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Release date: 30 July 2010
Style: Power metal

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Disc I
01. Sacred Worlds
02. Tanelorn (Into The Void)
03. Road Of No Release
04. Ride Into Obsession
05. Curse My Name
06. Valkyries
07. Control The Divine
08. War Of The Thrones
09. A Voice In The Dark
10. Wheel Of Time

Disc II [bonus digipack CD]
01. Sacred Worlds [Pre-production version]
02. Wheel Of Time [Orchestral version]
03. You're The Voice [Radio Edit]
04. Tanelorn (Into The Void) [demo]
05. Curse My Name [demo]
06. A Voice In The Dark [demo]
+ Sacred Worlds [video]
+ A Journey To The Edge Of Time (Studio Documentary) [video]

The Best Power Metal Album Of 2010
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Rating:
9.3
The bards have come out of the forest. Yes, the Blind Guardians are back baby! And did they ever do it in style. Surely one of the year's most anticipated albums, At The Edge Of Time is sure to rank high on personal lists for a while.

Hit in the face with the 9+ minute long opening masterpiece "Sacred World", I had to replay it for half an hour before being able to continue on with the rest of the album. Majestic orchestral intro, grand entrance killer riffs, and vocals to die for. The first thought that went through my head at that exact time "This is already better than the entire previous album". Hell, this is Blind Guardian with a renewed energy and a hint of progressive influences I only dreamt about in the past.

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RavenKing - 05.08.2010 at 23:33  
 
Written by vezzy on 05.08.2010 at 16:23

Not really. I used to be the same way. Only liked violent and heavy music and anything that was only moderately less so I ignored and disliked. Then I became more accepting of softer songs.


What is so funny about me is the older I get, the more extreme my tastes become. The older I get, the more I find softer stuff boring and unable to keep my attention for long. I don't see the point in metal music if it's not harsh or aggressive. One of the reasons why I dislike Euroflowermetal so much.

In a few years, I will probably hate Flowermetal as much as Marcel. But I'm not that old yet. lol

A note here: I don't like Blind Guardian's modern stuff but I never considered this band as flowery or cheesy.
Angelic Storm - 05.08.2010 at 23:51  
Rating: 9 Okay, I have now finally listened to the album! lol xD

Ive only listened to the album once, so I'll hold off on giving a final rating for now, as there's a lot going on in the songs, and it'll take more than one listen to fully absorb.

What I can say though right now, is that the album is definitely better than the last one. Whereas that one had a few points where I wanted to use the skip button, this one is a far more engaging listen, and overall better album. It is incredibly proggy, where even the shortest song on the album defies the standard verse/chrous/verse system, by having a 2nd verse that is totally different musically to the 1st. "Valkyries" is probably the biggest surprise, coming off as more of a standard melodic heavy metal song, (although of course with classic Blind Guardian twists!) rather than the epic power/prog metal they are so well known for. All in all, Im impressed. Its a fine album indeed.

@Hidden_Dictator: Do you mean you wouldnt even consider Blind Guardian's modern stuff as "flowery" or cheesy?
RavenKing - 06.08.2010 at 01:05  
 
Written by Angelic Storm on 05.08.2010 at 23:51

@Hidden_Dictator: Do you mean you wouldnt even consider Blind Guardian's modern stuff as "flowery" or cheesy?


Yes, that's what I mean. I find Blind Guardian's stuff from NIME until the new album too slow in general, boring on many parts and the songs not flowing at all but it doesn't sound 'pussy' and cheesy like the stuff so many other Powermetal bands are pulling out these days. It has balls, but not enough for me. And surely not as much as their old Speed Metal stuff.
Not that I listen to it often but I prefer by far Persuader to current Blind Guardian because it's like a more extreme version of Blind Guardian.
The only album I would consider as cliched and kinda cheesy (but not as cheesy as typical Euroflowermetal) is NIME. As much as so many people praise this album, I think it's an extremely dull album full of fillers and almost as bad as ATITM. Imo, I don't like ANATO but it was much better than NIME.

As for the new album, I think it's definitely better than ATITM but I'm not sure my opinion really means something, as I think ATITM sucked so, for me, it was not hard to beat at all.
Angelic Storm - 06.08.2010 at 13:10  
Rating: 9
Written by RavenKing on 06.08.2010 at 01:05
Yes, that's what I mean. I find Blind Guardian's stuff from NIME until the new album too slow in general, boring on many parts and the songs not flowing at all but it doesn't sound 'pussy' and cheesy like the stuff so many other Powermetal bands are pulling out these days. It has balls, but not enough for me. And surely not as much as their old Speed Metal stuff.
Not that I listen to it often but I prefer by far Persuader to current Blind Guardian because it's like a more extreme version of Blind Guardian.
The only album I would consider as cliched and kinda cheesy (but not as cheesy as typical Euroflowermetal) is NIME. As much as so many people praise this album, I think it's an extremely dull album full of fillers and almost as bad as ATITM. Imo, I don't like ANATO but it was much better than NIME.

As for the new album, I think it's definitely better than ATITM but I'm not sure my opinion really means something, as I think ATITM sucked so, for me, it was not hard to beat at all.


Well, Ive always loved soft and aggressive stuff. Which is why I love so many different genres of metal. Metal is a genre that offers the best of both worlds, if you happen to like both extremes. There is some stuff that is even too soft for me, (for example I dont like symphonic metal with female vocals) but generally speaking, I can embrace softness and aggression equally. Which is why I can greatly appreciate the later albums of Blind Guardian. Even the faults I found with the last album were to do with fillers which arent memorable at all, rather than the soft sections themselves. Blind Guardian have had a soft side for most of their career. Apart from the first 2 albums, there are softer sections, or whole songs which are soft. From "Somewhere Far Beyond" onwards, the layered, softer, atmospheric aspects of their sound have grown with each successive album.

I can kinda see why you'd seperate even later BG from most power metal. Unless you find the medieval slant of a lot of their lyrics and music cheesy, then there's not really anything in their sound which is cheesy. Although unlike you I love ANATO, I do agree that it is better than NIME. While I do like that album, I think its a little bit overrated.
RavenKing - 06.08.2010 at 14:26  
 
Written by Angelic Storm on 06.08.2010 at 13:10

Well, Ive always loved soft and aggressive stuff. Which is why I love so many different genres of metal. Metal is a genre that offers the best of both worlds, if you happen to like both extremes. There is some stuff that is even too soft for me, (for example I dont like symphonic metal with female vocals) but generally speaking, I can embrace softness and aggression equally. Which is why I can greatly appreciate the later albums of Blind Guardian. Even the faults I found with the last album were to do with fillers which arent memorable at all, rather than the soft sections themselves. Blind Guardian have had a soft side for most of their career. Apart from the first 2 albums, there are softer sections, or whole songs which are soft. From "Somewhere Far Beyond" onwards, the layered, softer, atmospheric aspects of their sound have grown with each successive album.

