Written by @gent_-_orange on 05.05.2011 at 02:07

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 05.05.2011 at 01:41

Written by @gent_-_orange on 05.05.2011 at 01:34

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 04.05.2011 at 17:09

The Red In The Sky Is Ours is great. But Slaughter Of The Soul is totally bland and watered down. I consider it one of the most, if not most, overrated albums in the history of metal. It's for people who actually can't enjoy proper death metal. SotS is plastic pretend dm lacking any bite or atmosphere whatsoever.

I think that statement applies to a lot of the Gothenburg bands, They are not "Melodic Death Metal" in the literal sense of the word... They are melodic no doubt but I would not consider them death metal or group them in with bands like Entombed or Dismember who can be melodic (mostly with their guitar solos) and play Death Metal, If you know what I mean.

I totally understand and know what you're saying. Even Dark Tranquillity doesn't play melodic death metal in that sense and they are the first to agree on that. Eucharist and Desultory at least play death metal which is melodic so does the Finnish Demigod.

I still don't understand how the Gothenburg (and other bands playing that style) got mislabelled as death metal when they have almost nothing to do with dm. Case here being Arch Enemy. Only thing deathish there are those lame grunts by their marketing trick Angela.
Musically nothing death metal in those sorts of bands at all.

I cannot tell you the amount of times I have been relentlessly mocked by my friends for saying basically what you have just said, I think a lot of people must think this way about it. Harsh Vocals + Melodic Riffs/Leads = Must be Melodic Death Metal (which is incorrect IMO) , A lot of the things that makes Death Metal what it is are ignored with the gothenburg bands (Atmosphere, Song Structure etc). Thanks mate for proving to me im not totally nuts .

yeah also tuning of guitar and bass.
There used to be a lot more sane people like the two of us around here on MS that would agree with us (Valan, Azidahak and some others) but unfortunately they aren't around any more.
But ask most people my age that so the rise of true death metal and all and 9 out of 10 would agree with us.
For example In Flames is just a sped up and more brutal Iron Maiden musically on Jester's Race and such.
So here in this case the majority is bonkers and the vast vast vast minority is sane.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 05.05.2011 at 02:21

Written by @gent_-_orange on 05.05.2011 at 02:07

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 05.05.2011 at 01:41

Written by @gent_-_orange on 05.05.2011 at 01:34

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 04.05.2011 at 17:09

The Red In The Sky Is Ours is great. But Slaughter Of The Soul is totally bland and watered down. I consider it one of the most, if not most, overrated albums in the history of metal. It's for people who actually can't enjoy proper death metal. SotS is plastic pretend dm lacking any bite or atmosphere whatsoever.

I think that statement applies to a lot of the Gothenburg bands, They are not "Melodic Death Metal" in the literal sense of the word... They are melodic no doubt but I would not consider them death metal or group them in with bands like Entombed or Dismember who can be melodic (mostly with their guitar solos) and play Death Metal, If you know what I mean.

I totally understand and know what you're saying. Even Dark Tranquillity doesn't play melodic death metal in that sense and they are the first to agree on that. Eucharist and Desultory at least play death metal which is melodic so does the Finnish Demigod.

I still don't understand how the Gothenburg (and other bands playing that style) got mislabelled as death metal when they have almost nothing to do with dm. Case here being Arch Enemy. Only thing deathish there are those lame grunts by their marketing trick Angela.
Musically nothing death metal in those sorts of bands at all.

I cannot tell you the amount of times I have been relentlessly mocked by my friends for saying basically what you have just said, I think a lot of people must think this way about it. Harsh Vocals + Melodic Riffs/Leads = Must be Melodic Death Metal (which is incorrect IMO) , A lot of the things that makes Death Metal what it is are ignored with the gothenburg bands (Atmosphere, Song Structure etc). Thanks mate for proving to me im not totally nuts .

yeah also tuning of guitar and bass.
There used to be a lot more sane people like the two of us around here on MS that would agree with us (Valan, Azidahak and some others) but unfortunately they aren't around any more.
But ask most people my age that so the rise of true death metal and all and 9 out of 10 would agree with us.
For example In Flames is just a sped up and more brutal Iron Maiden musically on Jester's Race and such.
So here in this case the majority is bonkers and the vast vast vast minority is sane.

