Rammstein - More Censorship Issues
After being censored for the pseudo mini-porn video that was "Pussy" and the controversies surrounding the single "Ich Tu Dir Weh" (I Hurt You) and a picture inside the album booklet displaying guitarist Richard Z. Kruspe spanking a chubby woman wearing only a mask, it seems that also two Rammstein live shows will be censored now.
In November the album Liebe Ist Für Alle Da got "indexed" by the German Federal Department for Media Harmful to Young Persons, making it illegal in Germany for minors to purchase the album, or display it where it can be seen by people underage, effectively banning it from stores. At the time, keyboardist Christian Lorenz expressed surprise at the advisory board's "parochial sense of art" and regretted their apparent inability to detect irony.
Now, the German Family Ministry authorities will not allow the band to perform any songs that have been indexed on both their Dortmund shows. Furthermore, the ministry demands each band member to sign a "written explanation before the concerts, that the indexed songs will indeed not be played." In case of violation, the band faces a fine of ?10,000, per person. Public Order director Ortwin Schafer also stated that the Youth Protection Act will be put into force in conjunction with the police and "fans under 18 must be accompanied by parent or guardian of a person to attend the concert. Fans without a parent or guardian in attendance will be sent home."
Both concerts, each with over 10,000 attendees, are both sold out. Though the organizers tried to downplay the situation: "We have received no request of the public order of Dortmund", says Silvia Pape of "Concert Team NRW". However, there were already telephone contacts. Pape: "Once we have something on paper, we will forward it on to the management and the band. The final decision lies with the guys. "
The full article (in German) here.
In November the album Liebe Ist Für Alle Da got "indexed" by the German Federal Department for Media Harmful to Young Persons, making it illegal in Germany for minors to purchase the album, or display it where it can be seen by people underage, effectively banning it from stores. At the time, keyboardist Christian Lorenz expressed surprise at the advisory board's "parochial sense of art" and regretted their apparent inability to detect irony.
Now, the German Family Ministry authorities will not allow the band to perform any songs that have been indexed on both their Dortmund shows. Furthermore, the ministry demands each band member to sign a "written explanation before the concerts, that the indexed songs will indeed not be played." In case of violation, the band faces a fine of ?10,000, per person. Public Order director Ortwin Schafer also stated that the Youth Protection Act will be put into force in conjunction with the police and "fans under 18 must be accompanied by parent or guardian of a person to attend the concert. Fans without a parent or guardian in attendance will be sent home."
Both concerts, each with over 10,000 attendees, are both sold out. Though the organizers tried to downplay the situation: "We have received no request of the public order of Dortmund", says Silvia Pape of "Concert Team NRW". However, there were already telephone contacts. Pape: "Once we have something on paper, we will forward it on to the management and the band. The final decision lies with the guys. "
The full article (in German) here.
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| Slayer666 Posts: 2466  |
Written by BitterCOld on 14.01.2010 at 20:27 Rammstein does not promote AIDS, man. What the hell are you talking about? There is something called "protection", if people used it more often, maybe a dick going in and out of a pussy wouldn't kill so much. I'm sorry, man, but this thought of yours is just stupid.
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| NeilZ17 Posts: 12  |
HAHAHA!! another funny thing is that the director of the "Pussy" video, is the same director for Lady GaGa's "Pararazzi" and quite a few Madonna videos... Common people tend to think that metal music is aggressive already (I prefer the word "energetic"), so lyrics and visual items may take it even further. Therefore they put censorship... In my opinion, censorship will only make these guys sell more records, and sell out shows all over the place. And at the same time, a 15-year-old, dancing on a pole (!!!), is not censored and is making a Disney movie... and I ask you, my fellow headbangers: WTF?!?
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| BitterCOld The Ancient One Admin Posts: 15251  |
Written by Slayer666 on 14.01.2010 at 21:02 ' I was responding to the "it's just a dick going in and out of a pussy" statement, not Rammstein and censorship. And "if more people would use protection" - well, apparently they aren't. so it is an issue. Just a dick going in and out of a pussy has killed millions upon millions of people. so my statement to counter the incorrect assertion of another poster is well grounded in reality. But since you missed it, as Promonex posted the translation of the statement regarding hte censorship: "The 36-page statement of reasons states: "The band spreads depictions of sado-masochistic practices and animate to unprotected sex." So while they are not promoting AIDS directly, they certainly aren't taking the Manocheese approach and encouraging protected sex either. sorry the overall point went sailing clean over your head.
