Written by NOИ on 05.03.2008 at 22:40

Written by Arian Totalis on 05.03.2008 at 02:28

No, you're wrong.

It's not just rappers like 50 cent, there are rappers out there whos lyrics are much more meaningful, and still use freequent profanity and the word "Nigga" not that abomidable term that ends with the "Er." The Wu Tang are all very talented, and for the most part deep rappers. They are without a doubt one of the largest influences that the hip hop genre has ever seen due to the alterations of the production stylings that the RZA brought to the table, as well as the lyrical intracicies that they all did. They rap about Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Bhuddism, Taoism, general spirituality, Politics, hip hop culture, and inner city struggles, yet they all still use nigga, and they still cuss. So what, that doesn't mean that they just strive for comercialism and that their raps are shit. It's just real, that's how things are, and without it being sugarcoated it's a more acurate portrayal.

Far as european rappers, well, I have nothing against them, and what's more while I may not be heavily into them I do respect them. So my rant was really about the word "nigga" and not about euroupe at all, just clearifying that.

ok maybe I am wrong, if your post was about me, but since you are not in European Rap how can you know what they are singing about ? check out for example La Caution from France, you WILL NOT hear the word nigga or nigger, never! and also here in Greece with Greek Rap, this word simply don't exist!

I am not trying to disrespect european rap, like I said, I have no problems with them. All I'm getting at is that you shouldn't just compare anyone that uses the term "nigga" or cusses to materialist poppy club rap like 50 cent. There's more meaningful rap out there, yet they still use that term, so who cares if that's a factor in the music? 50 cent is just too untalented to be put on the same level as Nas, The Wu Tang, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Kool G Rap, and LL Cool J. So I just feel the need to defend the respect of pioneers in the genre.

I used to HATE rap.
But then I listened to a lot of it.
I still hate most of it, but the 80's oldschool is actually quite good music.

Run DMC, Public Enemy. Both obviously influenced and were influenced by current metal bands. Run DMC includes the word Rock in about half their song names, and did a clever cover of Walk This Way. Public Enemy are pioneers of the Rap-Rock genre by performing with anthrax.


Enuf sed

I'm just throwing this name out here, but...

The Last Poets, anybody?

Yeah, they're beast.

I want to mention here again, the King of Ghetto Metal, SUTTER KAIN! do you know him ?



his last album August Underground was a dope, Death Metal with Rap vocals, extremely good shit!
I'm waiting for his next one soon, he is already a living legend in the underground Horrorcore scene...


if you want to hear some of his tracks, check his profile @ myspace.com

Sounded alright but nothing id listen to regularly

eh.....I didn't like it too much. In my experience, when you try to blend rap with metal, the outcome just ins't very good.

I personally love Sutter Kain's music !!!! it is not the usual Nu Metal crap, it's something new in this genre.

I dont mind some Cypress Hill, I own 3 of their albums. But does this mean I disgrace Metal, or blah blah blah(No doubt one of you kids are gonna think/say something). Death Metal owns

Written by NOИ on 08.03.2008 at 06:29

I want to mention here again, the King of Ghetto Metal, SUTTER KAIN! do you know him ?



his last album August Underground was a dope, Death Metal with Rap vocals, extremely good shit!
I'm waiting for his next one soon, he is already a living legend in the underground Horrorcore scene...

The king of "ghetto metal"?? Mate this is the most pathetic fuckin' excuse for music I've ever heard. A legend in the Horror"core" scene.... That sounds some fucked up kid-emo scene. Fuck that shit, I'll stay with real music........


if you want to hear some of his tracks, check his profile @ myspace.com

ahem. you are in the Rap topic, talking about Rap and Hip Hop and shit like that here. if you wanna talk about Cryptopsy or the new Origin or other Death Metal bands go to the Extreme Metal section, if this is the only "real music" for you. and this has nothing to do with the emo scene lol, horrorcore is not hardcore, it's just Rap with horror lyrics. perhaps you are a closeminded person and you cannot listen other genres besides Metal...

Written by [user id=31322] on 16.03.2008 at 10:13

I dont mind some Cypress Hill, I own 3 of their albums. But does this mean I disgrace Metal, or blah blah blah(No doubt one of you kids are gonna think/say something). Death Metal owns

Ah, nothing like having to deal with another closed minded arrogant douchebag. Okay, first of all, anytime you enter into a thread, you should read the opening post. So, if you did indeed do that, then you would know that a critisism without a constructive support will be marked as a spam post, so I will simply say-quit spamming in my thread. The next thing to adress here is the fact that you are arbitrary in your words and actions, as you come into this thread and proclaim Rap a disgrace to metal, but before saying that you said you own three Cypress Hill Albums and that you listen to them. Hmm....what does Cypress Hill mainly rap about again? Oh yeah, weed and guns. Isn't rapping about these things the very reason why people proclaim hip hop as "Shameful"? and yet you listen to it. You yourself are shameful, and I hate how people like you represent metal fans, because you are the epidimy of closed mindedness and self contradiction. Oh yeah, just to concur with dearaiser, you also showed how intelligent you were by calling Horrorcore "Emo."

