It's amazing how the fans of many metal bands ultimately distroy the popularity, principals, beleives, understanding, and functions of the band itself. Many bands have had their noterity completely wiped clean because of the ignorance and stupidity of the listeners. The things that people say about the band in comparison to other bands leave many in the metal community in complete frustration about the band itself. What many need to understand is that the music is not about who makes it, but the physicality of the music itself lifted from the artist and put out there for the listeners.

My question is what fans of what bands leave you completely angered over the generality of the band itself...my pet peeve is Pantera....another is Children of Bodom...another is Metallica...any proove can easily be found in the old forum archive...

Hm...this sort of thing gets on my nerves a little. A lot of people say that fans don't affect artists' music whatsoever but it does.

My mains one are probably Nightwish. A lot of people are drawn to Nightwish because they have depressingly romantic lyrics and think that if they listen to them they'll be 'goths' even though Nightwish is far from gothic metal. As a result, Nightwish's latest album 'Once' lost its operatic vocals and made it much more commercial orientated in general. For me, some of the magic was lost.

Intresting thread, I think this thread is really needed. My band for this thread is Black Sabbath. This band was for me THE band, this is the band that got me into metal. BUT, we all know where I'm going, yes, it's ozzy. Many fans think Ozzy is Black Sabbath. And that's wrong! Every member of that band is unique! But thanks to MTv, ozzfest and stupid reality shows make fans think ozzy is sabbath.
Also the fact that Sabbath is considered a legend by many fans creates ignorance around the band. Many fans don't know what the band ment 36 years ago! And don't even know the band is that old. Many nu-metal bans also say that sabbath is among their influence but their sound is nothing like sabbath.
Another thing, I'm tired of fans that only want only to listen to the same singles (paranoid, war pigs and iron man) Black Sabbath released 8 albums in the ozzy era only and many more after that!
In conclusion the fact that sabbath got too famous caused that fans only care about the legend and NOT the band behind the legend.

@Kami-Sama: Well put, my friend. Well put. I also hate people who claim to know alot about my favorite bands, but dont know shit about their music. Is that allowed here?

I made a thread about this involving Roadrunner. I agree completely, if you dont like a style thats fine, but when people say they dont like because of a musician, label, commercialism etc, its plain arrogance.

Interesting Thread and well I have many bands and I could say the whole day here , but well as you guys said it just plainignorance and yes It does affect and it should not be like that , Music is too beautiful to make such statements ...and the music comes fromt he heart and spirit of the musician ..

Also @Dark Cornatus: I understand what you are saying and yes something is right , btu maybe they mean they don't liek the band that sold out , they miss the old band ..it has happen before with people I know ..Is not that they hate the band itself but their actions , how can you change your style of music just because they are gonna pay you more , Nahhh ...

Actually, what Kami-Sama says is just what I think about Iron Maiden. Today there is a lot of mainstream Iron Maiden fans and all they care about is like 4 songs (Run to the Hills, The Trooper, Fear of the Dark and Number of the Beast) and Bruce Dickinson. Today it is cool to be a Iron Maiden fan. I guess most of todays "new Iron Maiden fans" doesn't even know who Paul Di'Anno or Blaze Bayley is . . . and if they do they hate Blaze cause they follow the mainstream. The last Iron Maiden concert here in Sweden was the "Eddie Rips Up Tour" and we FANS knew that they were only going to play songs from the first 4 albums! At the concert there is a mix of all ages and I stood with a lot of mainstream fans that shouted "PLAY FEAR OF THE DARK"!!! What can I say . . .

Hmmm, this kind of ties in with The Poser Thread, which is what we need.

@ Warman- I've seen the same thing, but not with just Iron Maiden. Here where I live, it has become cool to be a "fan" of classic music such as The Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Jimi Hendrix. Though I'm all for having your own musical tastes, this has gotten out of hand. I know them, and I know for a fact they either have a) never heard any of these groups or b) have only heard their popular songs and consider themselves fans because of it.

As far as what Horlequism asked, I believe Children Of Bodom has become a big victim of this. This sort of goes with what I mentioned in the above paragraph. It seems as they have become more and more popular, they have appealed a broader range of fans. I'm not saying that's a bad thing....it's just that it leaves them open to people who hear 2 songs, become obsessed and refuse to listen to anything else.

@ Warman, you speak well, Iron Maiden is another example of how the fact that the band became a legend, the fans care only about the legent and not the band, like Sabbath. At school I hear all the time, I'm an "Iron Maiden fan" but when I try to discuss the band with them, I realize they don't know the band besides the famous side of it.
And Dream_of_Hate has some point when he says people say they're fans of classical rock bands when they don't know really the band, so we see it's a fact that not only reaches Metal but other musical genres and subcultures.

It's sad really, when music (metal included) becomes a trend rather than something with true meaning behind it.

It's really not fair to the real fans, who are in it purely for the music, when the music gives them something more than an image.

