Even if everybody is anti-christian, it should be moved there at least for the sake of "equality"

Written by Zombie on 25.07.2011 at 11:27

Even if everybody is anti-christian, it should be moved there at least for the sake of "equality"

Because some say Christianity is less equal.

I just remembered a joke... it was different in original but it can be modified to fit whatever context...

"Everyone is equal, whether you be Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Hinduist or normal."

This is a really good southpark episode, it shows how atheists think bout christianity .. and then shows what real christianity is all about
(which is weird considering both southpark creators are atheists)

http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s06e08-red-hot-catholic-love

Brothers in Christ, answer me: do you sometimes face the situation when you like the band's music, but you find it offensive to God or satanic? What do you do then?

I have just listened to Deathspell Omega's Paracletus. I like the music; it's very innovative. I have read some of the lyrics and info about the band and a few interviews, and these guys are satanists. Although their lyrics are quite ambiguous, and I didn't really try to understand them, it is still kind of disturbing. I know I don't share in their beliefs; I just like the music, but I wonder what you, brothers, would say.

Another example would be Dissection's Storm of the Light's Bane. Amazing record. Probably my favorite black metal album. Again I didn't read the lyrics (I usually don't), but I know their vocalist had something to do with satanism and later killed himself.

On the other hand, I don't listen to Lamb of God on principle after reading some of the lyrics. I simply don't feel comfortable.

So what do you think I should do? Disregard the lyrical content and enjoy the music or stay away from such kind of bands or is there a third alternative?


Share your thoughts and experiences. Thanks.

Written by Spirit Molecule on 25.07.2011 at 06:39

Written by Zombie on 25.07.2011 at 04:10

By the way, why isn't this thread in the "serious discussions" forum while all of the other religions threads are there ?

It's Christianity, nobody is serious about it

Far from it, so far as I know, in Romania the church gets more money from the state then schools.
It's not that people aren't serious about christianity, it's just that the oposition is more vocal than in other countries (especially in many muslim states).

Written by K✞ulu on 08.09.2011 at 10:51

Brothers in Christ, answer me: do you sometimes face the situation when you like the band's music, but you find it offensive to God or satanic? What do you do then?

I have just listened to Deathspell Omega's Paracletus. I like the music; it's very innovative. I have read some of the lyrics and info about the band and a few interviews, and these guys are satanists. Although their lyrics are quite ambiguous, and I didn't really try to understand them, it is still kind of disturbing. I know I don't share in their beliefs; I just like the music, but I wonder what you, brothers, would say.

Another example would be Dissection's Storm of the Light's Bane. Amazing record. Probably my favorite black metal album. Again I didn't read the lyrics (I usually don't), but I know their vocalist had something to do with satanism and later killed himself.

On the other hand, I don't listen to Lamb of God on principle after reading some of the lyrics. I simply don't feel comfortable.

So what do you think I should do? Disregard the lyrical content and enjoy the music or stay away from such kind of bands or is there a third alternative?


Share your thoughts and experiences. Thanks.

Well, I was raised in a Protestant family, and I must admit that in the beggining I felt disturbed with some lyrics and some bands... specially because I have been very religious for some time, and, well, you find religious/satanic references almost in any lyric you read... It made me feel bad in the beggining, but then I realized that if I was going to care about that, well, there would be no metal at all in my life
I always felt somewhat more unconfortable with lyrics where the message is quite "hidden"... bands that are openly anti-religious/ pagan/ satanic never being the problem, because in the beggining I would simply avoid them.
Nowadays, I no longer care, I havent gone to church in the last 3 years or more, and I gave up any specific religion, even If I keep some Christians principles... so, lyrics no longer make any diference for me... I listen to the music and that's all

Written by K✞ulu on 08.09.2011 at 10:51

So what do you think I should do? Disregard the lyrical content and enjoy the music or stay away from such kind of bands or is there a third alternative?


Share your thoughts and experiences. Thanks.

I remember as a kid, when I first got into the more extreme side of metal I was a bit torn apart like "the music is awesome, but the message is just wrong" and I wanted to hide it from my parents
Later I thought it'd be better not to read the lyrics and just enjoy the music since 95% of the vocals are impossible to comprehend as a whole (to get the message).