I can kinda see why you'd seperate even later BG from most power metal. Unless you find the medieval slant of a lot of their lyrics and music cheesy, then there's not really anything in their sound which is cheesy. Although unlike you I love ANATO, I do agree that it is better than NIME. While I do like that album, I think its a little bit overrated.


As far as I remember, my favorite songs on albums were nearly always the heaviest, fastest, most aggressive ones. That's the way I am and there's nothing I can do about it.

I have absolutely nothing against medieval lyrics and imagery themselves. I'm a big Middle Ages lover. It all comes down to the way it is done. In fact, several Black Metal bands I'm listening to have medieval lyrics. What I can't stand is the way Euroflowermetal bands turn medieval lyrics in a childish cheesefest without any depth, the way it sounds so ridiculous and not credible at all.
Vikcen - 07.08.2010 at 06:05  
Rating: 10 Ei!, NIME is god!!

1) The best voice of Hansi.
2) The feeling that transmits, is absolutely unique.
3) The sound is simply perfect. Great sound, with choirs, orchestral arrangements, etc, but without sounding synthetic, without sounding too reloaded, sounding at once crude, ripped, heavy and natural.
4) The germen of the posterior albums, they mark a change here quite substantial.
5) (as disk) the most epic, tragic and sad
6) And of course, for someone who loves the book of Tolkien, this album is outstanding.

Ooooh, songs like, Mirror Mirror! (for me one of the best songs of Metal), Time Stands Still (At the Iron Hill), Into the Storm, Nightfall, The Curse of Fëanor, Blood Tears, The Eldar, so epic!, so tragic, so sad... so precious.

Somebody had to defend NIME hehe .

Respect ATITM in my opinion the main difference is, of course the experimental sound (different, but i think that it is a great sound, and great production), but mainly is the sound of Hansi's voice (equal to Touched By The Crimson King, one year before) and the change in the battery (Thomas Stauch is still a master), but this record is very good too. And i think that the singles "Fly" and "Another strange me" did much damage, only two songs and dont think that are bad songs (to me i like them), because the problem is that these songs are specially different to what we are accustomed with Blind Guardian, so the album is injured. In few words, in general a record a little different, but dont mean it is bad.
Angelic Storm - 07.08.2010 at 10:21  
Rating: 9 NIME is a good album, and I like it for sure. But I dont agree with the general consensus amongst most BG fans though that it is their best work.

"Nightfall" and "Time Stands Still (At The Iron Hill)" are great, and among my fave BG songs. And "The Eldar" is a magical ballad.

But overall, it lacks the captivating power of the preceding album, (IFTOS) nor is it as engaging and wonderfully atmospheric as the succeeding album. (ANATO)

As for ATITM, it has it's moments for sure. The first 2 songs are awesome, and get the album off to a cracking start. But after that, the album constantly dips and peaks, and never gains any real momentum. As for the two singles, "Fly" never did anything for me. But "Another Stranger Me" is catchy as hell and just rocks! It definitely isnt bad, but its not as consistently great as BG's best albums IMO.
RavenKing - 08.08.2010 at 01:00  
 
Written by Angelic Storm on 07.08.2010 at 10:21

"Nightfall" and "Time Stands Still (At The Iron Hill)" are great, and among my fave BG songs. And "The Eldar" is a magical ballad.


There's only 4 songs I don't dislike on this filler track fest: "Into The Storm", "Time Stands Still" (but both are quite average, I can listen to them but I don't really enjoy them), "Mirror Mirror" and "When Sorrow Sang" (the only songs I find good). "When Sorrow Sang" is my favorite song by far.
All the rest is boring filler after boring filler and utterly useless short tracks.
Vikcen - 08.08.2010 at 01:36  
Rating: 10 Yes, "When Sorrow Sang" is other great song.

SFB, IFTOS, NIME, ANATO, the best of Blind Guardian, hard decision for me .... Which do I choose? I think that these masterpieces will be very hard to overcome, and more i think, after listening the last album (ATEOT), but i follow listening it, and i like more and more. Now definitely my favorites songs are: Talenorn (Into The Void), Valkyries, Ride Into Obsession and Road Of No Release (the last added). Curse My Name is another very good Blind Guardian ballad.

Yes, the first two songs of ATITM are awesome. I love "The Edge" also, "Skalds And Shadows" is one of the best ballads of Blind Guardian... But yes, i prefer the preceding albums of course.
Angelic Storm - 08.08.2010 at 04:04  
Rating: 9 @Hidden_Dictator: My main issue with "Into The Storm" is I usually expect a lashing opener from BG, or something really grand and atmospheric, of which "Into The Storm" is neither. Its a decent song without being anything great, and is trounced by almost every other BG opener. lol "When Sorrow Sang" sounds awesome for a while. In fact, its the only song which isnt a ballad that could have came straight from the previous album. But once the 2nd verse comes in, quite a bit of the momentum is killed for me. I have no issues with slow parts in fast songs, and this part isnt particularly slow, but it doesnt fit the song IMO. (For example, the pre-chorus of "Im Alive" is far slower, but it does fit the song.) Its a good one, but disappointing, because it could clearly have been great.

@Vikcen: Ive listened to the new one once more, and I liked it even more the second time I listened. For me right now, its hard for me to decide quite where it sits among their other albums... It is overall, stronger than the last album, and unlike that one does gain some real momentum. It also has less filler than ANATO, so I think in terms of overall quality, it is their best since IFTOS. The album gets off to a great start with the simmering orchestral flushes of "Sacred Worlds", then totally takes off with "Tanelorn (Into The Void)" with its blistering speed metal riffs and atmospheric chorus making me wonder if it was 1995 again. xD

"Ride Into Obsession" could have easily been a single. Its melodies are so incredibly catchy, couple this with some tense passages and the awesome vocals of Hansi, (who says he cant scream anymore?) and you have a classic modern BG song. xD "Curse My Name" has that wonderful folky/medieval sound that Blind Guardian do so well. I cant get enough of that type of stuff from them! <3 I love how the album is bookended with another orchestral workout with "Wheels Of Time". This one even more epic than the opener although it's a little bit shorter. Im sure it'll take another couple of listens to fully absorb the song, but it is great.

