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Lucas
Mr. Noise

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Age: 23
From: The Netherlands

  25.09.2006 at 21:17
Hello, welcome to my topic.

Let me start off. Today, this evening, I got an e-mail from a friend of my father. He is something like a journalist, and travels far too bring home stories of how life is overthere. (Think Russia, Ukraine, anything).

So, he also holds contact with magazines and other institutes from those countries. Now it happens to be, that one of those magazines (Ukrainian Magazine, to be exact) has decided they want more variety in their articles. More stuff, which interest youth, and stuff like that. So, this friend recommended me to that paper, and they asked me to write and essay about the Ukrainian Metalscene. To me, it sounds like a wonderful idea to do, and accepted it.

So, this brings me to the point of my story. Can you help me?

What I need is information. So, recommend me any Metal band from Ukraine, anything. Ranging from Black to Nu to Power. Also information about cultural centres of Ukraine is more than welcome. If you have something and think I can use it, don't be shy to post it here.

I want to thank you all ahead of time, thank you very much!

Let's make this an awesome article!
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Mr FancyPants

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From: UK

  25.09.2006 at 21:52
well known for its NS-related scene.

drudkh, hate florist (+ new project 'blood of kingu'), kroda nokturnal mortum (+plenty of well knownside projects), dub buk, lucifiugum, astrofaes, lutomysl, munruthel. might also be worth mentioning some russian bands because of the connections. temnozer for example has both russian and ukrainian members.
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Damnated
Churchburner

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Age: 25
From: Romania

  25.09.2006 at 22:55
uukrania is a neighbour country, still, I don't know a thing about them. (exept bm bands...) so if you could be a little more specific about what cultural things you'd like to write about, please do so, as it might be easier to me to get info about it.

here you can find a couple of ukranian metal bands (it's an online music store, music genre is also written)
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Written by TheBigRossowski on 10.02.2009 at 16:01

if my wife and I can't conceive, I want a medical shipment of your sperm so our baby will be just like you.
Lucas
Mr. Noise

Posts: 13426

Age: 23
From: The Netherlands

  26.09.2006 at 10:13
@Tommy Tee: Hate Florist? I think you meant Hate Forest.

@Damnated. Thanks, I'll check it out when I get home.

Let me be more specific. I need to write about the 'Metal Scene'. So, that means Ukranian bands, sideprojects, youth centres where it's happening, festivals, you get it?


Thank you both, it is much appreciated. I heard of most of the bands you posted, but didn't check them out yet. I shall download tons of them to get a valid opinion on them.
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GT
Coffee!!

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Age: 32
From: Denmark

  26.09.2006 at 10:41
Sounds like a fantastic job for a metalhead...will you post the article here as well? 'cause it's always fun to read about the scene in other counties
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Mr FancyPants

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From: UK

  26.09.2006 at 15:50
Written by Lucas on 26.09.2006 at 10:13

@Tommy Tee: Hate Florist? I think you meant Hate Forest.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parody

Believe it Comrade
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"This rudderless world is not shaped my metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It's us. Only us"

Read Watchmen.
Lucas
Mr. Noise

Posts: 13426

Age: 23
From: The Netherlands

  26.09.2006 at 16:11
@GT. I am thinking of that. I will have to translate if first though, and if there are no problems with copyright and all, I would like to post it here.

@Tommy. Ehh. I didn't get what you posted? What's the connection?

You made a joke saying 'Hate Florist'? If you did, sorry, but it was a very bad joke.
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GT
Coffee!!

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Age: 32
From: Denmark

  26.09.2006 at 16:35
Written by Lucas on 26.09.2006 at 16:11

@GT. I am thinking of that. I will have to translate if first though, and if there are no problems with copyright and all, I would like to post it here.