Now I just don't give a fuck. When you got satan worship written by a 12 year old as in Dark Funeral, I just laugh at it and keep on with the music. When it's more sophisticated, as in DSO, I'm just to lazy to think over the lyrics and find a meaning.

I don't see a reason to have a conflict between religion and music, though alot of people point it out and start talking shit trying to give me lesson of what is good or bad for me.

Written by K✞ulu on 08.09.2011 at 10:51

Brothers in Christ, answer me: do you sometimes face the situation when you like the band's music, but you find it offensive to God or satanic? What do you do then?

I have just listened to Deathspell Omega's Paracletus. I like the music; it's very innovative. I have read some of the lyrics and info about the band and a few interviews, and these guys are satanists. Although their lyrics are quite ambiguous, and I didn't really try to understand them, it is still kind of disturbing. I know I don't share in their beliefs; I just like the music, but I wonder what you, brothers, would say.

Another example would be Dissection's Storm of the Light's Bane. Amazing record. Probably my favorite black metal album. Again I didn't read the lyrics (I usually don't), but I know their vocalist had something to do with satanism and later killed himself.

On the other hand, I don't listen to Lamb of God on principle after reading some of the lyrics. I simply don't feel comfortable.

So what do you think I should do? Disregard the lyrical content and enjoy the music or stay away from such kind of bands or is there a third alternative?
Share your thoughts and experiences. Thanks.

I think it's simply a matter of feeling. If something makes you uncomfortable, then don't do it. Everyone has their own beliefs and morals regardless of religion (or lack thereof) and preference of music is a reflection of that. Look at the various Death Metal bands that have visceral descriptions of violence, gore, and/or torture. Some people may not be bothered by it, simply seeing it as a variant fantasy that can be blown off with little trouble, but others will cringe and pale at the graphic nature of the lyrics, and they don't have to be Christian or any religion to feel that way. Neither group is wrong, it's simply a difference in interests as well as backgrounds.

That being the case, if you think that the lyrics are going to bother you to the point of harming your beliefs, then don't bother with them. But you feel that the lyrics don't bother you that much or not take them so seriously, then it's not that much of an issue. As for myself, I'm an active Christian and I don't particularly care for Satanism or Satanic imagery, but that doesn't mean I'll only listen to Christian Metal. I have no problem with Viking metal that hails and praises other gods. Other times, I sometimes miss the Satanic nature of songs entirely. I mean, I didn't know "Jump in the Fire" by Metallica was supposed to be from Satan's perspective until recently, but I was able to make my own connection to the song and still consider it as one of the best from Kill 'Em All. It's all how I feel about it.

In short, it all comes down to the individual. There is no overall rule of thumb when it comes, especially considering all the variations on Christianity itself. It wouldn't surprise me to see a church that has heavy metal for its hymns!

Christianity sucks
satanism sucks too
I DON"T CARE if u r christian or not just LISTEN TO THE MUSIC:banger:

Its lil bit weird orthoxox countries where rligion is strong has big economocal crisis, chatolic where are more ''sinners'' but generaly ppl are pure belivers chrisis is bigg , but in lands where are protestantism and many atheists and homoxexuals has wrights etc has less ecnomical chrisis I wounder how pope would ansver to this quasten?

^Protestant countries generally have a better economic situation coz of values and moral of the religion itself (if you compre to other forms of christianity). More austerity and more working for financial sucess urged by the "predestiny" idea. I doubt this idea is still relevant from a religious point of view nowadays (maybe in attitude it does), but sure helped to build a stronger base.

As for rights and all that, I think the difference is much less notable as most of these countries are secular or close to it, so the influence of religion is minimal or non-existant (I can only think of 1 or 2 exceptions). Take the homosexual marriage in Spain that was legalized in 2005. It's not possible in some other countries that don't have such a strong catholic history, even if there was an intense debate around it.

Written by Vombatus on 09.09.2012 at 21:58

^Protestant countries generally have a better economic situation coz of values and moral of the religion itself (if you compre to other forms of christianity). More austerity and more working for financial sucess urged by the "predestiny" idea. I doubt this idea is still relevant from a religious point of view nowadays (maybe in attitude it does), but sure helped to build a stronger base.

