Written by Entropic Silence on 30.10.2009 at 08:13
But how does one now go about changing attitudes? Its all very well to attack uber-feminists (a term I would like to coin in order to represent women who despise men) but actually changing values of society (because some attitudes to women are as ingrained as cultural values are) isn't easy.

And no, I'm deadly serious. I'm not saying there's a huge gap, but you can't deny that one exists.

Written by Haddonfield on 30.10.2009 at 17:14

I believe that men and women should be equal but I hate those feminist ballbreakers who try to see sexism in everything. When I done my master's degree, I completely disproved a whole book which argued that women have a bad role in horror movies. I managed to prove the contrary and got a distinction in doing so.

Written by Angelic Storm on 30.10.2009 at 17:24

Written by Haddonfield on 30.10.2009 at 17:14

I believe that men and women should be equal but I hate those feminist ballbreakers who try to see sexism in everything. When I done my master's degree, I completely disproved a whole book which argued that women have a bad role in horror movies. I managed to prove the contrary and got a distinction in doing so.

You what? Women have a bad role in horror movies?

I find in most horror movies, the lead character is female, and if there is just one surviving character, more often than not, it is a girl.

Written by Haddonfield on 30.10.2009 at 18:34
My main argument against her. But she says that, and this is where her feminism gets ridiculous, the "final girl", last surviving female, is the wrong perception of what women should be. She is pure and thoughtful. She believes the fact girls who endulge in meaningless sex and drug taking are those who should be praised and the fact they are killed in the main sign of sexism. Let's see how many agree with that one?

Written by Angelic Storm on 30.10.2009 at 19:13

Written by Haddonfield on 30.10.2009 at 18:34
My main argument against her. But she says that, and this is where her feminism gets ridiculous, the "final girl", last surviving female, is the wrong perception of what women should be. She is pure and thoughtful. She believes the fact girls who endulge in meaningless sex and drug taking are those who should be praised and the fact they are killed in the main sign of sexism. Let's see how many agree with that one?

Well I'm obviously not going to agree with that view. There's two reasons why her assertion is ridiculous. The first is, "the last surviving female" is the perfect perception of what women should be. Strong, feisty, pure, and thoughtful. Those are all great qualities for a woman to have. I know when I was growing up, I always wanted to be like the heroines in those movies! The second reason her view is ludicrous, and the huge flaw in her logic, is how can it be sexist, when the men who indulge in meaningless sex and drug taking also get killed off in those movies? That's equality, not sexism! If that woman sees herself as a "feminist" then I don't want to be one.

Written by Haddonfield on 30.10.2009 at 19:47
What made me laugh is the fact that she states more women are killed than men in horror movies, more specifically slasher movies, without backing this up. I analysed fifteen movies in the genre and actually noticed more men are killed. It's only in films like the New York Ripper where women are mainly victims because the killer kills female prostitutes, so it's more logic than sexist. And to think she's teaching in Uni's.

Written by Haddonfield on 30.10.2009 at 19:47

Written by Angelic Storm on 30.10.2009 at 19:13

Written by Haddonfield on 30.10.2009 at 18:34
My main argument against her. But she says that, and this is where her feminism gets ridiculous, the "final girl", last surviving female, is the wrong perception of what women should be. She is pure and thoughtful. She believes the fact girls who endulge in meaningless sex and drug taking are those who should be praised and the fact they are killed in the main sign of sexism. Let's see how many agree with that one?

Well I'm obviously not going to agree with that view. There's two reasons why her assertion is ridiculous. The first is, "the last surviving female" is the perfect perception of what women should be. Strong, feisty, pure, and thoughtful. Those are all great qualities for a woman to have. I know when I was growing up, I always wanted to be like the heroines in those movies! The second reason her view is ludicrous, and the huge flaw in her logic, is how can it be sexist, when the men who indulge in meaningless sex and drug taking also get killed off in those movies? That's equality, not sexism! If that woman sees herself as a "feminist" then I don't want to be one.

What made me laugh is the fact that she states more women are killed than men in horror movies, more specifically slasher movies, without backing this up. I analysed fifteen movies in the genre and actually noticed more men are killed. It's only in films like the New York Ripper where women are mainly victims because the killer kills female prostitutes, so it's more logic than sexist. And to think she's teaching in Uni's.

Written by Matis on 11.06.2010 at 19:59

About feminism; As a scietific I learnd that "a difference in the structural organization (An anatomical difference) creates functional differences"
that's why, for me, men and women should not Be "Totally" equal! it's against the will of nature. Otherwise ... nothin'else !

Written by Angelic Storm on 13.06.2010 at 20:09

Written by Matis on 11.06.2010 at 19:59

About feminism; As a scientific I learnd that "a difference in the structural organization (An anatomical difference) creates functional differences"
that's why, for me, men and women should not Be "Totally" equal! it's against the will of nature. Otherwise ... nothin'else !

