What do you think about the term "Sold Out"?
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Posted by selken, 19.08.2007 - 06:06
We must keep in mind that many musicians have the music as their jobs, and thus, this is the way for them to put food on their tables, so we must consider why a band sometimes really NEEDS commercial success, I know this is not an excuse (read about Therion), but we must stay in the artists shoes to know what is really happening.
IMO, I don't like the term, for me, Metallica is the only "sold out" band, because of the Napster issue, i mean, they are millionaires, and were so at the time of the Napster issue and blah, blah, blah..... you know the rest.
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Written by KryptoN on 19.08.2007 at 16:35 in some cases it does. A bands first album (in rock mostly) sounds more genuine because they have there whole life behind them to write about, about real struggles and such. The riffs are ones theyve been building on for a while. but once theyve gotten big its like, whats left to write about? how we drive around in limos and have been in an airplane for the past 3 years? and the band has to write brand new riffs and such in a pressured amount of time. Contractual obligation has another thing to do with it, with the first album they have lots of time to write (and usually have lots of songs written already) before they have to do any studio time. ONce they get big the greedy record companies say "Ok, new album by this deadline" so the band is now writing out of legal obligations instead of an artistic expression.
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| Dark Cornatus Powerslave Elite Posts: 4330  |
Sure its not a term you want to use alot, any most of the time its spoken without knowledge of why the band went that direction. The point is though, most of us here dont want to hear music aimed for the commercial audience. So when bands do this, we hate it and call them sellouts. Sometimes correct sometimes wrong. It depends entirely on the bands situation and your taste in music. I mean, someone who loves metal and radio hits will generally accept the bands change, whereas someone who loves metal, but really underground stuff, wont adapt. Its just tastes, there is no right or wrong answer most of the time.
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| KryptoN imperceptible Posts: 634  |
Written by Doc G. on 04.09.2007 at 01:24 That's kind of my point, there's no correlation because it's just "some cases". These "some cases" are also highly subjective and I was talking about myself. I thought people would understand that so I didn't underline that particular point. I don't know if the rest of the post was relevant because it doesn't have much to do with what I meant in the post earlier. So I don't know how to comment / I won't comment that.
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| TDFX Posts: 96  |
Hmmm "going mainstream" would be more descriptive. Very appropriate for a lot of ex-Gothic Metal bands. :-\
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| ASiema113 Posts: 322  |
(IMO) People tend to overuse the word "soldout" just as much as they use the word's over/underrated. Just because I band has made a good amount of money in their career doesn't exactly mean they have "soldout". No, I think when I band has purposely produced an album with the only intention in mind to make money, while sacrificing the sound in or producing something that is "trendy".
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| Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck Elite Posts: 40071  |
Written by [user id=26806] on 06.11.2007 at 21:38 this has me totally baffled, why in god's name would regard this as a sell-out album? Now if you had said Technical ecstacy I could have understood. But Sabbath Bloody Sabbath? Never a sell-out album
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| juanopereira Posts: 268  |
I think bands have to earn money, but with good music. When thay start to make music just for making money, then you can say they sold out.
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| Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck Elite Posts: 40071 |
Written by [user id=26806] on 06.11.2007 at 21:48 Okay, sorry for misunderstanding. But IMO the changes compared to their earlier albums are just minor.
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| Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck Elite Posts: 40071 |
Written by [user id=26806] on 06.11.2007 at 21:53 IMO nothing beats Changes in terms of radio frinedliness and that one is from before Sabbath Bloody Sabbath of course. 
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| VPeter Posts: 1450  |
I don't mind if a band wants to become populair and make more money, but it depends HOW they do it. If they overproduce and mix there sound with numetal to get along the trend and forget about their older fans, that's were I draw the line.
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| Iceland_Norway Posts: 264  |
In Italy Do sold Out is important for Live in Italy to reorganize the band Entire Next tour putting inside dates where the band made the last year SOLD OUT. I'm sure that Iron Maiden for the next Somewhere Back In Time Tour could do Sold Out in Italy.
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| ArcanaHereticae Posts: 169  |
Depends on the genre of the band. In Pop and all that shit, or mainstream music in general, it's easy to "Sell out" because there is such a demand for that shit. In Metal, which is typically an underground genre... very little money is made anyways. Think about it... you don't get paid as much to tour as other genres, what little money your album is or would be making at the time will go under due to the fact it will be downloaded by kids on the internet. In Metal, to what the FUCK is there to sell out?
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| Raiden Down Under Staff Elite Posts: 8292  |
Well for starters, the word is used too often I think. It's not always the case that bands go ahead trying to make the music that they think will make them money. Sometimes the band just releases music that happens to be good, and attracts a lot of attention. Sometimes different things become popular. Even bands that do change their style might do it because they want to change themselves. Sure, they won't be catering for their older audiences, but maybe they just want to create different music. Some bands do make music specifically to make a profit, and I you could say that they are "selling out" (for use of a better phrase...), but it's not always the case.
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| selken Irreligious Posts: 949  |
It seems that many people (not you guys) don't understand the actual situation of an artist. Let me explain my point: In economical terms, bands are just enterprises, and, what's the sense of an enterprise? to make money, why? because people involved in that enterprise (the band) put a lot of effort on their job and of course they want something in return for that effort. If they see a chance for making more money they have the right to take that chance, you would do the same. I admit I used the term with ardent hate towards Metallica, Stratovarius, Megadeth and many others in the past, but when you'd have a job you will understand, that your personal ambitions overpass your roots....
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| Berfones Posts: 354  |
Bands do not sell out, they "change their musical style to fit the demands of a wider audiance"
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| X-Ray Rod Skandino Staff Posts: 18310  |
Sold out is a term that I use for the bands that Change their style of music JUST because they want more money... and not for the love of making music, something that it's just stupid.
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| Vinnie R. Chido Chido Posts: 937  |
When a band is a sold out, it must enter in the general taste of the people, and people believes everything, sold out reminds me to Metallica, Children Od Bodom...you know stuff like that, that used to be good, but to enter into another taste they changedsome things that were respected.
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| selken Irreligious Posts: 949 |
Written by X-Ray Rod on 19.04.2008 at 14:29 it's not stupid.... you just cant buy food with love, but with money you can  what is actually stupid is to claim to be genuine when you know you are "mainstreamed"
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| X-Ray Rod Skandino Staff Posts: 18310 |
Written by selken on 04.05.2008 at 09:13 I meaned the bands that ALREADY have a lot of money... that's what I call a sell-out for the worse... And I agree with the last sentence...
---- Written by BloodTears on 19.08.2011 at 18:29 Written by Milena on 20.06.2012 at 10:49
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