"The Edge" starts off with a tense riff and build up, but the rest of the song is a bit messy. With some awesome parts mingling with more forgettable dull parts. A decent song that had the potential to be great. "Skalds And Shadows"... Yes! That is definitely the highlight of the 2nd half of the album. Again, that medieval sound doing the trick.
RavenKing - 08.08.2010 at 06:20  
 
Written by Angelic Storm on 08.08.2010 at 04:04

@Hidden_Dictator: My main issue with "Into The Storm" is I usually expect a lashing opener from BG, or something really grand and atmospheric, of which "Into The Storm" is neither. Its a decent song without being anything great, and is trounced by almost every other BG opener. lol "When Sorrow Sang" sounds awesome for a while. In fact, its the only song which isnt a ballad that could have came straight from the previous album. But once the 2nd verse comes in, quite a bit of the momentum is killed for me. I have no issues with slow parts in fast songs, and this part isnt particularly slow, but it doesnt fit the song IMO. (For example, the pre-chorus of "Im Alive" is far slower, but it does fit the song.) Its a good one, but disappointing, because it could clearly have been great.


I never said "Into The Storm" was a great song. I said it was quite average and I don't really enjoy it.
As for "When Sorrow Sang", it's not the best BG song, imo, it's only the best song on an utterly boring album.
Angelic Storm - 08.08.2010 at 11:35  
Rating: 9
Written by RavenKing on 08.08.2010 at 06:20
I never said "Into The Storm" was a great song. I said it was quite average and I don't really enjoy it.
As for "When Sorrow Sang", it's not the best BG song, imo, it's only the best song on an utterly boring album.


I wasnt saying you thought it was great, I was just giving my opinion on those songs. lol
ErnilEnNaur - 09.08.2010 at 03:55  
  I'd give this album an 8.5, but as it is, it gets a 9. And it's well earned. Gotta love Sacred Worlds, Curse My Name and Wheel of Time. Best albums since NiME I think. May the fire burn and the bards play their songs in the night!
Vikcen - 09.08.2010 at 04:58  
Rating: 10 @Angelic Storm:

Yes, for me, "Ride Into Obsession" is better than "A Voice In The Dark" as single, at the moment his chorus has not convinced me, but a speedy song. About "Wheel Of Time" and "Sacred Worlds", I prefer "Wheel Of Time", although "Sacred Worlds" I like more and more, at the beginning is one of the songs that cost me more to assimilate, but I ended up liking.

I've been watching your music collection, and after reading your comments, i might deduce some things about your tastes about Blind Guardian:

If i take into account your comments, and in your collection of Blind Guardian you haven't put ratings on the albums "TFTTW" and "NIME", and don't have "SFB", are three records that you like really (the masterpiece for you "IFTOS", "ANATO" and the last disc "ATEOT") if we go by your ratings. Speaking directly i might deduce that Blind Guardian really convinces you only a part of his material and some individual songs.

To me, with Blind Guardian, a curious thing happened me, I didn't like Blind Guardian until year 2005, only a few songs I liked, although never excited me. But one day, I heard the single "Battlefield" (maybe the best song of Blind Guardian for me ) and from then on, like magic art, i started listening more and more songs and albums, i began to appreciate very much the voice of Hansi, to absorb all their songs, until become one of my more favorite bands.

I think Blind Guardian in many cases, you have to like quite the kind of music they do (Which in turn is unique) to fully appreciate all their disks, to assimilate all their records, because many times their music is not readily accessible, despite the virtuosity that they show, the great compositions they perform, and in few words the good music that they do, being one of the most famous metal bands in the world. Obviously this happens to everyone (to me has happened with the last album for example, cost me a lot to assimilate, I was surprised) with all bands of music (some are more "fanatic" than others =)) and with Blind Guardian i think that might be your case, only you like one part of them .
Angelic Storm - 09.08.2010 at 11:41  
Rating: 9 Yes, I only put albums in my collection that I physically own. If I only have MP3s of an album, I dont count that as me owning it. Im sure some people do do that, but it's wrong IMO. The first Blind Guardian album I bought was IFTOS. I thought it was great, so I then aqquired TFTTW and ANATO. Funnily enough, it was when I bought NIME that my interest in BG waned for a while. Because I was completely underwhelmed by it. But I still loved their other stuff enough that I bought ATITM when it came out. A few weeks after that album came out, I aqquired the internet for the first time. After a while, I was finally able to listen to the first two albums and SFB. I still do not physically own these albums which is why they are not listed in my BG collection on MS. But obviously I have an opinion on them because I have heard them. lol

I havent rated TFTTW because it has been quite a while since I listened to the full thing, so I wouldnt feel confident enough to give it a definitive rating without listening to it once again. NIME isnt rated either for a similar reason. I'd have also found that album quite hard to rate when I initially heard it, because most of it didnt grab me.

Back when I bought IFTOS, it was a few years before I got the internet. And I didnt know anything about them at all. I just saw the cd in the shop one day, and bought it on a whim. The rest as they say, is history. You're wrong that I only like "one part" of Blind Guardian. Yes, I think some albums are better than others, but that doesnt mean that I completely dislike the albums I consider to be lesser, because that isnt true at all. I have an appreciation for all their albums, even if that appreciation isnt equal for all their stuff. For example, FTB is poles apart in style from ANATO but I think both albums are great. I prefer IFTOS to ATITM, but that doesnt mean I dislike the latter album. lol

As for "Battlefield", that song is simply immense and is definitely one of my fave Blind Guardian songs. xD
RavenKing - 09.08.2010 at 14:40  
 
Written by Angelic Storm on 09.08.2010 at 11:41

Funnily enough, it was when I bought NIME that my interest in BG waned for a while. Because I was completely underwhelmed by it.


The same happened to me. After all the comments I heard from people praising this album, I expected something really great. You can imagine what a huge disappointment it was when I got this boring album full of filler tracks. Saying it was a disappointment is an understatement. I had no idea what people found so great about this album and I still have no idea as to why this album is rated so high by some. Imo, it's the most overrated album in the history of Powermetal.
I usually say "it's the Tolkien-related effect that makes some people believe that everything Tolkien-related is great".
You can see this Tolkien-related effect on the band Battlelore too. It's a shit band but you will see some people thinking it's genius only because they use Tolkien themes and imagery.
Angelic Storm - 09.08.2010 at 18:02  
Rating: 9 @Hidden_Dictator: Well, at the time I bought NIME, I wasnt aware of the high esteem it's held in by BG fans and power metal fans alike. But just by the album title, the song titles, and reading the booklet on my way home from buying it, It was easy to deduce that it was a concept album. Which made me even more excited to listen to it. I was very disappointed when I heard it. Most of the songs, I only listened to parts of rather than the full thing. And then I sort of lost interest in BG for a while till I knew they were bringing out a new album. Their current album at that time was ANATO, and because I liked that, my interest was peaked in BG again once I realised they were bringing out a new album. When I finally checked out SFB and FTB, I was annoyed at myself for not checking them out much sooner. Even though Ive never seen FTB in a store near me.