Oh yeah...forgot about the copyright problems that might occur...well let us know if it comes this way aswell
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Lokomotiv
Übermensch

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Age: 30
From: Chile

  26.09.2006 at 16:36
Well, Ukranian's only good Metal seems to be NSBM, and I don't think they would like to publish that in the magazine, as I understand that your father's friend want to make a "publicitary" article of Ukranian Metal... you should advise him about that fact before writing anything.
-tom-
Mr FancyPants

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From: UK

  26.09.2006 at 16:47
if don't think there will be any problem about talking about these bands apart from maybe aryan terrorism which is a rather insignificant one-off project anyway.
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"This rudderless world is not shaped my metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It's us. Only us"

Read Watchmen.
Lokomotiv
Übermensch

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Age: 30
From: Chile

  26.09.2006 at 16:54
I think there's necessity to be careful in these cases... not that I support political correctness, but Nervel's uncle probably don't want to write about a scene dominated by Nazi bands...
-tom-
Mr FancyPants

Posts: 3922
From: UK

  26.09.2006 at 17:04
the topic shouldn't even come up. if he asks his uncle if hes allowed to talk about "nazi bands" then the answer will inevitably be no because he would have jumped to the conclusion that he meant something like skrewdriver. you can say a lot about the ukranian NS scene without bringing politics for the most part, these bands aren't very outspoken.
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"This rudderless world is not shaped my metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It's us. Only us"

Read Watchmen.
Lokomotiv
Übermensch

Posts: 4548

Age: 30
From: Chile

  26.09.2006 at 17:19
Written by -tom- on 26.09.2006 at 17:04

you can say a lot about the ukranian NS scene without bringing politics for the most part, these bands aren't very outspoken.


I don't really agree that, as writing an article about Ukranian Metal WITHOUT mentioning politics would be very incomplete, as it is an important part on the scene... and I don't agree that they are not outspoken... Nokturnal Mortum had posed with Swastikas (and have song-titles like "The Call Of The Aryan Spirit"), Hate Forest have the sunwheel on the logo (same with Dub-Buk), Drudkh have a song called Sunwheel, and I agree that Aryan Terrorism are a totally worthless act, but it's a side-project of the most known Unkranian Black Metal band after all... I would like to think that he would be able to write an article basied purely on music, and mentioning the "slavian pride" as concept for the scene (that would be very positive), but the German Nazi references are obvious.

EDIT: The sunwheel is originally not a Nazi symbol, but it's obviously associated with it, so that would be necessary lead to talk about the straight-nazism of bands like Nokturnal Mortum.
Lucas
Mr. Noise

Posts: 13426

Age: 23
From: The Netherlands

  26.09.2006 at 17:23
@Streetcleaner & Tommy Tee.

I don't think they will mind that. I mean, the article if for information mainly, it is not a tourist guide, you see. I feel that if those bands are NSBM, I shall need to tell that in my article. But thanks that you point it out.

PS. It is not my uncle, but a friend of my father. Not that it matters, but anyway.
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Damnated
Churchburner

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Age: 25
From: Romania

  26.09.2006 at 17:30
firstly, you can't take slavic nazis in serious. second, who gives a damn about underground band lyrics? I mean ppl who'll read this wont even recognize a band name. and there's also freedom of speech, as long as no one is offended offcourse, so as long as satanic/anti-religious stuff , porn etc are protected by this law, so are some song lyrics.

btw KKK meatings are also allowed in the US. anyone cares? no.

PS since when the sun cross is officially a neo nazi symbol?
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Written by TheBigRossowski on 10.02.2009 at 16:01

if my wife and I can't conceive, I want a medical shipment of your sperm so our baby will be just like you.
Lucas
Mr. Noise

Posts: 13426

Age: 23
From: The Netherlands

  26.09.2006 at 17:33
Man, this is getting tough.

So first I have to decide if this Nazi thing is a real 'item' of these bands. Are they serious? Is it a marketing technique? I don't know. Anyone have any sources/opinions/information?
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Damnated
Churchburner

Posts: 4943

Age: 25
From: Romania

  26.09.2006 at 17:40
I think it's downward hilarious for a slavic band to call itself as a nazi, because nazis considered slavic ppl as subhumans. so it's like writing songs about hating your own nation and yourself, and wanting to exterminate youreslf.

ofcourse these lyrics don't deal with these themes, I wonder why, or at least I never came across them. this NS thing is also, in many cases, not all, a miss reading of things. the avarege western europeans/us-men (if anyone i soffended, bite me), can't tell the difference between 'healthy' nationalism and NS.

my opinion is: there are satanic bands, so there are nazi bands too.
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Blessed is he that murders Christ in himself and in his fellow men.



