Heavy&prefix=Traditional
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  14.10.2014 at 19:14
Written by Bad English on 13.10.2014 at 13:13

As we and Lex agreed traditional heavy metal, its enough whit only HM
someone can delete traditional prefix

http://www.metalstorm.net/bands/index.php?b_where=s.style&b_what=Heavy&prefix=Traditional

fixed
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  14.10.2014 at 19:24
Written by D.T. Metal on 14.10.2014 at 19:14

Written by Bad English on 13.10.2014 at 13:13

As we and Lex agreed traditional heavy metal, its enough whit only HM
someone can delete traditional prefix

http://www.metalstorm.net/bands/index.php?b_where=s.style&b_what=Heavy&prefix=Traditional

fixed


I know we have new option as hiatus, brake up
but I don't think this is case, so Edge of sanity split up in 2003 and seems for ever, so maybe style years can be to end as well ?
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  16.10.2014 at 04:55
Changed avant-garde metal in We All Die (Laughing) to post-black metal as such:
Progressive metal (2013 -)
Post-black metal (2013 -)

Perhaps post-black wasn't the most appropriate tag, but I think it's more credible than avant-garde.

Also added progressive metal and fusion to Fluxious from 2009 -.
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  18.10.2014 at 15:45
I don't hear anything progressive into this band
more heavy metal
power metal or heavy/power

http://www.metalstorm.net/bands/band.php?band_id=4623&bandname=Triosphere
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  23.10.2014 at 23:26
...And Oceans and Festerday are listed on different profiles, even though there's ...And Oceans' name on the a.k.a names for Festerday...
Is this right? Should't it be a single profile?
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  23.10.2014 at 23:52
Written by Karlabos on 23.10.2014 at 23:26

...And Oceans and Festerday are listed on different profiles, even though there's ...And Oceans' name on the a.k.a names for Festerday...
Is this right? Should't it be a single profile?


ask Lex or Troy about it but if band change name and are aka, and it has album or more then one we usually have diferent profiles , demo can be under old name as kalmah Also known as Ancestor (1991-1999
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