I think you're right about why some people at least, rave about it. That it's the subject matter of the album. Over the last 4 years or so, Ive found a bit more to appreciate in the album, as I didnt give it much of a chance when I initially bought it. But even still, Id only consider about 4 of the songs as being great. And out of an album with 11 songs, (thats discounting the other 11 songs which are more like interludes than actual songs) that's not a good percentage. I wouldnt even consider it a classic BG album, let alone a classic power metal album. Out of their later material, the latest and ANATO are IMO better albums. Its hard to decide between NIME and ATITM for me... both have about the same amount of tracks that Id say I love. lol
Vikcen - 09.08.2010 at 23:17  
Rating: 10 @Angelic Storm:

Well, then it has been made clear that you are a "fanatic" of Blind Guardian... no, it's a joke hehe. Ok, since I was wrong, my deductions were not good at all

If you see my ratings of Blind Guardian, I consider myself quite "fanatic" of all their stuff. I quite like almost everything except their first two albums, of which I have an opinion too (listening the mp3), and I haven't bought them, the rest yes. In general one tries to buy records that you really enjoy, and rarely you risk with a disk, or you take a fancy, and it can go out good or bad =). However someday I will another opportunity to BOF and FTB =) although in principle I don't like them.


Written by RavenKing on 09.08.2010 at 14:40

Written by Angelic Storm on 09.08.2010 at 11:41

Funnily enough, it was when I bought NIME that my interest in BG waned for a while. Because I was completely underwhelmed by it.


The same happened to me. After all the comments I heard from people praising this album, I expected something really great. You can imagine what a huge disappointment it was when I got this boring album full of filler tracks. Saying it was a disappointment is an understatement. I had no idea what people found so great about this album and I still have no idea as to why this album is rated so high by some. Imo, it's the most overrated album in the history of Powermetal.
I usually say "it's the Tolkien-related effect that makes some people believe that everything Tolkien-related is great".
You can see this Tolkien-related effect on the band Battlelore too. It's a shit band but you will see some people thinking it's genius only because they use Tolkien themes and imagery.



Simple, you can't understand why to me i love NIME and ANATO, and me i can't understand why you love BOF and FTB, but where is the debate or else? hehe over tastes... But if NIME and IFTOS are consider by majority for the people as the best, is for something. i love IFTOS, NIME and ANATO equally, for me the best, but which is better? They are different albums, i love Blind Guardian definitily. I think you have many prejudices about NIME.
Angelic Storm - 10.08.2010 at 03:08  
Rating: 9
Quote:
@Angelic Storm:

Well, then it has been made clear that you are a "fanatic" of Blind Guardian... no, it's a joke hehe. Ok, since I was wrong, my deductions were not good at all

If you see my ratings of Blind Guardian, I consider myself quite "fanatic" of all their stuff. I quite like almost everything except their first two albums, of which I have an opinion too (listening the mp3), and I haven't bought them, the rest yes. In general one tries to buy records that you really enjoy, and rarely you risk with a disk, or you take a fancy, and it can go out good or bad =). However someday I will another opportunity to BOF and FTB =) although in principle I don't like them.



I guess that depends on your definition of "fanatic" really. I think I love too many bands to call myself a "fanatic" of any band. Also, I dont unreservedly love all of BG's stuff. So Im not a fanatic in that sense. But if by "fanatic" you mean Im a big fan of the band, then yes I am. lol

Aside from BOF, which is a largely forgettable debut, and ATITM and NIME which are a bit patchy, I love all of BG's albums. FTB is a similar style to BOF, but I find the songwriting to be just so much better on FTB than the debut. As for your second point, before I had the internet, I had no choice really but to take risks when buying some albums. I dont buy anywhere near as much albums as I used to do. But back then, you had to take risks sometimes if you wanted to discover new bands to love. Yep, I did buy a small amount of crap due to that, but mostly it paid off, like with BG. lol

Written by Vikcen on 09.08.2010 at 23:17
Simple, you can't understand why to me i love NIME and ANATO, and me i can't understand why you love BOF and FTB, but where is the debate or else? hehe over tastes... But if NIME and IFTOS are consider by majority for the people as the best, is for something. i love IFTOS, NIME and ANATO equally, for me the best, but which is better? They are different albums, i love Blind Guardian definitily. I think you have many prejudices about NIME.


Of course I can understand why you love NIME, just because I dont love it, doesnt mean that nobody else can. lol As for ANATO, I actually do that love that album! (I know Hidden_Dictator doesn't like it though) So why would I not be able to understand that? I dont love BOF either. I think it's okay, but when I listen to FTB, its like BOF with better, more memorable songs. I dont have any prejudices about NIME, it just doesnt do much for me. Not as a cohesive whole anyways. And there are songs I love on it, as I mentioned before. "Nightfall", "Time Stands Still (At The Iron Hill)", "The Eldar"... "Blood Tears" is quite a majestic song as well, even though it could flow a bit better. xD

As a whole, I just dont think its stands up as well as most of their other albums.
Vikcen - 10.08.2010 at 05:48  
Rating: 10
Written by Angelic Storm on 10.08.2010 at 03:08


I guess that depends on your definition of "fanatic" really. I think I love too many bands to call myself a "fanatic" of any band. Also, I dont unreservedly love all of BG's stuff. So Im not a fanatic in that sense. But if by "fanatic" you mean Im a big fan of the band, then yes I am. lol


I mean big fan =)


Written by Angelic Storm on 10.08.2010 at 03:08


Aside from BOF, which is a largely forgettable debut, and ATITM and NIME which are a bit patchy, I love all of BG's albums. FTB is a similar style to BOF, but I find the songwriting to be just so much better on FTB than the debut.


My impressions were wrong. Now it has been made totally clear that you are a big fan as me

Written by Angelic Storm on 10.08.2010 at 03:08

As for your second point, before I had the internet, I had no choice really but to take risks when buying some albums. I dont buy anywhere near as much albums as I used to do. But back then, you had to take risks sometimes if you wanted to discover new bands to love. Yep, I did buy a small amount of crap due to that, but mostly it paid off, like with BG. lol


Not is my case. When i began to work and then get money, i have internet =). Your case is diferent, you have money but internet don't exists still. In my case when I was not working (as estudent), only i bought few discs from the money of my parents, but very few, and only the music that i really liked from some pubs, very very few.