Written by TheBigRossowski on 10.02.2009 at 16:01

if my wife and I can't conceive, I want a medical shipment of your sperm so our baby will be just like you.
Lucas
Mr. Noise

Posts: 13426

Age: 23
From: The Netherlands

  26.09.2006 at 17:48
Hm yes, I see where you come from. It is quite weird the least. I might try getting in contact with bandmembers. Perhaps that will clearify some stuff.
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Damnated
Churchburner

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Age: 25
From: Romania

  26.09.2006 at 17:51
ehh, maybe. or they'll get you confused. try to reach some ppl from Ukraine, who listen to local bands, and are not extermists.
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Written by TheBigRossowski on 10.02.2009 at 16:01

if my wife and I can't conceive, I want a medical shipment of your sperm so our baby will be just like you.
Lucas
Mr. Noise

Posts: 13426

Age: 23
From: The Netherlands

  26.09.2006 at 17:56
Hmm, yes. Good idea. I might start with some MetalStormers. (If there are any?).

Ah well, first I'm off to Paris with school, then I'll start my searches.

Thank you very much!
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Damnated
Churchburner

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Age: 25
From: Romania

  26.09.2006 at 19:55
I dunno if there are any MSers from Ukraine into shit from Ukraine... but I bet there are on Last.FM !
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Written by TheBigRossowski on 10.02.2009 at 16:01

if my wife and I can't conceive, I want a medical shipment of your sperm so our baby will be just like you.
Lucas
Mr. Noise

Posts: 13426

Age: 23
From: The Netherlands

  26.09.2006 at 19:57
Hey, that's a better idea!
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Damnated
Churchburner

Posts: 4943

Age: 25
From: Romania

  26.09.2006 at 21:07
apparently I'm full with great ideas
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Blessed is he that murders Christ in himself and in his fellow men.



Written by TheBigRossowski on 10.02.2009 at 16:01

if my wife and I can't conceive, I want a medical shipment of your sperm so our baby will be just like you.
Lucas
Mr. Noise

Posts: 13426

Age: 23
From: The Netherlands

  26.09.2006 at 21:10
Hehe, you are like 'Awesome O 4000'!! Hehe, well, if you watch South Park. But that is slightly off-topic.
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SLUDGE. DOOM. DEATH. Wait, what?

"The reason I'm running for president is because I can't be Bruce Springsteen." - Barack Obama
Damnated
Churchburner

Posts: 4943

Age: 25
From: Romania

  26.09.2006 at 21:27
hehe, nice one. btw how many read this magazine?
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Written by TheBigRossowski on 10.02.2009 at 16:01

if my wife and I can't conceive, I want a medical shipment of your sperm so our baby will be just like you.
-tom-
Mr FancyPants

Posts: 3922
From: UK

  26.09.2006 at 22:51
Written by Lokomotiv on 26.09.2006 at 17:19

I don't really agree that, as writing an article about Ukranian Metal WITHOUT mentioning politics would be very incomplete, as it is an important part on the scene... and I don't agree that they are not outspoken... Nokturnal Mortum had posed with Swastikas (and have song-titles like "The Call Of The Aryan Spirit"), Hate Forest have the sunwheel on the logo (same with Dub-Buk), Drudkh have a song called Sunwheel, and I agree that Aryan Terrorism are a totally worthless act, but it's a side-project of the most known Unkranian Black Metal band after all... I would like to think that he would be able to write an article basied purely on music, and mentioning the "slavian pride" as concept for the scene (that would be very positive), but the German Nazi references are obvious.

EDIT: The sunwheel is originally not a Nazi symbol, but it's obviously associated with it, so that would be necessary lead to talk about the straight-nazism of bands like Nokturnal Mortum.


1) you're blowing this completly out of proportion.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=2234

what exactly is so offensive about this?

2) terrorizer run articles on these bands. they even printed a "morally questionable" interview with spear of longinus. if they can do that then im sure there is no huge issue with mentioning hate forest and co in a music article. just shove some cliche comment about "dubious political persuasions" in there somewhere and all controversy is removed even from the most outspoken of bands..

3) he doesn't have to mention in the article that dub buk have a black sun in their logo
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"This rudderless world is not shaped my metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It's us. Only us"

Read Watchmen.
Lucas
Mr. Noise

Posts: 13426

Age: 23
From: The Netherlands

  30.09.2006 at 22:19
@Damnated. Not too much. I believe they have about 600 members, and perhaps 100 who buy it occasionally. But hey, it's a start.

@Tommy Tee. I think I should be able to talk about it too. But if asked it to the chief director anyway, you never know.
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