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| Slayer666 Posts: 2466 |
Written by BitterCOld on 14.01.2010 at 21:26 1. If they don't use protection, even if they KNOW what could happen, it's their own goddamn fault, and no one should be blamed but themselves. 2.Right, because if we use censorship on musci videos and stuff, it's going to make all AIDS of this world gone or magically cured.
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| Ernis 狼獾 Posts: 6807  |
Written by Slayer666 on 14.01.2010 at 21:02 He is right. Of course, Rammstein do not promote HIV infection but the acts depicted in the video can make some young and possessing not-fully developed minds people believe that this is real life. Any porn... I say, ANY porn or perverse depiction or anything can lead a weak-enough person to believe wrong things which can have sad consequences. They accused pope in "promoting unsafe sex" when he said that condoms are overrated but instead it was the spiritual life that we should look at...how easy is this to say "I have a rubber in me pocket, even if I don't use it every time I eff, I will never get any disease...even if I eff different people..."... this way leads so many to sad fate... I will not discuss this topic any further...
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| BitterCOld The Ancient One Admin Posts: 15251 |
Nor will i. if Slayer666 cannot grasp the simple fact i was responding to an erroneous statement by another poster after a second explanation (  ), and not remarking in any way about Rammstein, Germany, or censorship, it isn't worth discussing it further.
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| Slayer666 Posts: 2466 |
Written by BitterCOld on 14.01.2010 at 21:59 Fine, fine, I get it. I still don't agree with you, though.
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| FRIENDSHIP Posts: 28  |
Written by Guest on 14.01.2010 at 21:17 Certainly you haven't been to an American university! Out of the mandatory alcohol orientation, I learned that the rule is "if a woman regrets sex at ANY TIME, it is rape." It's really too bad, but this doesn't seem much different than how an R-rated movie would be treated in the United States (however, for that, the benchmark age is 17, as y'all know.) It kind of does make sense that they're treating concerts in a similar manner, but since the subject matter is getting less and less socially acceptable, I suppose that this sort of behavior makes sense. (Plus, I've heard people complain about little kids going to see concerts/participating in metal. "Little kids wearing Gorgoroth tee shirts kind of ruins the statement." and that sort of thing.)
---- Keeping up the killing, Dylan
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| Introspekrieg Totemic Lust Elite Posts: 2747  |
Written by Irritable Ted on 14.01.2010 at 22:17  Rammstein should play the songs anyway, refuse the fines, get thrown in prison, and see their artistic credibility surge. Then the USA will invade and we will liberate them and spread democracy, freedom and liberty throughout your backwards, closed-minded Europe!
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| Introspekrieg Totemic Lust Elite Posts: 2747 |
Written by Irritable Ted on 14.01.2010 at 23:09 Yeah, but you still have to pay for ketchup packets there right? Free ketchup for all! McDonalds presents: Rammstein Hackfleisch/Pommes frites Liberation Tour
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| Ellrohir Heaven Knight Posts: 8662  |
BitterCOld: you are again presuming...Rammstein sing about something and WHAT IF SOMEONE something... what if this someone is responsible for itself only and cannot constantly blame everyone around from "made him what he is now"...?
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| Introspekrieg Totemic Lust Elite Posts: 2747 |
Written by Irritable Ted on 14.01.2010 at 23:27 Holy crap... screw Rammstein, liberate us!
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| fade Son of Sweden Staff Posts: 3771  |
Written by BitterCOld on 14.01.2010 at 20:27 ...and the wind was ripped out of those sails as the mast was torn from the ship.