Let me ask you this, what makes rap any less of a legitimate genre of music?

And finally, I think it's funny how you said "Kids." Just look at you.

calm down people. there is no need to compare Metal with Rap. we are in metalstorm, and we are talking mostly about Metal here, if you don't like other genres and especially Rap or Horrorcore (I'm gonna say it again, this music has NOTHING to do with Emo) then don't post here, it's not a competition for the best music genre or something like that. and dear ABUSOR, what's your problem if someone is a fucking geek with no life ? it's his choice, to live his life the way he wants. please respect other peoples opinions or stop posting at all. no offence but if you don't like something here, ignore it!

Written by [user id=31322] on 16.03.2008 at 23:38

Does it bother me that all they rap about is weed and guns? No. I never said rap is a disgrace to Metal, read my comment properly buddy. Weed and guns "shameful"? Are you fuckin kidding me!? Is Broken Hope "shameful" because of their lyrics? What I meant by "kids" is a little kid like you.. Making a big deal out of nothing. What are you? A fucking geek with no life to write a paragraph that fucking long over nothing? Your a joke. What are you doing even posting this shit?

It might not bother you that that's what they mainly rap about, but that seems to be most people's problems with hip hop to begin with, so I assumed that that's why you called it a "Disgrace to metal." That in itself was an ignorant comment, I mean, metal has nothing to do with hip hop and hip hop in no way does anything that could sully metal, so why then, do you refer to it as a disgrace? and yes, you DID call it a disgrace to metal, because you said:

Quote:
But does this mean I disgrace Metal

What did you mean by this, if you weren't calling it a disgrace to metal?

And furthermore, you said that it wasn't real music. You made both of these statements without any warrent and any kind of support to your critisism, and frankly, when people like you speak out of ignorance, especially when it comes to rap, I get quite pissed. So yeah, once more, think about what you say before you speak down to others about maturity, especially when you yourself are the one being immature.

And about me being some sort of "geek." Does me being educated or trying to make concise points against your remarks mean that I don't have a life? I love all the preconcieved notions that people have. If you want to know about me and my life, or the way I live it, go ahead and PM me, I'll tell you all about it, I'm sure you'll find alot more in me than you might think, but I above almost all things have a passion for the music that I listen to. If there's a difference of opinion that's one thing. Hell, I might not of even flamed you if you were more respectful about it, but when you speak so insultingly without even giving a worthwhile reason for what you say, yeah, I'm gonna type a paragraph about it, in hopes of maybe educating you about what you say.

Written by [user id=31322] on 17.03.2008 at 08:30

Written by NOИ on 17.03.2008 at 01:54

calm down people. there is no need to compare Metal with Rap. we are in metalstorm, and we are talking mostly about Metal here, if you don't like other genres and especially Rap or Horrorcore (I'm gonna say it again, this music has NOTHING to do with Emo) then don't post here, it's not a competition for the best music genre or something like that. and dear ABUSOR, what's your problem if someone is a fucking geek with no life ? it's his choice, to live his life the way he wants. please respect other peoples opinions or stop posting at all. no offence but if you don't like something here, ignore it!

Mate, dont even post/message me agian you orthodox freak.. Orthodox/religious black metal? That is a fucking joke wether you think it or not. Horrorcore sounds like some poofter emo-core whatever you wanna call it.... SHIT!!!!!!!! Go back to your pope orthodox priests and sing about jesus king of the fucking jews in Black Metal form.... And invert the inverted cross, I hope your Black Metal isnt too blasphemous!!!!...........................

LMAORZ hahahah orthodox freak ? yeah right, I'm a christian too, lol! ok dude, perhaps you don't know a thing! religious black metal is a subgenre of black metal with religious Satanic imagery and lyrics. take a search before you speak for something dumbass! don't you know of DeathSpell Omega or Funeral Mist ? these bands are christians too for you ? go and ask Damnated anytime, he will answer you better! but hey, you're not in black metal after all. so stop whining about other genres, especially if you don't know anything about them and you cannot understand their ideology. just go back in your cave and bang your head till death with death metal. this is the only real music for you. and the only thing to do and understand. ignore everything else and stop random posting and spamming because everyone will turn against you in the end, just because you are the joke and you don't know nothing at all. this is my last post here, because you're too young and I cannot make a conversation with people like you, I'm tired of this bullshit childish attitude...

^^ yeah, agreed. His attitude is definitly quite childish. Rather than responding apropriatly to my questions or making any kind of real arguments, he just starts namecalling and reacting in such a way as to where he reveals his own ignorance to everyone.

@ABUSOR:
20 years on me? to quote Judas Priest "You don't have to be old to be wise." You might be three years older than me, but you sir, are the acting in a fashion which might make me believe you were 14 or something, probably younger. But the bottom line is you're not worth my, or anyone elses time on here. I'm dropping this conversation.

Written by [user id=31322] on 17.03.2008 at 08:30

Mate, dont even post/message me agian you orthodox freak.. Orthodox/religious black metal? That is a fucking joke wether you think it or not. Horrorcore sounds like some poofter emo-core whatever you wanna call it.... SHIT!!!!!!!! Go back to your pope orthodox priests and sing about jesus king of the fucking jews in Black Metal form.... And invert the inverted cross, I hope your Black Metal isnt too blasphemous!!!!...........................

