The Next "Iron Maiden"?
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Posted by Doc G., 29.10.2008 - 04:50
Iron Maiden is just an example name, the greatest example I could find. Iron Maiden is one of those few metal bands that acquired mainstream success/mass appeal while still retaining the respect from the more elitist of metalheads. No one gets called a "poser" for being an Iron Maiden fan, yet they are waaay bigger than almost every band everyone deems as "sellouts".
So the more descriptive question is this: Who will be the next metal band (lets say bands that have formed in the last 10-15 years), that acquires mass appeal globally, while at the same time still holds respect from more elitist people?
Not such an easy question to answer. Due to the fact that the music business has completely changed since Iron Maidens prime, it's doubtful any other band in metal will reach the level of Iron Maiden again, so lets say the next mainstream band that everyone would be proud to be waving the "metal flag". Some possible answers that went through my head: Children Of Bodom - No, sure they are possibly one of the biggest metal bands to come out in the past 15 years, but once again they don't get much respect from the more learned of metalheads. Opeth maybe?
The reason I made this a topic is because I have no idea! In 25-30 years, Whats that one metal band thats not going to be known for selling out (*cough* *cough* Metallica *cough*), the band where all the kids are going to be wearing shirts of and referring to as "classic"? Any ideas anyone?
| totaliteraliter Posts: 656  |
Written by [user id=2084] on 29.10.2008 at 20:09 They lack anything close to the unanimous respect of the underground. The "true metal" ideal, if you will, isn't really being lived up to in their case. To much prog rock in their sound, not enough of that pure metal masculinity that bands like Maiden and Slayer and Metallica use(d) to unite the scene...
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| LeChron James Helvetesfossen Posts: 3561  |
Written by Stigmatized on 29.10.2008 at 16:05 i hope they dont go awry and start getting all mainstream about it. i saw a post above saying that theyre already sorta mainstream-ish but i dont see what hes talking about. i'm willing to bet that if you were to ask 10 people who say they listen to metal if theyve ever heard of Gojira, at least 7 or 8 would say no.
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| LeChron James Helvetesfossen Posts: 3561 |
Written by Doc G. on 29.10.2008 at 17:10 as long as Phil Anselmo is fronting Down, i dont see them really going anywhere. he's too erratic and unreliable. take Superjoint Ritual for example, that was a project he started while he was taking a "leave of absence" from Pantera because of back problems. the fact that he formed Superjoint got him banned from Dimebag's funeral.
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| Valentin B Iconoclast Posts: 10085  |
On a second thought, Bodom would be the only one to fit in this description, as the "new iron maiden", but maybe if Alexi dropped the growls, mainstream people are getting massively turned off because of them. other than that they've got all they need: crazy image and music and of course some good and some EXCELLENT(first 2) albums released.
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| BitterCOld The Ancient One Admin Posts: 15255  |
Written by Introspekrieg on 29.10.2008 at 20:48 FWIW, Eddie was an unlockable character in one of the first 3-4 Tony Hawk Pro Skater games. Also of note, one of the decks you could choose was the bird of prey on the cover of Judas Priest's "Screaming for Vengeance"... and Motorhead's "Ace of Spades" was on the soundtrack to one of the iterations as well. This all dates back to around 1998-2001 or so, so i'm suprised skaters into metal is a new thing.
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| Doc G. Full Grown Hoser Staff Posts: 9718  |
Written by Valentin B on 29.10.2008 at 22:38 Nah, I'd see them more as the next Metallica, the first 2-3 albums are well received by metalheads, then their sound got cleaner and more accessible which alienated many metalheads but at the same time received massive mainstream appeal, the similarities are quite stunning when you look at it. Hate Crew Death Roll was probably their "And Justice".
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| Introspekrieg Totemic Lust Elite Posts: 2749  |
Written by BitterCOld on 29.10.2008 at 23:02 Oh yeah, I do remember that... When I first moved out here (around 2004) to the West Chester area I had a lot of skater friends who were into more of the punk style. It seems though as this is Bam Margera's stomping ground he dictates what is fashionable for skaters at the time. There was the H.I.M. phase, the CoF one, but the Iron Maiden trend has arose recently. Maybe it's David Beckham's fault...
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| totaliteraliter Posts: 656 |
Written by Doc G. on 29.10.2008 at 23:03  I'm not sure about that, COB were always good with the more mainstream/casual crowd but I always saw plenty of fans dismissing them as gimmicky pop metal pretty much from the outset. They had renown for their musicianship but I never saw them get much respect for writing intelligent music or anything like that...
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| Bad English Tage Westerlund Posts: 61237  |
Ktulu lets say IM whit Blaze is much better generaly how NW whit Anette
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| K✞ulu Seeker of Truth Posts: 2572  |
Really? On those albums that everybody hates? You rated Virtual XI with a 6 and The X Factor with a 5, so are you saying that Nightwish's new album is worth even less? Or do you account for the live performances too?