But i hope that now with internet, you can buy what really you enjoy =) (the majority at least)






My text, this text:

Written by Vikcen on 09.08.2010 at 23:17
Simple, you can't understand why to me i love NIME and ANATO, and me i can't understand why you love BOF and FTB, but where is the debate or else? hehe over tastes... But if NIME and IFTOS are consider by majority for the people as the best, is for something. i love IFTOS, NIME and ANATO equally, for me the best, but which is better? They are different albums, i love Blind Guardian definitily. I think you have many prejudices about NIME.


going to Hidden_Dictator, for their comment:

Written by RavenKing on 09.08.2010 at 14:40


The same happened to me. After all the comments I heard from people praising this album, I expected something really great. You can imagine what a huge disappointment it was when I got this boring album full of filler tracks. Saying it was a disappointment is an understatement. I had no idea what people found so great about this album and I still have no idea as to why this album is rated so high by some. Imo, it's the most overrated album in the history of Powermetal.
I usually say "it's the Tolkien-related effect that makes some people believe that everything Tolkien-related is great".
You can see this Tolkien-related effect on the band Battlelore too. It's a shit band but you will see some people thinking it's genius only because they use Tolkien themes and imagery.




Written by Angelic Storm on 10.08.2010 at 03:08


Of course I can understand why you love NIME, just because I dont love it, doesnt mean that nobody else can. lol As for ANATO, I actually do that love that album! (I know Hidden_Dictator doesn't like it though) So why would I not be able to understand that? I dont love BOF either. I think it's okay, but when I listen to FTB, its like BOF with better, more memorable songs. I dont have any prejudices about NIME, it just doesnt do much for me. Not as a cohesive whole anyways. And there are songs I love on it, as I mentioned before. "Nightfall", "Time Stands Still (At The Iron Hill)", "The Eldar"... "Blood Tears" is quite a majestic song as well, even though it could flow a bit better. xD

As a whole, I just dont think its stands up as well as most of their other albums.


Yes you are right, of course you can understand it, i don't think the opposite about you. And i don't think that you have prejudices.

And Mirror Mirror??
RavenKing - 10.08.2010 at 14:32  
  @Angelic Storm: I know that lots of people like it but I hate the song "Nightfall".
Angelic Storm - 10.08.2010 at 14:41  
Rating: 9
Written by RavenKing on 10.08.2010 at 14:32

@Angelic Storm: I know that lots of people like it but I hate the song "Nightfall".


I definitely understand why you dont like it. You have a particular aversion to softer sounding metal, and "Nightfall" is more or less a ballad. lol xD
RavenKing - 11.08.2010 at 00:01  
 
Written by Angelic Storm on 10.08.2010 at 14:41

I definitely understand why you dont like it. You have a particular aversion to softer sounding metal, and "Nightfall" is more or less a ballad. lol xD


True, but it's not the softness and the slowness I hate the most in the song. It's Hansi's vocals. I find him extremely annoying in this song.
Angelic Storm - 11.08.2010 at 00:56  
Rating: 9
Written by RavenKing on 11.08.2010 at 00:01
True, but it's not the softness and the slowness I hate the most in the song. It's Hansi's vocals. I find him extremely annoying in this song.


Hmm... I think they're fine, but I guess if the music itself grates, then the vocals might annoy also. lol

@Vikcen: "Mirror Mirror"... I'm aware this one is classed as a fan favorite, and although I can partly see why that is, its a song that doesn't flow very well IMO. The intro, first verse, and the chorus is great. But the 2nd verse musically kills a bit of the song's momentum for me. The song does have some really good stuff in it, but I cant call it a classic because it doesnt flow as well as it should. xD Unlike about half of the other tracks on the album though, this one does have some merit.
Vikcen - 11.08.2010 at 04:39  
Rating: 10 Well, about ATEOT, my final rating is 9. I will highlight the sound of the album, possibly the best album in this sense, which is very meritorious and difficult for the type of music that makes Blind Guardian. If we compare it with the ANATO (similar to ATEOT) I think they have improved the sound, and definitely they have found the key (although the Hansi's voice doesn't sound so crude (raw, harsh) any more).

Now I'm listening the second cd, and it is very interesting. I love "You're The Voice" (Radio Edit) .


By the way:

Written by Angelic Storm on 10.08.2010 at 03:08


Of course I can understand why you love NIME, just because I dont love it, doesnt mean that nobody else can.




if you finally didn't understand it before, when I said:

Written by Vikcen on 09.08.2010 at 23:17


Simple, you can't understand why to me i love NIME and ANATO, and me i can't understand why you love BOF and FTB,


I only said it in a figurative sense.
RavenKing - 11.08.2010 at 05:01  
 
Written by Angelic Storm on 11.08.2010 at 00:56

Written by RavenKing on 11.08.2010 at 00:01
True, but it's not the softness and the slowness I hate the most in the song. It's Hansi's vocals. I find him extremely annoying in this song.


Hmm... I think they're fine, but I guess if the music itself grates, then the vocals might annoy also. lol



I liked Hansi's vocals much more on the older albums (until "Somewhere Far Beyond"). It's a bit hard to explain but I think you will get my point. Hansi's vocals, though his voice is quite different, gave me a feeling a big like Mille's vocals on "Extreme Aggression" and "Coma Of Souls". Let me explain: both have a sharp touch and are not exactly clean. When you combine them to fast, guitar driven music with pounding drums (Blind Guardian's music has never been Thrash but it had an obvious Thrashy touch back then - the very reason why many Powermetal fans who don't listen to anything more extreme often dislike early Blind Guardian), the songs give you a feeling kinda comparable to a certain extent. I will always like Kreator much more and Blind guardian were never as extreme as Kreator but the fast pace of their old songs combined to the sharpness of vocals creates some kind of focus and relentless 'straightforwardness' that you won't get from modern and soft Powermetal.

For me, old Blind Guardian and early Helloween is the real Powermetal (like we called it back then, Melodic Speed Metal or sometimes German Speed) and what people call Powermetal nowadays is often more standard Heavy Metal sped up a bit (even hard rock in some cases). That's why I consider PM pretty much dead (for my idea of what PM is) nowadays and replaced by flowermetal. The way I conceive Powermetal in my mind is obviously different from that of people these days.

