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Great review, Rozz. Once again, spot on  |
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| Poetic,informative and to the point. Yeppe Your review is great. Puts the listener in the right mood for the album. |
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Esoteric managed once again to secure their sound perimeter by forging a giant with a heart made of sand, devoured slowly by the hourglass of time.
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Written by Mr. Doctor on 18.12.2011 at 15:59
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Esoteric managed once again to secure their sound perimeter by forging a giant with a heart made of sand, devoured slowly by the hourglass of time.
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Brilliant review as always 
the song that surprised me was Loss of Will which is the least bizarre song Esoteric ever wrote, it showcased their ability to write a "simple" Funeral Doom song |
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| Awesome review. Perfectly describes the music. I've listened through this many times, it was my initial encounter with Esoteric. I'm glad I gave this album a listen, it's introduced me to so much more. As I'm writing this I'm just concluding my first listen of The Pernicious Enigma. I can't wait for the break after exams so I can digest the rest of their discography. |
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| I came here to say how much I liked the album but instead I'm just going to say this review is fucking beautiful. |
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I liked "The maniacal vale" and I'll sure appreciate this new work.
Fantastic review, thank you.  |
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Killer review. so killer that i just ordered it off Amazon! Thanks man  |
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 18.12.2011 at 19:11
...I'm just going to say this review is fucking beautiful.
Same here, since I haven't heard the album.
Der, I'm your avid fangirl and I have read at least a hundred of those reviews of yours. And of course I'm gonna read the rest too. |
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| The last 2-3 minutes of "Non Being" define what extreme doom should sound like, and the review defines what an awesome review should look like. |
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| Beautiful review as usual |
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| Good review... I find this somewhat mellower version of Esoteric far more pleasing and the atmospheres are beautiful. Not much funeral stuff in it, but I never considered Esoteric to be a funeral doom band, like you often see mentioned on the net. |
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Written by Merchant of Doom on 19.12.2011 at 12:42
I never considered Esoteric to be a funeral doom band
Really interested to know what's not funeral about albums like Epistemological Despondency or Subconscious Dissolution Into The Continuum... Or pretty much their entire discography. |
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Written by Mr. Doctor on 19.12.2011 at 23:25
Really interested to know what's not funeral about albums like Epistemological Despondency or Subconscious Dissolution Into The Continuum... Or pretty much their entire discography.
While I don't fully agree with him, I can definitely see where his coming from.
I don't know, Esoteric's stuff seems a bit too pshychodelic and death/doom infused to be considered pure funeral doom. |
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Written by Slayer666 on 20.12.2011 at 02:10
While I don't fully agree with him, I can definitely see where his coming from.
I don't know, Esoteric's stuff seems a bit too pshychodelic and death/doom infused to be considered pure funeral doom.
Guess what: Funeral doom IS slowed down death/doom after all... It has always been a part of the sound. Also the psychodelic aspects doesn't stop their music from being funeral doom metal unless we have to make again the concept of funeral doom metal and say that every band has to sound the same. |
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Written by Mr. Doctor on 20.12.2011 at 02:41
Written by Slayer666 on 20.12.2011 at 02:10
While I don't fully agree with him, I can definitely see where his coming from.
I don't know, Esoteric's stuff seems a bit too pshychodelic and death/doom infused to be considered pure funeral doom.
Guess what: Funeral doom IS slowed down death/doom after all... It has always been a part of the sound. Also the psychodelic aspects doesn't stop their music from being funeral doom metal unless we have to make again the concept of funeral doom metal and say that every band has to sound the same.
this is where we differ... I don't consider funeral doom as slowed down death/doom... slowed down death/doom is slowed down death/doom... funeral doom has many other characteristics and many bands use a different style... but to me, funeral doom is more "orchestral", with heavy use of keyboards, deep growls and generally a suffocating, repetitive atmosphere, throughout, with no accelerations. I don't see that in Esoteric. They had some elements at the beginning of their career, but most of their tracks eventually speed up and turn into death/doom. They are a hybrid, not a funeral band. |
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Written by Merchant of Doom on 20.12.2011 at 11:26
funeral doom is more "orchestral", with heavy use of keyboards
Funeral doom doesn't need keyboards to stay on the genre. Funeral Doom started basically as an expantion of death/doom, it did not came out on it's own out of nowhere. Esoteric has always used Growls as well, if you talk about more high pitched screams then that doesn't matter either considering how bands like Worship had those vocals as well. |
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Written by Mr. Doctor on 20.12.2011 at 12:44
Written by Merchant of Doom on 20.12.2011 at 11:26
funeral doom is more "orchestral", with heavy use of keyboards
Funeral doom doesn't need keyboards to stay on the genre. Funeral Doom started basically as an expantion of death/doom, it did not came out on it's own out of nowhere. Esoteric has always used Growls as well, if you talk about more high pitched screams then that doesn't matter either considering how bands like Worship had those vocals as well.
no, it doesn't need keyboards at all, but I find that bands that mainly use guitars tend to verge on the death/doom side of it...