Nevermind. Back on topic...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ePQKD9iBfU

I dunno, one of the most epic diss tracks ever made. Ever.

Written by Arian Totalis on 22.05.2008 at 07:25

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ePQKD9iBfU

I dunno, one of the most epic diss tracks ever made. Ever.

Not bad, but my favorite will always be "Hit 'Em Up" by Tupac.

Written by Clintagräm on 22.05.2008 at 10:17

Written by Arian Totalis on 22.05.2008 at 07:25

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ePQKD9iBfU

I dunno, one of the most epic diss tracks ever made. Ever.

Not bad, but my favorite will always be "Hit 'Em Up" by Tupac.

Yeah, that's probably mine too. It's just brutal, everything about it. "That's why I fucked yo bitch you fat muthufucku" lol. Yeah, definitly agree there.

I really don't care, people like what kind of music they like, and I don't get pissed or ranty on people that like different music than I do. I just happen to be born liking Metal and rock, my brother was born liking rap. You can really control what music you like once you discover it.

I never really liked rap, the vocals just bother me, I find the themes stupid, I hate their attitude...
Yeah that really is how I feel towards rap, but I am sure that 9/10s of all people into rap thinks the same thing about metal. I am sure that if I was really interested in finding out about rap, I would probably find a few bands (I mean rappers) that I would actually enjoy.

But I just wont do that, because the genre does not appeal to me at all, I like technical stuff, I like emotional music (Im not saying that rap cant be emotional,) and I also like classical influences (is there any on rap? other than the casual orchestral in a rap "ballad"?)

I do respect rap as a genre, but I just hate the fans who basically know nothing about it but the mainstream bands (think about today's metalscene 20 times worse) therefore it is very unlikely that someday I will support it (unless there is something like "Progressive Rap") I actually saw what rap done correctly might sound like; Mr Doctor uses rapping techniques, sure it doesnt sound like rap but its a very similar technique (metal uses classical methods of singing, but it doesnt sound like an opera [say Avantasia and I shall rip your balls off]) I also enjoyed Pain of Salvation's "Scarsick" and I actually enjoyed the parts were Daniel rapped, I thought it matched the song perfectly.

Another thing that I highly dislike is when you mix shitty -core metal with rap, those are the two genres which I despise the most, mix them togeather and you got something unberable (at last to my ears)

The rappers attitude is just plain ridiculous, but isnt metal also stupid and silly at times? The same way BM uses corpse painting and all that crap to look "evil" rap uses the bling to look "pimped up". However in my eyes, rap is way more overlysaturated with those themes than metal is (black metal uses CP I find it ridiculous, but oh well)

Also, call me ignorant if you may, but I have yet to hear a rapper rapping about themes that does not relate to politics, a woman (be it a whore or not), or money in general. I've always hatted political lyrics, even on metal thats why I try to stay away from thrash. Perhaps if one rapper wrote lyrics as beautiful as a Death Doom band I would perhaps listen to it. Poetry doesnt always have to rhyme, if it does all the time it sounds childish and silly.

Well as a metalhead, I still find true the phrase "the only good rapper is a dead rapper" I dont like how it sounds, I hate the image, but I know that Im just looking at the surface, but if the genre doesnt appeal to me at all, its pointless to research about it. I am a very happy close minded metalhead (I dont listen to anything other than: metal, opera, classical, soft rock, prog rock, tango, bossa nova, pop, and pretty much all the crap you can imagine but rap)

@4look4rd: On the subject of Rappers and the subjects that they rap about, yes, there are those who take it to other levels than just those things you mentioned. The rapper Proof wrote a song called "Kurt Cobain" that's about suicide, and his last messege to his friends/family, soo...that's an emotive theme for you.

As far as orchestra and influence from outside influences, RZA from the Wu Tang clan uses Jazz Piano and Orchestra influences in his prodection. Listen to the song "Triumph."

Well, you're opinion is your opinion, and you may have it.

Perhaps I should look for those that you mentioned, but by expectations are not high at all lol

Talking about Rap, check this out...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockstar_Mentality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IbV_aPsQ1I

Such shit just disturbs me to the max.
I do know that it is Hip-Hop, but whatever... Rap, Hip-Hop, same bullshit.
As for the music, I hate it with passion. The way they act, dress, talk... it's plain bullshit.

Written by [user id=31166] on 29.05.2008 at 02:58

Talking about Rap, check this out...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockstar_Mentality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IbV_aPsQ1I

Such shit just disturbs me to the max.
I do know that it is Hip-Hop, but whatever... Rap, Hip-Hop, same bullshit.
As for the music, I hate it with passion. The way they act, dress, talk... it's plain bullshit.

Lulz. Rap and Hip Hop the same "bullshit?" O RLY? And Shop Boyz is a great representation of the genres. Good thing you know your music!

Yeah, I know, he's an expert lol

Proof that Em was sick from the first- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGAiervjo2E

@Deadraiser: Well, are La Caution black?