The comment I quoted a while ago about "you can see it's not Powermetal but Speed Metal by it actually being good" goes in the same direction. For me, Powermetal is some kind of Melodic Speed Metal music, by opposition to the slower and softer stuff people call Powermetal now. (forget the terms, it's the difference between both that I wish to underline or translate the sentence as "you can see it's not flowermetal but real Powermetal by it actually being good")
I know it can get confusing between the terms but the bottom line is, for me, real Powermetal is what some people refer to as Speed Metal. The other stuff they call Powermetal is only soft commercial barely-metal music that doesn't deserve to be labeled as Powermetal because it's too slow and soft.

All this is the result of the genre having gone increasingly slower and softer throughout the years, especially since around the millenia. (Imo, to the point it's not even Powermetal anymore but commercial garbage, extremely watered down)
Vikcen - 11.08.2010 at 05:53  
Rating: 10 @Hidden_Dictator:

Guy, you definitely have a problem haha, forget Blind Guardian. I mean, don't expect that Blind Guardian one day makes a record that you might like. Forget your hopes!
Angelic Storm - 11.08.2010 at 12:45  
Rating: 9
Written by RavenKing on 11.08.2010 at 05:01
I liked Hansi's vocals much more on the older albums (until "Somewhere Far Beyond"). It's a bit hard to explain but I think you will get my point. Hansi's vocals, though his voice is quite different, gave me a feeling a big like Mille's vocals on "Extreme Aggression" and "Coma Of Souls". Let me explain: both have a sharp touch and are not exactly clean. When you combine them to fast, guitar driven music with pounding drums (Blind Guardian's music has never been Thrash but it had an obvious Thrashy touch back then - the very reason why many Powermetal fans who don't listen to anything more extreme often dislike early Blind Guardian), the songs give you a feeling kinda comparable to a certain extent. I will always like Kreator much more and Blind guardian were never as extreme as Kreator but the fast pace of their old songs combined to the sharpness of vocals creates some kind of focus and relentless 'straightforwardness' that you won't get from modern and soft Powermetal.


Hmm... I wouldn't really compare the situation with Hansi to the one with Mille, because Hansi's voice has simply matured, whereas Mille's sounds a bit ragged these days. Or even a little shot. lol In fact, Hansi's vocals in the earlier days were far less raspy on the early albums, and not as aggressive as the later albums. His vocals in the early days had an innocence to them, and lacked maturity. But they definitely had a charm to them, and suit those albums very well. Yep, the first two albums were thrashy, even if they weren't out and out thrash. Even a lot of the albums that came afterwards had some thrashy touches, but this was an element of their sound that diminished gradually over the succeeding years. I love Kreator and Blind Guardian just about equally, but that's because I can appreciate both softer and more aggressive metal. I know there are some BG fans who much prefer the early stuff, and some who prefer the later stuff. Becuase of preferences/aversions to sofer or aggressive metal. For me FTB and SFB are great albums, but then so are ANATO and ATEOT. I think this is probably why IFTOS is my fave BG album. I see that one as the bridge album between the earlier and later BG material.

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For me, old Blind Guardian and early Helloween is the real Powermetal (like we called it back then, Melodic Speed Metal or sometimes German Speed) and what people call Powermetal nowadays is often more standard Heavy Metal sped up a bit (even hard rock in some cases). That's why I consider PM pretty much dead (for my idea of what PM is) nowadays and replaced by flowermetal. The way I conceive Powermetal in my mind is obviously different from that of people these days.


Well, when I first got into early Helloween, (around 1991) the term power metal didn't exist. Or at least it didnt exist to describe the genre that is now known as power metal. Early Helloween was melodic speed metal, but if you even look at "Walls Of Jericho", most of the songs on that album have very catchy choruses and soft-ish melodies. Both of which are seen as staple ingredients in what is now known as "powermetal". I dont think PM is dead at all. Though I do think a lot of very different bands occupy that genre with some being "flowery" as you describe. But even a lot of latter day PM retains some of the speed, and even aggression of early PM. Take a look at BG's latest for instance. Yep, the speed/thrashy influences are nowhere near as prominent as on the early releases, but both "Tanelorn" and "Voice In The Dark" contain scathing riffs, that production aside, could easily have fitted on earlier albums. Helloween also, have never completely abandoned their speed metal roots, aside from the early 90's albums.

Quote:
The comment I quoted a while ago about "you can see it's not Powermetal but Speed Metal by it actually being good" goes in the same direction. For me, Powermetal is some kind of Melodic Speed Metal music, by opposition to the slower and softer stuff people call Powermetal now. (forget the terms, it's the difference between both that I wish to underline or translate the sentence as "you can see it's not flowermetal but real Powermetal by it actually being good")
I know it can get confusing between the terms but the bottom line is, for me, real Powermetal is what some people refer to as Speed Metal. The other stuff they call Powermetal is only soft commercial barely-metal music that doesn't deserve to be labeled as Powermetal because it's too slow and soft.


Well, I guess there is a line between melodic speed metal, and what is now known today as powermetal. The problem is, in a lot of cases that line is quite blurred. And maybe because unlike you, I dont have a particular aversion to softer stuff, its not as noticeable for me. But, to give an example, later BG is very different from say, the stuff that Dream Evil do, yet both are labelled as power metal. The latter to me are more a standard heavy metal band, not power metal. PM is a genre that seems to accomodate a lot of different sounding bands. Which can be a bit confusing I guess.

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All this is the result of the genre having gone increasingly slower and softer throughout the years, especially since around the millenia. (Imo, to the point it's not even Powermetal anymore but commercial garbage, extremely watered down)


Again... if you take a look at Helloween's Keeper albums for example, there is a lot of softer and slower stuff on those albums. And they were released in the late 80's. I think those albums in particular, are what kick started the genre that is now known as power metal, because there were softer and slower elements to go along with the speed.
RavenKing - 11.08.2010 at 13:36  
  Indeed, I don't consider bands like Dream Evil, current Hammerfall, current Edguy/Avantasia and lots of others as Powermetal. They're either standard Heavy Metal, hard rock, pop rock or even cock rock, depending on bands and songs. And I dismiss them as mediocre commercial popmetal.
Angelic Storm - 11.08.2010 at 17:32  
Rating: 9
Written by RavenKing on 11.08.2010 at 13:36

Indeed, I don't consider bands like Dream Evil, current Hammerfall, current Edguy/Avantasia and lots of others as Powermetal. They're either standard Heavy Metal, hard rock, pop rock or even cock rock, depending on bands and songs. And I dismiss them as mediocre commercial popmetal.