As for rights and all that, I think the difference is much less notable as most of these countries are secular or close to it, so the influence of religion is minimal or non-existant (I can only think of 1 or 2 exceptions). Take the homosexual marriage in Spain that was legalized in 2005. It's not possible in some other countries that don't have such a strong catholic history, even if there was an intense debate around it.

church can bring ap all to religion level .... theyw ill say we have gay meriadge, female priest 10 % only are believers, we are pagans etc , but those where 90% are believers are crisis .... its like Egypt 7 hunger years all said its gods punishment , now we can conect it ... but why god punish those wgho belove .... atheist is free they has no sin they dont believe to sin same time ppl who are so pure, why God punish that areas

Basically (and maybe slightly incorrect in fact, but the general idea should be like this)

Protestants - they believe their salvation comes through their efforts on Earth...the more they do and have, the better
Catholics - they believe in salvation through struggling on Earth...the poorer they are, the better

now try to guess, which country will have better economy...

but about this God who acts "i will punish you, and this will learn you to believe in me" and "i will punish you to test your faith"...i really dont like such a God...how exactly can this being teach me to be better person? plus it practically makes god from anyone who is strong enough as shown in Star Gate sci-fi series...

or is there something i am not getting?

Yes but historical protestant countri sbecomming atheistic , neo paganic,
soon chrsinian tradition be like we studny now ancient ways, ancient targitions in school I doubt religion will survive in Scandinavia, Baltics, Germany , BeNiLux .-..... and its fyunny mafia goes to church after killed 10 ppl and pray for forgivness and thinks tahy are better how others

I just try to say in countries where nowdays ppl less beliefs in God is less economical problems how there wghere fate is strong enought

Written by Ellrohir on 09.09.2012 at 22:43

Basically (and maybe slightly incorrect in fact, but the general idea should be like this)

Protestants - they believe their salvation comes through their efforts on Earth...the more they do and have, the better
Catholics - they believe in salvation through struggling on Earth...the poorer they are, the better

Actually both are incorrect. Whether Protestant or Catholic, one is only a Christian or receives salvation from confessing that they are a sinner, proclaiming Jesus as Lord and Savior and seeking a personal relationship with Him. Christians believe that no matter the amount of good you do during your lifetime, that if you don't proclaim Jesus as Lord, you can still be damned. That is, Christians believe that works cannot get one into heaven.

Written by Guest on 17.09.2012 at 03:14

Christians believe that no matter the amount of good you do during your lifetime, that if you don't proclaim Jesus as Lord, you can still be damned. That is, Christians believe that works cannot get one into heaven.

I think it's bullshit... and I'm Roman Catholic...

I've forgotten what the exact name of that saint was but she said that God wasn't going to ask what a die-hard Christian she was during the lifetime... instead he would have asked how many poor she helped during her lifetime, how she treated others around her...

Thing is... according to what you wrote, all those who lived before Christ's lifetime don't deserve heaven (yep, in Dante's interpretation they're all in a special heathen underworld where they can feel bad because of that)
Also... according to that one does not deserve God's love if one has never heard bout Christianity nor followed it.

I say what Christ taught was love and the idea of making everyone follow that way implied letting everyone know that God loves everyone regardless of ethnicity or religious views and the key goal for us is to love each other the way He loves us. The most direct way of showing your love to the lord is by loving others.

In the story bout Saint Martin the guy was a soldier who met a poor beggar who was in rags and exposed to cold and wind. Martin felt sorry for him and gave the poor bloke his coat. Some time later he had a vision or dream of Christ wearing that same cloak and saying "What you did to him, you did to me."

There's loads of lovely stories like that. Another one was about a girl who was about to be executed for being openly Christian. One guard who escorted her to the scaffold mocked her by asking what she'd think heaven would be. When she said that she expects to see roses there the guard asked her "Well, send me a bunch then when you get there"
And the next day he found a bunch of roses in front of his doorstep.

It's technically a rather "aww" religion (and not the only one like that...)
I actually understand when the founder of one particular denomination said that he'd had a vision where God answered to the question "Which religion is the best one?" with "None of them." The problem is that the bloke attempted to found another "best religion" while it's evident that there is no such thing as "best" religion... if there is, it's love and respect... I pursue these ideals via Catholicism but I don't mind if others do it via other religions...