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| Bad English Tage Westerlund Posts: 61237 |
Written by K✞ulu on 29.10.2008 at 23:50 No I like Blaze albums, solo and IM thay are good too  so I dont hate new NW stupio completly sucks, live have no idea, but still Tarje remeber what musical background and adducation she has
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| Bad English Tage Westerlund Posts: 61237 |
Written by [user id=2084] on 30.10.2008 at 02:22 Opeth can be and who knows maybe thay be, or are, because band is active many years, hasnt changed so much, actualy I like each IM album (whit out killers) more how Opeth ''Ghost Revieries'' but last is good, if thay wont change thay can be there Hmm My Dying Bride too
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| K✞ulu Seeker of Truth Posts: 2572 |
Written by [user id=2084] on 30.10.2008 at 02:22 Well, what's ridiculous about Nightwish? Although I do agree that Opeth are in a way a "greater" band than Nightwish, there still is a probably with growling vocals. And plus Nightwish discography is pretty impressive. Anyway, my opinion right now is... no one ever will be as great as Iron Maiden, even Opeth.
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| Valentin B Iconoclast Posts: 10085 |
Written by [user id=2084] on 30.10.2008 at 02:22 i dunno man, to be succesfull in the mainstream you need some appeal.. Opeth is strange to the max, their lyrics, their music, everything. i don't know how so many people, also those who aren't that much into prog/ultra-complex lyrics would like this piece for example(from "The Drapery Falls": Please remedy my confusion And thrust me back to the day The silence of your seclusion Brings night into all you say it's pretty much like Devil Doll's lyrics. i think you need to be more straightforward with your music and stuff, Opeth is too damn subtle and apparently random for everyone to like them
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| totaliteraliter Posts: 656 |
Opeth and Gojira share a problem for this topic in their lack of metalness - they aren't pure metal bands that can unite the scene, it's the nonmetal elements in their sound that often dominate their sound and differentiate them from others. It's these sort of metal-for-people-who-don't-like-metal aspects of their sound that have given them degrees of mainstream appeal and success, but at the same time limit their appeal within the metal scene. For Opeth at least I always considered them a shit metal band but a decent prog rock band, if that makes sense. Gojira aren't particularly notable either once you trim the post-rock fat, so rather than considering them an average death metal band with a bunch of superfluous ambient meandering one might be better off thinking of them as some sort of hybrid...ramble... Written by Valentin B on 30.10.2008 at 09:00 Part of Opeth's appeal is their lyrics, they are somewhat vague but still revolve around pretty easily accessible emotional themes. Nothing really offensive or challenging about them, and I'd say they've played a part in their success.
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| Elio Red Nightmare Posts: 4920  |
What about Nevermore?? Their discography is very solid and are quite appreciated.
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| BloodTears ANA-thema Elite Posts: 11835  |
I don't see any band with "Iron Maiden" potential to be honest. Bands with gutural voices certainly won't make it because it is not an "acceptable" musical choice outside the metal world.
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| Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck Elite Posts: 40071  |
Written by [user id=4365] on 30.10.2008 at 13:11 New, yes. Extreme, no. Remember that when they broke really big into the mainstream of pop culture you already had your Motorheads, Venoms, Metallicas, Slayers in metal. And of course Punk had already had its share of aminstream appeal. Maiden broke big after Piece of Mind. Somehow I think most of you here seem to think they immediately became big.
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| Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck Elite Posts: 40071 |
Written by [user id=4365] on 30.10.2008 at 13:40 Yes they got big before those two, but you were talking about extremity and when Iron Maiden started there were already more extreme acts around and when they made it big they certainly had been passed left and right in the extremity department. Remember that punk was already big and mainstream before Iron Maiden even started and punk was already more extreme than Maiden would ever be.
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| Bad English Tage Westerlund Posts: 61237 |
Hmmm Grave Digger lsiten band firts album , midle album and samples from last one, IMO Grace Digger are best band who can be ''like IM""
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| Richard Elite Posts: 4862  |
An interesting idea for a thread. To be honest, I don't think any band which is more modern than Maiden is likely to achieve the same level of respect and acceptance as well as that level of commercial success. Perhaps it's partly because nowadays things are more segregated into specific scenes and sub-genres, bringing with them certain associations, and no new bands can achieve the same degree of historical significance. However, newcomers to Metal like Iron Maiden because 'it's all right to do so', kind of expected, and there's no stigma attached to it - so they appeal to people who are image-conscious as well as people who just love quality music. I think it's really just these three all-time classic older bands: Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, and Motorhead, that have universal respect and appreciation from everyone. From the happiest Power Metal fan to the most morose Funeral Doomsters or misanthropic Black Metallers, it's those three bands that get respect in a way that no more modern bands are likely to IMO.
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| Elio Red Nightmare Posts: 4920 |
Written by [user id=2084] on 02.11.2008 at 03:47  yeah. there's a bunch of power metal bands more known and appreciated than Grave Digger!
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| Bad English Tage Westerlund Posts: 61237 |
Written by Elio on 02.11.2008 at 10:40 IT IS not power but heavy metal and listen band and you will understand it !!!!
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