Although I might not go as far as you, I can kinda see what you mean. Current Hammerfall still has some speed, and adventure from the old days. ("Legion" and "One Of A Kind" from the latest album being examples) I dont think they've changed THAT much. Edguy... yes. Most of their material now is more like hard rock (and occasional cock rock) or standard heavy metal than the power metal of the first 2 albums especially. (The old Helloween influence is all over those albums! lol) Dream Evil were never out and out PM IMO, even on their first album. They've always been more standard melodic metal. Pop rock is something that Tobi Sammet has produced quite a bit of on the last 3 Avantasia albums. Whether someone likes that type of stuff or not, is of course just all down to personal preference. But yep, a lot of stuff is labelled power metal these days that have little to do with the style as it originally was. The thing is now, a lot of bands labelled PM now, are predominantly hard rock/standard heavy metal etc, with maybe slight elements or traces of old PM. Wheras with old PM it was the other way around. Predominantly PM/Melodic speed metal, with maybe slight elements of those lighter styles. (I.E. Early Helloween)
vezzy - 11.08.2010 at 17:40  
  Or Jag Panzer.
JÄY - 11.08.2010 at 23:14  
Rating: 9
Written by Angelic Storm on 11.08.2010 at 17:32

Written by RavenKing on 11.08.2010 at 13:36

Indeed, I don't consider bands like Dream Evil, current Hammerfall, current Edguy/Avantasia and lots of others as Powermetal. They're either standard Heavy Metal, hard rock, pop rock or even cock rock, depending on bands and songs. And I dismiss them as mediocre commercial popmetal.


Although I might not go as far as you, I can kinda see what you mean. Current Hammerfall still has some speed, and adventure from the old days. ("Legion" and "One Of A Kind" from the latest album being examples) I dont think they've changed THAT much. Edguy... yes. Most of their material now is more like hard rock (and occasional cock rock) or standard heavy metal than the power metal of the first 2 albums especially. (The old Helloween influence is all over those albums! lol) Dream Evil were never out and out PM IMO, even on their first album. They've always been more standard melodic metal. Pop rock is something that Tobi Sammet has produced quite a bit of on the last 3 Avantasia albums. Whether someone likes that type of stuff or not, is of course just all down to personal preference. But yep, a lot of stuff is labelled power metal these days that have little to do with the style as it originally was. The thing is now, a lot of bands labelled PM now, are predominantly hard rock/standard heavy metal etc, with maybe slight elements or traces of old PM. Wheras with old PM it was the other way around. Predominantly PM/Melodic speed metal, with maybe slight elements of those lighter styles. (I.E. Early Helloween)



Ay, I do declare....the walls of jericho was true power metal (melodic speed) and its sad that it never took off like its keeper counterpart...but it may make a return
RavenKing - 12.08.2010 at 00:10  
 
Written by Angelic Storm on 11.08.2010 at 17:32

Although I might not go as far as you, I can kinda see what you mean. Current Hammerfall still has some speed, and adventure from the old days. ("Legion" and "One Of A Kind" from the latest album being examples) I dont think they've changed THAT much. Edguy... yes. Most of their material now is more like hard rock (and occasional cock rock) or standard heavy metal than the power metal of the first 2 albums especially. (The old Helloween influence is all over those albums! lol) Dream Evil were never out and out PM IMO, even on their first album. They've always been more standard melodic metal. Pop rock is something that Tobi Sammet has produced quite a bit of on the last 3 Avantasia albums. Whether someone likes that type of stuff or not, is of course just all down to personal preference. But yep, a lot of stuff is labelled power metal these days that have little to do with the style as it originally was. The thing is now, a lot of bands labelled PM now, are predominantly hard rock/standard heavy metal etc, with maybe slight elements or traces of old PM. Wheras with old PM it was the other way around. Predominantly PM/Melodic speed metal, with maybe slight elements of those lighter styles. (I.E. Early Helloween)


Yeah. It went completely the other way around. That's why I can hardly consider most 'Powermetal' bands nowadays as Powermetal. They dumbed down their music to hard rock.

A little note here: 2 or 3 slightly uptempo songs on an album chock-full of mid-tempo and slow songs don't make it a Powermetal album.

Hammerfall is a joke nowadays, if you ask me. Shitty popmetal.
Vikcen - 16.08.2010 at 22:52  
Rating: 10 My god, I love "You're The Voice" (radio edit), the feeling is totally amazing, it is spectacular. Even i might say that it is one of the best songs of Blind Guardian. O_O
Kalmari - 18.08.2010 at 13:51  
Rating: 10
Written by RavenKing on 12.08.2010 at 00:10

Written by Angelic Storm on 11.08.2010 at 17:32

Although I might not go as far as you, I can kinda see what you mean. Current Hammerfall still has some speed, and adventure from the old days. ("Legion" and "One Of A Kind" from the latest album being examples) I dont think they've changed THAT much. Edguy... yes. Most of their material now is more like hard rock (and occasional cock rock) or standard heavy metal than the power metal of the first 2 albums especially. (The old Helloween influence is all over those albums! lol) Dream Evil were never out and out PM IMO, even on their first album. They've always been more standard melodic metal. Pop rock is something that Tobi Sammet has produced quite a bit of on the last 3 Avantasia albums. Whether someone likes that type of stuff or not, is of course just all down to personal preference. But yep, a lot of stuff is labelled power metal these days that have little to do with the style as it originally was. The thing is now, a lot of bands labelled PM now, are predominantly hard rock/standard heavy metal etc, with maybe slight elements or traces of old PM. Wheras with old PM it was the other way around. Predominantly PM/Melodic speed metal, with maybe slight elements of those lighter styles. (I.E. Early Helloween)


Yeah. It went completely the other way around. That's why I can hardly consider most 'Powermetal' bands nowadays as Powermetal. They dumbed down their music to hard rock.

A little note here: 2 or 3 slightly uptempo songs on an album chock-full of mid-tempo and slow songs don't make it a Powermetal album.

Hammerfall is a joke nowadays, if you ask me. Shitty popmetal.


I have never even thought Hammerfall was power metal but anyways, those bands that you mentioned are not the core of power metal. If you listen to bands like Blind Guardian, Sabaton, Saxon, Helloween, Symphony X and Gamma Ray you'll notice that they are actually becoming more Power Metal they have ever been. For example Saxon (80's American "Heavy" Metal rock band, today making songs like Lionheart and Battalions Of Steel or Helloween's Gambling With The Devil (what Chameleon? Listen to The Saints or Kill It).
JÄY - 23.08.2010 at 17:40  
Rating: 9 Many many many listens in, im still convinced its great

I dont like the middle slump (Curse My Name, Valkyries, Control The Divine, War Of The Thrones) but for some reason i almost completely forgive it...and i usually skip control the divine
BattleHamster - 26.08.2010 at 02:15  
Rating: 9 Really? "Curse My Name," "Valkyries," and "Control the Divine" are my three favorite songs, except for maybe "Wheel of Time."
Derwood - 26.08.2010 at 02:22  
 
Written by Kalmari on 18.08.2010 at 13:51

For example Saxon (80's American "Heavy" Metal rock band, today making songs like Lionheart and Battalions Of Steel or Helloween's Gambling With The Devil (what Chameleon? Listen to The Saints or Kill It).