Am I the only one who sees great irony in the fact that all the supposed "fans" of Metallica calling out "sellouts! sellouts!" upon the release of St. Anger, caused Metallica to drop all St. Anger songs from their repertoire (I hear they don't play any songs off said album on this current tour). So, calling them sellouts caused them to sell out to the mainstream metal public. Anyone still think metal doesn't overlap with the mainstream?

yeah i must agree with most people on the Children Of Bodom issue. its become ridiculous how many "emos" and "sceners" i see wearing an "are you dead yet" t-shirt. trend whores seem to be destroying this great band.

Written by Icewings on 29.05.2006 at 12:49

btu maybe they mean they don't liek the band that sold out , they miss the old band

This is an example of what i mean though. They are hating the bands change, so they claim they dont like them because they 'sold out', which is a rediculous term anyway, and say they liked the old stuff only.
The old stuff is always still there, you can still listen to it. So why hate a band if they go through a crappy era of time?
Just say you dont like those albums.

Written by Author on 30.05.2006 at 01:58

Anyone still think metal doesn't overlap with the mainstream?

A lot of people still think this...this is what pisses me off with a lot of fans of certain bands...they don't want any success to come to their favorite bands and when it does they get all upset...

Written by Author on 30.05.2006 at 15:40

Written by Author on 30.05.2006 at 01:58

Anyone still think metal doesn't overlap with the mainstream?

A lot of people still think this...this is what pisses me off with a lot of fans of certain bands...they don't want any success to come to their favorite bands and when it does they get all upset...

...but if the band don't get a small amount of succes at all, they will be the first to start with the "why doesn't anyone else like these guys" and "if you don't like them then you're not a real BM/power/heavy/industrial...whatever-fan"

@GT, exactly. Nothing ruins a band like it's fans

I think it will start happening to dragonforce next.

Written by Author on 31.05.2006 at 02:37

I think it will start happening to dragonforce next.

Some might say this has already happened. DragonForce are ultra popular here and when I saw them live, there weren't as many metalheads as there usually are at the other gigs I go to. Also, a lot of people I know who don't listen to any other metal bands love DragonForce.

However, the band's popularity hasn't seemed to have affected the band's music yet; their latest album was better than the one they put out before this one IMO.

Written by Dark Cornatus on 30.05.2006 at 07:45

Written by Icewings on 29.05.2006 at 12:49

btu maybe they mean they don't liek the band that sold out , they miss the old band

This is an example of what i mean though. They are hating the bands change, so they claim they dont like them because they 'sold out', which is a rediculous term anyway, and say they liked the old stuff only.
The old stuff is always still there, you can still listen to it. So why hate a band if they go through a crappy era of time?
Just say you dont like those albums.

Yes I see what you are saying , I understand your point and well if you love one band so much then maybe you shall forgive those bad years or albums they had , Like after all what happen I still love Stratovarius ...and yes unfortunatly I made a mistake with some comments , but you made me realize , thanks

hmm, this thread could possibly go in many directions...

I dislike most fans of prog rock. They tend to think that they are better than everyone else and that their music requires more talent. I don't mind prog, but a lot of the fans annoy me.

Written by Stigmatized on 30.05.2006 at 01:32

It's sad really, when music (metal included) becomes a trend rather than something with true meaning behind it.

It's really not fair to the real fans, who are in it purely for the music, when the music gives them something more than an image.

Couldnt have been said better.

Written by Icewings on 31.05.2006 at 07:54

Written by Dark Cornatus on 30.05.2006 at 07:45

Written by Icewings on 29.05.2006 at 12:49

btu maybe they mean they don't liek the band that sold out , they miss the old band

This is an example of what i mean though. They are hating the bands change, so they claim they dont like them because they 'sold out', which is a rediculous term anyway, and say they liked the old stuff only.
The old stuff is always still there, you can still listen to it. So why hate a band if they go through a crappy era of time?
Just say you dont like those albums.

Yes I see what you are saying , I understand your point and well if you love one band so much then maybe you shall forgive those bad years or albums they had , Like after all what happen I still love Stratovarius ...and yes unfortunatly I made a mistake with some comments , but you made me realize , thanks

Haha theres no mistake made, not everyone thinks the same, its just the way i see it, good to see you agree though! Stratovarius is a good example, i too love them, but they have alot of crap albums at the same time.
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Written by Icewings on 31.05.2006 at 07:54

Written by Dark Cornatus on 30.05.2006 at 07:45

Written by Icewings on 29.05.2006 at 12:49

btu maybe they mean they don't liek the band that sold out , they miss the old band

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Yes I see what you are saying , I understand your point and well if you love one band so much then maybe you shall forgive those bad years or albums they had , Like after all what happen I still love Stratovarius ...and yes unfortunatly I made a mistake with some comments , but you made me realize , thanks

Haha theres no mistake made, not everyone thinks the same, its just the way i see it, good to see you agree though! Stratovarius is a good example, i too love them, but they have alot of crap albums at the same time.
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Hi my dear ...well yeah I know not everyone thinks the same I know but I do think it was a mistake ...and well sometimes you don't realize what you say and this is bad , because you have to think before you speak and yeah don't judge anyone ...yeah they have their crappy moments but good one too right ?and is good you think this way , is good you are not judgemental I like that