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| BitterCOld The Ancient One Admin Posts: 15251 |
Written by Ellrohir on 14.01.2010 at 23:30 Jesus Tapdancing Christ people are dense. I Did not respond in any way, shape, or form, to the Rammstein censorship debacle. someone said that "a dick goin into a pussy never killed anyone" ... that statement is wrong. I responded to that statement. AIDS, spread most commonly via unprotected sex, has killed 25,000,000 people. In short, "a dick goin into a pussy" has killed a LOT of people. Just google "AIDS death toll" if you don't believe me. At no point did I say Rammstein spreads AIDS. At no point did I state Rammstein is pro-HIV. I am not even sure how some of you people even inferred it. I merely responded to an statement that someone made that was dead wrong. (pun intended). I am terribly sorry some people are so fucking stupid that they think i am attributing AIDS to Rammstein. Please ignore my statements and let your two remaining braincells get back to their eternal game of "Marco? Polo!"
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| tulkas el parcero Posts: 4742  |
Totally lame and stupid.
---- love is like a jar of shit with a strawberry on top
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| Bitter Dawn Ave Sathanas! Posts: 843  |
Ah, they're just back to pulling publicity stunts to get recognized again. Bit of a shame because, they're actually quite a talented band.
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| -DC-002- Mastercommander Posts: 1703  |
I good band wouldn't have to pull stuff like this.
---- Coldgrits
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| jupitreas hi-fi / lo-life Staff Posts: 6659  |
This video was made with the sole purpose of being banned anyway. Mission fuckin accomplished.
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| Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck Elite Posts: 40071  |
Written by jupitreas on 15.01.2010 at 07:36 True. Another band that goes for the cheap shock value.
---- Member of the true crusade against European Flower Metal Yesterday is dead and gone, tomorrow is out of sight Dawn Crosby (r.i.p.) 05.04.1963 - 15.12.1996 
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| Doc G. Full Grown Hoser Staff Posts: 9718  |
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.01.2010 at 07:54 That was kind of my thought when I first read about this. You create something that's quite obviously going to offend people, then start bitching and moaning as soon as people want to censor it. I'm against censorship, but c'mon people, is this really any surprise?
---- "I got a lot of really good ideas, problem is, most of them suck." - George Carlin
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| DayFly Posts: 383  |
OMFG, it's evil Bush censorship of equisite art and I'm offended that Lady Gaga sells records and looks hot doing it and Germany is now obviously under Republican control and blablabla. The band's members are so full of themselves it's disgusting. A bit of humility (and declining record sales) would really suit them but if anything the opposite is bound to happen. Besides, as long as something is not promoting Nazism no real consequences ever happen in Germany so quit bitching.
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| AiwiAstwihad AiryanaKhvarenah Posts: 1421  |
I'd love to see people in the free-world experience some level of censorship once in a while! Just for a change, you know. 
---- You who will come to the surface
From the flood that's overwhelmed us and drowned us all Must think, when you speak of our weakness in times of darkness That you've not had to face
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| Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck Elite Posts: 40071 |
Written by AiwiAstwihad on 15.01.2010 at 14:52 You're right. This Rammstein thing is totally no censorship compared to what goes on in countries like Iran and China. Now they suffer censorship like no other.
---- Member of the true crusade against European Flower Metal Yesterday is dead and gone, tomorrow is out of sight Dawn Crosby (r.i.p.) 05.04.1963 - 15.12.1996
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| AiwiAstwihad AiryanaKhvarenah Posts: 1421 |
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.01.2010 at 15:50 Wanna hear a seriouse joke then? Islamic (Un)republic censors wildlife documentaries when it comes to anything related to copulation as well as most of rituals.
---- You who will come to the surface
From the flood that's overwhelmed us and drowned us all Must think, when you speak of our weakness in times of darkness That you've not had to face
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| Marcel Hubregtse Grumpy Old Fuck Elite Posts: 40071 |
Written by AiwiAstwihad on 15.01.2010 at 16:33  Well, it actually doesn't surprise me at all. Christian boradcasters more or less censor the subtitles here as well. For example when the voice over says "millions of years ago" it has to be subtitled for them as "very long ago" because according to those Christian broadcasters the earth is about 5000 years old at most
---- Member of the true crusade against European Flower Metal Yesterday is dead and gone, tomorrow is out of sight Dawn Crosby (r.i.p.) 05.04.1963 - 15.12.1996
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| parallax Posts: 336  |
Rammstein should just play the show as they intended. 10,000 each is nothing for them. Go Rammstein! 
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