Saxon are NWOBHM, not American, though these days they're more hard rock than anything.
BORT - 26.08.2010 at 17:48  
Rating: 10 Great album.
Angelic Storm - 26.08.2010 at 18:08  
Rating: 9
Written by JÄY on 23.08.2010 at 17:40

Many many many listens in, im still convinced its great

I dont like the middle slump (Curse My Name, Valkyries, Control The Divine, War Of The Thrones) but for some reason i almost completely forgive it...and i usually skip control the divine


I actually love all those songs aside from "Control The Divine", which I think is as close to a filler I can find on the album.
JÄY - 26.08.2010 at 18:14  
Rating: 9
Written by Angelic Storm on 26.08.2010 at 18:08

Written by JÄY on 23.08.2010 at 17:40

Many many many listens in, im still convinced its great

I dont like the middle slump (Curse My Name, Valkyries, Control The Divine, War Of The Thrones) but for some reason i almost completely forgive it...and i usually skip control the divine


I actually love all those songs aside from "Control The Divine", which I think is as close to a filler I can find on the album.


yeah control is kinda filler...we agree there... and its notta slump in quality, just energy...i dont think theyre bad at all
Varegan - 27.08.2010 at 18:41  
Rating: 10 After hundred times of listening, all songs are my favorite! i can't choose one or two, an outstanding production
Valentin B - 27.08.2010 at 19:15  
Rating: 7 The symphonic parts are more symphonic and the thrashy parts are more thrashy then in most of their stuff. not as catchy though a decent album. 7
akvan - 28.08.2010 at 20:21  
Rating: 10
Written by Valentin B on 27.08.2010 at 19:15

The symphonic parts are more symphonic and the thrashy parts are more thrashy then in most of their stuff. not as catchy though a decent album. 7

The symphonic parts are perfect , I love theme
BattleHamster - 28.08.2010 at 21:15  
Rating: 9
Written by JÄY on 26.08.2010 at 18:14

Written by Angelic Storm on 26.08.2010 at 18:08

Written by JÄY on 23.08.2010 at 17:40

Many many many listens in, im still convinced its great

I dont like the middle slump (Curse My Name, Valkyries, Control The Divine, War Of The Thrones) but for some reason i almost completely forgive it...and i usually skip control the divine


I actually love all those songs aside from "Control The Divine", which I think is as close to a filler I can find on the album.


yeah control is kinda filler...we agree there... and its notta slump in quality, just energy...i dont think theyre bad at all

Are you kidding? "Control the Divine" is my favorite song!
Angelic Storm - 28.08.2010 at 21:18  
Rating: 9
Written by JÄY on 26.08.2010 at 18:14
yeah control is kinda filler...we agree there... and its notta slump in quality, just energy...i dont think theyre bad at all


It's actually a good song, it just takes a little while to get going. I thought the first verse was a bit meh, especially the first time I heard it. lol I do kinda see what you mean. I think the tracklisting could have been arranged better so all those songs werent lumped together.
BORT - 31.08.2010 at 05:47  
Rating: 10 Lol I really like control and divine
Kalmari - 31.08.2010 at 12:32  
Rating: 10
Written by Derwood on 26.08.2010 at 02:22

Written by Kalmari on 18.08.2010 at 13:51

For example Saxon (80's American "Heavy" Metal rock band, today making songs like Lionheart and Battalions Of Steel or Helloween's Gambling With The Devil (what Chameleon? Listen to The Saints or Kill It).


Saxon are NWOBHM, not American, though these days they're more hard rock than anything.

Yeah but I meant in the 80's they only tried to get famous in america like on the albums Rock The Nations and Crusader. I probably wrote it a bit unclear. And the new album is very much power metal, see Valley Of The Kings and Battalions Of Steel
Mountain King - 14.09.2010 at 13:14  
 
Written by RavenKing on 06.08.2010 at 14:26

Written by Angelic Storm on 06.08.2010 at 13:10

Well, Ive always loved soft and aggressive stuff. Which is why I love so many different genres of metal. Metal is a genre that offers the best of both worlds, if you happen to like both extremes. There is some stuff that is even too soft for me, (for example I dont like symphonic metal with female vocals) but generally speaking, I can embrace softness and aggression equally. Which is why I can greatly appreciate the later albums of Blind Guardian. Even the faults I found with the last album were to do with fillers which arent memorable at all, rather than the soft sections themselves. Blind Guardian have had a soft side for most of their career. Apart from the first 2 albums, there are softer sections, or whole songs which are soft. From "Somewhere Far Beyond" onwards, the layered, softer, atmospheric aspects of their sound have grown with each successive album.

I can kinda see why you'd seperate even later BG from most power metal. Unless you find the medieval slant of a lot of their lyrics and music cheesy, then there's not really anything in their sound which is cheesy. Although unlike you I love ANATO, I do agree that it is better than NIME. While I do like that album, I think its a little bit overrated.


As far as I remember, my favorite songs on albums were nearly always the heaviest, fastest, most aggressive ones. That's the way I am and there's nothing I can do about it.

I have absolutely nothing against medieval lyrics and imagery themselves. I'm a big Middle Ages lover. It all comes down to the way it is done. In fact, several Black Metal bands I'm listening to have medieval lyrics. What I can't stand is the way Euroflowermetal bands turn medieval lyrics in a childish cheesefest without any depth, the way it sounds so ridiculous and not credible at all.


Man u listen to this shit called Black Metal? i could never listen to that. Grab a Heavy Metal CD if u like Raw stuff. Priest, Accept, Primal Fear something like that. Every Genre has its Shitty bands and cheese especially Black Metal...
RavenKing - 15.09.2010 at 00:28  
 
Written by Mountain King on 14.09.2010 at 13:14

Man u listen to this shit called Black Metal? i could never listen to that. Grab a Heavy Metal CD if u like Raw stuff. Priest, Accept, Primal Fear something like that. Every Genre has its Shitty bands and cheese especially Black Metal...


Since when does lame old outdated standard heavy metal is rawer than Black Metal, please tell me.
Priest, Accept, Primal Fear... It all sounds like commercial mainstream metal to me.

You can like this kind of metal as much as you want but don't come here telling me it's rawer than Black Metal. Talk of a laughable comment.

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