Written by Author on 29.05.2006 at 04:23

Many fans think Ozzy is Black Sabbath. And that's wrong! Every member of that band is unique!

yeah i am totally in agrreance with u hey dude, but im not just gonna say about Ozzy and Sabbath, u realise with a vast majority of todays bands that people like MTV refer a band to the lead singer as "His/Her" band, its total bullshit, and its clrealy a group effort, unless ur names like Devin Townsend, with the Devin Townsend Band...i mean thats the example of someone who the band is based around, where as you look at bands like Killswitch Engage or Shadows Fall, you dont refer to them as Howard Jones' & Brian Fair's Bands!! A band has 3 or more members....

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Written by Author on 29.05.2006 at 04:23

Many fans think Ozzy is Black Sabbath. And that's wrong! Every member of that band is unique!

yeah i am totally in agrreance with u hey dude, but im not just gonna say about Ozzy and Sabbath, u realise with a vast majority of todays bands that people like MTV refer a band to the lead singer as "His/Her" band, its total bullshit, and its clrealy a group effort, unless ur names like Devin Townsend, with the Devin Townsend Band...i mean thats the example of someone who the band is based around, where as you look at bands like Killswitch Engage or Shadows Fall, you dont refer to them as Howard Jones' & Brian Fair's Bands!! A band has 3 or more members....

You know, I noticed something similar to that is happening with In Flames. I've read countless reviews of albums like Soundtrack to Your Escape, and most of them say something like "Anders Frieden should kill himself for making this album". It's never toward Jesper Stromblad or Bjorn Gelotte, always toward Anders. Far as I know, Anders only takes part in lyric writing.

nirvana.

a lot of people like them. not many seem to show any understanding of their music at all and it seems to devalue it in my opinion. maybe im the one missing the point, not everyone else, but i view a lot of their songs as trying to create a filthy/sickly atmosphere but with a slightly hypnotic quality similar to eyehategod or goatsnake for example.

anyone agree with that or do i have a strange view of them?

It's not only the behavior of fans towards others, but also their behavior towards the band itself. As i said in another thread, probably the CoB thread, fans expect certain elements in the music of a band. In the case of CoB, after FTR people begain wining they're repeating themselves. I'm sure the band surfs on the internet sometimes and reads these comments, and they might think: hey, maybe they're right, maybe we are repeating ourselves, maybe we should change some things. And so they bring some changes to their style, and then fans say they've changed to much. At that moment, you get seperate 'camps' between the fans, fans who like only the 'old' material and say that the band has become commercial for changing their style, fans who only like the new material, and fans who don't give a shit and like every single album.
The first to are like in a war or something, where old fans say the band has become commercial and new fans say it's change. This brings the band down, because both sides could be right. A band can get commercial by changing their style, but at the same time they can't bring out the same album six or seven times. Then the new fans introduce the music to people who dont know the band yet, they only listen to the music they've got from their friends, but a shirt with the cover of the newest album, and the old fans have more confirmation the band has become commercial.
In fact, the band hasn't become commercial, they've become succesfull beyond familiar territory.
So, my advice to a band, fuck your fans just make music you like, not music your fans will like there are enough bands already doing that, sadly....

i think the mainstream is fault of this effect, beacuse they popularize the bands that we like, now there's a lot of posers that likes Pantera, COB...that is what makes me feel sick, looking that a fuckin poser listen to bands that i like and became famous (in the way that everybody use to listen that just posin') the same happened to nightwish here in mexico and with cradle of filth...

But how do you keep a poser and a 'real' fan apart? in my early days, i first listened to linkin park, papa roach and POD. that would make me a nu-metaller. then a friend gave me a cd from Dimmu Borgir, wich i loved, and still love ( Enthrone Darkness Triumphant ), another friend let me listen to the song FTR by CoB. i was absolutely blown away and immediatle downloaded the whole album. two weeks later i also had SW and Hatebreeder and 95% of the music i listened was CoB, 4% DB and 1% the nu-metal bands. Now, its 20% CoB, and 80% about 15 other bands, but no more linkin park or papa roach or whatever. So, if you look at my taste now, i wouldn't be a nu-metalkid. but in the 3 weeks after i first heared CoB i still listened to the nu-metal bands. Does that make me a poser because i walk around in a CoB shirt while listening to Linkin Park?
You can't completly judge a person on just a few bands, and you definately can't say 'this kid is a poser because he listens to a band that i like and got succesful'.

holy crap, i'm actually posting messages longer than 50 words... *grin*

When Opeth realy started to spread, me and my pals were all so sceptical. We didn't want anybody listening to Opeth so it wouldn't become so mainstream. Now I see metalstormers angry at Mike Akerfeldt cuz he does the riff game and doesn't STFU and play... this sucks IMO.