Hang on, we're talking about the genders being treated equally, in terms of respect and fairness. Not that the genders should be treated as being the same. If you do mean that men and women shouldnt be treated equally in terms of respect and fairness, why is that? (I didnt fully understand what you meant, so if Im wrongly questioning you, Im sorry. )

Written by Matis on 13.06.2010 at 20:50
I was talkin' about feminism in a global way, about th idea of feminism. About the role of men and women in a society. 'Coz when I see the claims of feminists, I think they are irrational, that's all. regarding respect and abuse; I am obviously agree. I love women (maybe just one). I mean, in full compliance!

P.S: For me feminism is the opposite of sexism, both ends of extremism. I do not know if you see what I mean

Written by Angelic Storm on 13.06.2010 at 23:49

And yep, I can see what you mean now.

Written by torwar on 14.06.2010 at 17:10

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Written by torwar on 14.06.2010 at 17:10

Well, I'm a man. And for sure a feminist as well

Why? Because I hate men beating women. I despise rape. I think equal pay for the exact same amount of work should the most natural thing. Loads of other things could be mentioned.

Written by Matis on 14.06.2010 at 21:24
Of course, women souldn't be under-paid, but they shouldn't have absolutely the same role in societies as men. 'Coz if they do; then men will be obliged to do the same things women are doin' (Housewives) wich is irrational (= Househusbands). Men won't do that (for sure), so social balance will be destabilized.

Unless the word "Feminism" doesn't mean the same thing as in french, which means that I'll have to revise my dictionnary ...

Written by Angelic Storm on 14.06.2010 at 22:30

Written by Matis on 14.06.2010 at 21:24
Of course, women souldn't be under-paid, but they shouldn't have absolutely the same role in societies as men. 'Coz if they do; then men will be obliged to do the same things women are doin' (Housewives) wich is irrational (= Househusbands). Men won't do that (for sure), so social balance will be destabilized.

Unless the word "Feminism" doesn't mean the same thing as in french, which means that I'll have to revise my dictionnary ...

Whats wrong with ''househusbands''? You say that ''men wont do that", which may be true in your part of the world. But its certainly not unheard of over here for men to do that. I think to say its ''irrational'', is a tad over the top. I do think we have moved past the days when men and women have pre-determined gender roles in society. At least I hope we have.

Written by torwar on 15.06.2010 at 00:00

@matis...to be quite honest: I wouldn't mind being a "househusband". Would give much more time to listen to metal, read all the books on my shelves, watch all the good movies, cook some good food, bake some sweet chocolate cakes, decorate the walls with some mean metal posters, write more "clever" things here, ride on my bike etc Right now it would be a bit risky moneywise. But some seven years from now I shall become a "househusband". At least for some odd nine years if I stay together with my girlfriend. So should I sit on my ass and watch her being a housewife? No way
Of course I cannot disagree that beating and raping are "human crimes". The fact is however that women are the main - if not only - victims. Women are the ones who have to escape their violent husbands or boyfriends or other males allergic to the basics of human social intelligence. It's NOT the other way around. In the real world. Not even in my "liberal" country. Lots of women are dependent on their sweet bastard husbands at home. They may not even be in a position to escape from a violent home. Why? Well, my claim is that these facts are the results of what you call "social balance"...meaning that men rule a bit more in a society and at home.
"Destabilizing" can be good fun It's also risky business. But if only "power" is at stake, then why not risk a bit of "destabilization" ? There's always a chance that some people - both sexes - may like a bit of change

Written by Matis on 15.06.2010 at 00:24
Sorry ... but in "my part of the world" =_=" I just can't stay at home cookin', washin' and raisin' my children while my wife is tryinna make money outside so that I can eat. It's about dignity I think! We were talkin' about sexual abuse and stuff & there you are wantin' your man to cook for you. See? you're a radical feminist. :p
I heard someone sayin': if you give the remote to a woman, she will take the TV! Damn!! he was right xD
Btw, hope you'll find that "perfect guy" then ... in your part of the world -_-

Written by torwar on 15.06.2010 at 12:59

@matis...ha-ha...perhaps I'll use my retirement to go to Algeria and have a chat with you at least I hope that I won't be tired...just retired
and if we don't ever agree we'll just turn the music up loud my brain and body could still be alive and kicking

Written by torwar on 15.06.2010 at 12:59
@angelic storm..."offended"? well, one can choose to close one's ears and eyes - and sometimes I guess you have to - and wait for the right moment to counterattack...and to offend . As long as it's just arguing there's still a bit of hope. And I do hope life will be kind enough to give you the role(s) you wish for yourself Roles and Rules. Can be changed. Should be changed. Being at my age and going to a metal festival like I did this weekend is for some people the strangest thing. To be a fan of Behemoth is even worse Still it happened the very same day one of the serious newspapers claimed that lesbians are the best parents. ...."its all about personal freedoms, and choice" - I agree

Written by Graveheart on 15.06.2010 at 17:29

If we had these "house husbands" around as much as there are house wives right now, I hate to say this but I guess it'd only be a matter of time before somebody complained how it's unfair that she has to be the one enslaved to her work and provide for her family while the slacker at home is just sitting on the couch, watching some TV and getting to know his kids.