"True Metal"
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Posted by Daru Jericho, 03.07.2006 - 04:39
Anyhow, I've decided to question your thoughts on what 'true metal' is or has been described as. There is no real answer so there will be no need to bash or redefine other people's points. What makes a band 'true'? What bands can be considered so? And can a band that has 'sold out' be classed as 'true' as well or do they have to be underground to a certain extent? Do bands belonging in a certain metal subgenre have a better chance of being 'true' than another metal subgenre?
Discuss. I'm interested to see what other people have to say.
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Thanks for backing me up, I appreciate it  How do you know 3IoB? Do you have any of their stuff, their new or their old album, or both?? Or have you just heard a couple of songs?? (if you're interested I could always send you some.. ) 
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Yes, you are right. Somewhere along the way, people have probably started to give it their own meaning... However, I still feel that what I said earlier is the correct thing, and that other theories are misunderstandings, but I guess we could keep this discussion going forever so I'll pass the torch to someone else
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| -tom- Mr FancyPants Posts: 3922  |
my post on the previous page appears to be incorrect. people are using the word true and even "kvlt" in a serious manner in the extreme metal forum now. please don't consider these idiots to be representative of black metals fans. listening to black metal isn't some linear journey where how good a band is is determined by how similar they are to other certain bands. at least not for me anyway. the only sensible use of thw word true is 'true doom' which is what many people refer to classic doom as.
---- "This rudderless world is not shaped my metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It's us. Only us" Read Watchmen.
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| Daru Jericho Posts: 2098  |
Written by -tom- on 08.07.2006 at 17:42 The fans that do use the kvlt and true seriously certainly can not represent the entire BM fanbase as a whole. I'm sure every genre has its fans that change to suit the stereotype.
---- Aborted Misanthropic Smurf Puppy On Acid.
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| Daru Jericho Posts: 2098 |
Written by [user id=1052] on 09.07.2006 at 05:02 Well, that's certainly an opinion I have heard from a couple of other people before. It would be nice to think they were joking.
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| X-FrEaK Posts: 283  |
true metal...ive always seen it as EVERYTHING THAT IS NOT NU METAL! well...its stupid for me..."WOW TR00! YOUVE GOT TO LISTEN TO TR00 METAL CAUSE THAT WAY YOU WILL BE A TR00 METALHEAD!if you listen to nu metal your are just a stupid teen..."...oh well...
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| Bitch Boy Posts: 1353  |
True metal... well, it may be every metal genre that isn't part of the alternative metal (nü, industrial, stoner, avantgarde, etc.). The bands from these genres involve some elements that doesn't belong to metal, for example rap vocals in nü metal, or the excesive use of electronic music elements in industrial. This also applies to bands from other genres, for example the non-true black metal bands, like Dimmu Borgir, or other BM bands that include keyboards or female voices, that aren't consider as true BM. Another fact can be that some bands are "too commercial" to be consider true metal, once again I refer to nü metal.
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| 4look4rd The Sasquatch Posts: 835  |
A band is concidered "true" because of its attitude, no matter what kind of metal (with some exceptions: Prog, Nu, Industrial, Avantgarde, so on.). Or when you CANT classify a band, like Manowar for exemple, you dont know if they are Heavy Metal or Power Metal, so you just call them True Metal.
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| Hyvaarin Posts: 1487  |
Written by X-FrEaK on 11.07.2006 at 00:25 I'd actually extend it to any metal that isn't trashy American/American-styled stupid metal.
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| BitterCOld The Ancient One Admin Posts: 15255  |
Written by 4look4rd on 15.07.2006 at 18:47 I thought Manowar was "Greased up men wearing loin cloths metal"
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| AnGina-- Dark Phoenix Posts: 3555  |
Written by X-FrEaK on 11.07.2006 at 00:25 Yea me too. It's a term so that those tr00 suckers can pick on people who listen to nu metal. They just don't get it (and I think it's unfair of MS as well not to add nu metal bands  )- I do believe that's really close minded and people bashing anyone for listening to nu metal, just because they are tr00 as steel and you are sooo false (bwah, what a word usage) are just super suckers with personal issues. I hate that kind of people. Get a life. Get some falsness! 
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| X-FrEaK Posts: 283 |
lol got to agree with PhoeNNix... its like a trend or something...if your are not in..you are bashed or descriminated...inside metal you are bashed because you listen to nu metal...why is that? i have NEVER seen anyone bashing me for liistening to Queen or Nirvana...but Nu Metal? oh god its not tr00 metal u see?... Korn have a song titled "Got the Life" ... i choose...Get a Life like phoennix lol \o/
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| Warman Erotic Stains Posts: 7695  |
I've always seen True metal bands to be bands that always play the same style with the same sound, bands that (just like Masque of Death said) stick to their roots.
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| Arian Totalis The Philosopher Posts: 3351  |
Basicly, I see true metal as Metal Bands that stck to their origional cause, and who are technicaly skilled and able to play quality music, the subgnre really doesn't Matter unless it's Nu Metal.
---- "For the Coward there is no Life For the hero there is No Death" -Kakita Toshimoko "The Philosopher, you know so much about nothing at all." _Chuck Schuldiner.
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| Daru Jericho Posts: 2098 |
So by reading these posts it looks like a lot of metallers don't consider nu metal to count as true metal .I wonder if it's because it's more mainstream than death, prog, doom etc metal...
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| Baz Anderson Staff Posts: 13237  |
when i think of 'true metal bands' i just think of traditional heavy metal bands Judas Priest, Sinner, etc.. that is true metal to me
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| Anathemani@c Posts: 449  |
Written by [user id=2187] on 18.07.2006 at 11:15 I don't actually agree with you guys. I don't believe that true metal must be Black Metal. I think that true metal is what every musician of the metal scene believes in. This means that we can believe that true metal is wjat we 're thinking the best and more representative kim=nd of metal to us.... 
---- Trapped in time A miracle of hope and change A swirling mass, no mercy now If the truth hurts prepare for pain ......Do you think we 're forever???
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| Metalguaska Posts: 149  |
So there is also some kind of 'fake' metal, whatsoever???.. i just don't get that point of 'true' and 'kvlt' metal...
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| ironman2002 Posts: 48  |
False, True.. What the fuck is this? Listen to good music and don't care about these foolish labels.
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