Written by Ernis on 17.09.2012 at 22:49

Written by Guest on 17.09.2012 at 03:14

Christians believe that no matter the amount of good you do during your lifetime, that if you don't proclaim Jesus as Lord, you can still be damned. That is, Christians believe that works cannot get one into heaven.

I think it's bullshit... and I'm Roman Catholic...

You are missing the point. The point is that no human being deserves salvation at all. We all deserve hell because we all sin in some way during life. Christianity teaches that man is not good enough to save himself and that Jesus, God as man, died to atone for mans' sin. So salvation comes through Christ not works. As a Roman Catholic, you should know that. Of course, you may be confusing salvation with the way a Christian should behave. Works don't get one into heaven, but a Christian is supposed to live by the example taught by Christ. However, salvation does not come through works.
You should read Romans 10:9 and John 14:5-9
It doesn't matter if you call yourself Roman Catholic, Presbyterian, Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Calvinist or any other Christian denomination, if you don't know this you definitely are missing the crux of Christianity.

Written by Guest on 18.09.2012 at 02:46

Works don't get one into heaven, but a Christian is supposed to live by the example taught by Christ. However, salvation does not come through works.

So... a Christian is supposed to live by the example taught by Christ. I understand that you understand that it's more like a suggestion or like a bonus if a Christian lives by the example of Christ. However, it's not a must... right?

Well, if it is your belief, then I'm not going to add any more comments. For me, this kind of belief is not acceptable because it implies that a douchebag who has nominally accepted Christ as the saviour will be treated better than an innocent child who lived and died in a non-Christian society.

If that is the "crux" of Christianity for you and if you like to point at different lines in the Bible, then you are free to do that. I have a different view though but I guess I already elaborated my ideas few posts before.

Written by Ernis on 20.09.2012 at 19:22

Written by Guest on 18.09.2012 at 02:46

Works don't get one into heaven, but a Christian is supposed to live by the example taught by Christ. However, salvation does not come through works.

So... a Christian is supposed to live by the example taught by Christ. I understand that you understand that it's more like a suggestion or like a bonus if a Christian lives by the example of Christ. However, it's not a must... right?

You still don't understand. I never said it was a suggestion to live by the example of Christ. The Bible states that you much, but the Bible never says that you will receive salvation for that. Salvation only comes through faith in Christ ... not human works. Every religion other than Christianity teaches salvation through works. This is what I call the mountain version of religion. That is to say metaphorically God is sitting atop a mountain which all humanity is struggling and working to reach.
Christianity teaches no human is good enough to achieve salvation on their own. Instead of us working to reach salvation ("climb the proverbial mountain"), God came down to man to offer himself as the sacrifice.

Romans 3:22-24
22 This righteousness is given through faith in[a] Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

To be saved one must repent and profess Christ as lord. That is how one comes to salvation. Salvation does not come from kind deeds. However, those who have received salvation through faith in Jesus do good works as evidence of Christ's power in their lives.

So basically what I'm saying is, yes good works and faith in Christ are both integral parts of Christianity. But salvation comes through Christ. If one claims Christ but fails to bear fruit (that is that they do not behave in a loving and Christ-like manner) then one may question if that person ever came to salvation through Christ in the first place. I'm not disagreeing with you that works are important in Christianity, but just that they don't guarantee salvation.

James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

That should explain it in a nutshell.

Written by K✞ulu on 08.09.2011 at 10:51

Brothers in Christ, answer me: do you sometimes face the situation when you like the band's music, but you find it offensive to God or satanic? What do you do then?

I have just listened to Deathspell Omega's Paracletus. I like the music; it's very innovative. I have read some of the lyrics and info about the band and a few interviews, and these guys are satanists. Although their lyrics are quite ambiguous, and I didn't really try to understand them, it is still kind of disturbing. I know I don't share in their beliefs; I just like the music, but I wonder what you, brothers, would say.

Another example would be Dissection's Storm of the Light's Bane. Amazing record. Probably my favorite black metal album. Again I didn't read the lyrics (I usually don't), but I know their vocalist had something to do with satanism and later killed himself.