Who thinks that Ahab are funeral doom, here? |
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Written by Merchant of Doom on 20.12.2011 at 13:07
no, it doesn't need keyboards at all, but I find that bands that mainly use guitars tend to verge on the death/doom side of it...
Who thinks that Ahab are funeral doom, here?
I'm not going to mix things too much but yeah, Ahab has left the funeral doom path with their second album (their first album is still FDM to me).
Esoteric uses keyboards a lot too.. even with your logic they do count as FDM considering their heavy use of Keyboards. I really fail to see how more guitars = more death/doom. It almost feels like you want the FDM bands to just make some slow, hard to notice and completely repetitive riffs buried in keyboards all over again without evolving on the guitar part. It doesn't work that way. |
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| Skepticism and Profetus don't use a bass, but have a lot of guitar, yet are funeral doom |
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Written by Mr. Doctor on 20.12.2011 at 13:14
Written by Merchant of Doom on 20.12.2011 at 13:07
no, it doesn't need keyboards at all, but I find that bands that mainly use guitars tend to verge on the death/doom side of it...
Who thinks that Ahab are funeral doom, here?
(their first album is still FDM to me).
I think after the statement above, there is little point in discussing this anymore. We obviously have a completely different opinion on what funeral doom is or isn't...
@Marcel
I didn't mean that funeral doom bands with guitars are less funeral, but just that guitars tend to be used in a certain way in doom and therefore these bands, to me, are - or give the impression of being - more connected to other subgenres. |
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Written by Merchant of Doom on 20.12.2011 at 13:30
Written by Mr. Doctor on 20.12.2011 at 13:14
(their first album is still FDM to me).
I think after the statement above, there is little point in discussing this anymore. We obviously have a completely different opinion on what funeral doom is or isn't...
Woah, stoping the discussion of a genre for the opinion of one album that YOU put on the discussion to begin with? Truly mature. |
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Written by Mr. Doctor on 20.12.2011 at 13:35
Written by Merchant of Doom on 20.12.2011 at 13:30
Written by Mr. Doctor on 20.12.2011 at 13:14
(their first album is still FDM to me).
I think after the statement above, there is little point in discussing this anymore. We obviously have a completely different opinion on what funeral doom is or isn't...
Woah, stoping the discussion of a genre for the opinion of one album that YOU put on the discussion to begin with? Truly mature.
Is it mature calling another person immature? It's mature to recognize the diversity of opinions and avoid debating a subject ad infinitum when it's clear that the opinions are irreconcilable. I'm not into squabbling or having to have the last word. I leave that to other people. Like you. |
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Written by Merchant of Doom on 20.12.2011 at 13:40
Is it mature calling another person immature? It's mature to recognize the diversity of opinions and avoid debating a subject ad infinitum when it's clear that the opinions are irreconcilable. I'm not into squabbling or having to have the last word. I leave that to other people. Like you.
I overreacted (and felt too lazy to edit since I figured it was too late). I'll give you that.
To me it felt that you found the discussion useless and absurd just because of one album (maybe that wasn' your intention). If I were to do so with most people I wouldn't discuss at all. That's the point of discussion, people disgaree and comment on why. On the mature part, I'm sorry. Was out of line there.
The main part of the discussion wasn't about any bands anymore, but the genre in which explanations you put "to me/for me" a few times instead of that genre is in general. But yeah, let's put this at rest. |
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Written by Mr. Doctor on 20.12.2011 at 13:44
Written by Merchant of Doom on 20.12.2011 at 13:40
Is it mature calling another person immature? It's mature to recognize the diversity of opinions and avoid debating a subject ad infinitum when it's clear that the opinions are irreconcilable. I'm not into squabbling or having to have the last word. I leave that to other people. Like you.
I overreacted (and felt too lazy to edit since I figured it was too late). I'll give you that.
To me it felt that you found the discussion useless and absurd just because of one album (maybe that wasn' your intention). If I were to do so with most people I wouldn't discuss at all. That's the point of discussion, people disgaree and comment on why. On the mature part, I'm sorry. Was out of line there.
The main part of the discussion wasn't about any bands anymore, but the genre in which explanations you put "to me/for me" a few times instead of that genre is in general. But yeah, let's put this at rest.
That's ok, Doctor...  |
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Brilliant review. As brilliant as the album itself.  |
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Slinky666 - 22.12.2011 at 06:23
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The album is impressive.  |
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| Brilliant release. One of my top albums for 2011, maybe Funeral Doom metal ever. |
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