On the other hand, I don't listen to Lamb of God on principle after reading some of the lyrics. I simply don't feel comfortable.

So what do you think I should do? Disregard the lyrical content and enjoy the music or stay away from such kind of bands or is there a third alternative?


Share your thoughts and experiences. Thanks.

I share your feelings... I like Hypocrisy's and Samael's newer production. Neither band is very "pro-christian" as you can tell if you have listened them. I usually tolerate lyrics that criticize Christianity, but don't listen to ones that are strongly anti-christian or satanic.
I treat the lyrics as a form of fiction, like movies or videogames.

For example as I won't go cutting and tearing people apart after playing God of War neither will I practice anti-cristianity or satanism and abandon my faith after listening to these bands.

A chatolic priest solds church properthy, takes 1milj euros and run away whit a merred woman

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/croatia/9612828/Priest-with-insatiable-egotism-on-the-run-with-1m-and-a-married-woman.html

Man the new Pope is damn swag

Written by R Lewis on 13.03.2013 at 21:46

Man the new Pope is damn swag

he looks like pfedopfyle

Written by Bad English on 15.03.2013 at 02:09

he looks like pfedopfyle

Sure. 'Cause every fuckin' Pope must be a pedophile, no? I guess this is a great and objective view. Cheers.

Written by Bad English on 15.03.2013 at 02:09

Written by R Lewis on 13.03.2013 at 21:46

Man the new Pope is damn swag

pfedopfyle

Oh my.....what on earth could that mean?!

It simply means that the poster is deranged.

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Written by K✞ulu on 29.03.2013 at 10:29

By the way, I wonder what your faith is...

My faith is non-denominational Christian so I follow my own personal interpretation of Christianity, not what some priest or pastor tells me I should believe or follow lest I go to Hell for all eternity.

Written by psykometal on 31.03.2013 at 09:32

Written by Edmund Fogg on 31.03.2013 at 06:59

Isn't that agnostic rather then full blown christianity?

Sort of. Straight agnosticism is when you're not sure of what to believe and you acknowledge that there may or may not be something out there in the form of a higher power and therefore don't really conform or claim to worship/follow any specific deity or religion. What you're referring to is agnostic theism in which one believes in something (whether it be a single deity or multiple deities depends on the person in question) but still isn't entirely sure what to believe about that deity or deities and how that deity or deities actually operates.

I guess you could say I'm an agnostic [theistic] Christian because I do believe in God and Christ but I'm not entirely sure what to believe with regards to how God actually is and I prefer not to assume he is the "stringent asshole" that a lot of Christians can make him out to be. I have always found it odd and ridiculous that a lot of Christians say he is a forgiving God but then turn around and say that God will damn people like me who choose to have premarital sex and curse/swear to Hell for all eternity for our sins. I prefer to think that God will look at the sum of a person's actions as a whole throughout their lives and pass judgement based on our actions as a whole rather than just damning us to Hell because you made a few bad/poor choices in life.

Judging by the descriptions above, it is no big deal to conclude that you do not believe in Christianity. You talk about "interpretation of Christianity" and what you "prefer to think" about God. Christianity is believing that Christ died for you sins, accepting his sacrifice personally, building a relationship with Him while obeying his commandments, and staying loyal to the end (death).

As far as pastors or priests, they are instruments in God's hands to lead churches and educate people in the dogmas of Christianity, but also to inspire and support. They are not there to tell you will go to Hell. Also a church of people is needed for Christians to share their faith, their hardships, testimonies, and again inspire others. It is a place of common prayer, where the Holy Spirit acts in a special way "For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I [Christ] among them." In other words, it is impossible to be a Christian without a (local) church, and it is only normal to have such a community. You love metal, that is why hang around on Metal Storm and other fellow metalheads. You love God, you go hang out with other people who love God.

Why he is not a christian?
He is saying that he believes in Christ, okay not in a church.
But there are many christians who dont suppor the actions of a church, i can understand that because of the history.

And second God is judging the hearts of ours not the people here

What is origin of 7 deadly sins, basically of this number idea ?
7 dead lu sins, 7 ancient seas, hmm if someone put curse on you it can go up to next 7 generations, same I heard some woman told, those who have no children be curses 7 genetions backwards

what is whit this 7? where it come from,?