100 % agree with you ... but i guess history is written now so their is not much we can do

Nope what those people are doing is called revisionism, so rewriting history to fit their own thoughts and perceptions

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 05.05.2011 at 02:21

Written by @gent_-_orange on 05.05.2011 at 02:07

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 05.05.2011 at 01:41

Written by @gent_-_orange on 05.05.2011 at 01:34

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 04.05.2011 at 17:09

The Red In The Sky Is Ours is great. But Slaughter Of The Soul is totally bland and watered down. I consider it one of the most, if not most, overrated albums in the history of metal. It's for people who actually can't enjoy proper death metal. SotS is plastic pretend dm lacking any bite or atmosphere whatsoever.

I think that statement applies to a lot of the Gothenburg bands, They are not "Melodic Death Metal" in the literal sense of the word... They are melodic no doubt but I would not consider them death metal or group them in with bands like Entombed or Dismember who can be melodic (mostly with their guitar solos) and play Death Metal, If you know what I mean.

I totally understand and know what you're saying. Even Dark Tranquillity doesn't play melodic death metal in that sense and they are the first to agree on that. Eucharist and Desultory at least play death metal which is melodic so does the Finnish Demigod.

I still don't understand how the Gothenburg (and other bands playing that style) got mislabelled as death metal when they have almost nothing to do with dm. Case here being Arch Enemy. Only thing deathish there are those lame grunts by their marketing trick Angela.
Musically nothing death metal in those sorts of bands at all.

I cannot tell you the amount of times I have been relentlessly mocked by my friends for saying basically what you have just said, I think a lot of people must think this way about it. Harsh Vocals + Melodic Riffs/Leads = Must be Melodic Death Metal (which is incorrect IMO) , A lot of the things that makes Death Metal what it is are ignored with the gothenburg bands (Atmosphere, Song Structure etc). Thanks mate for proving to me im not totally nuts .

yeah also tuning of guitar and bass.
There used to be a lot more sane people like the two of us around here on MS that would agree with us (Valan, Azidahak and some others) but unfortunately they aren't around any more.
But ask most people my age that so the rise of true death metal and all and 9 out of 10 would agree with us.
For example In Flames is just a sped up and more brutal Iron Maiden musically on Jester's Race and such.
So here in this case the majority is bonkers and the vast vast vast minority is sane.

Sorry for the long quote but I need to reply to the whole discussion just saying:
I totally agree with you guys!!!
I'm not really Marcel's age but I saw the rise of true death metal.
In 1990 and 1991 there were Morbid Angel, Death, Entombed, Autopsy, Bolt Thrower, Morgoth, Obituary etc.
We listened also to Carcass, Napalm Death and Terrorizer. (Not death metal really, but you get the point)
These were the death metal bands who's stuff was available over here.
No sign from In Flames or At The Gates or Dark Tranquillity.
Not that they didn't exist at that time, but at that moment nobody was interested or didn't know them: the only death metal bands known to mankind (over here) were the ones I mentioned plus Cannibal Corpse, Pestilence, Gorefest, Nocturnus and a couple more. THAT was death metal.
I don't get the term "melodic death metal": you can play death metal with melody but it stays death f#cking metal!
Then someone says: hey, I've listened to a sissy version of death metal and we call it melodic death metal. That alone almost killed the entire death metal movement. or not.
Btw I like The Red In THe Sky Is Ours a lot

The best thing about old school death metal was i was able to get virtually all the Earache releases on a military base in an island of the middle of the Pacific Ocean.

but as with Dizzy above, from my perspective it was the same basic bands. Morbid Angel, Death, Entombed, Bolt Thrower, Carcass, Napalm Death (who were DM around '91 with "Harmony Corruption"), Amon (before the name changes), Pestilence, yada yada.

i just think of it as death metal.

great stuff.

never got into the In Flames/At The Gates stuff then, and only a couple years ago did i check out Dark Tranquility. Liked Character, but doesn't seem remotely deathy to me.

and i'll take the old stuff over the crystal produced, polished, technical stuff i hear nowadays. might sound good. might have impressive riffs, but is just missing something which made the initial volley of bands so special.

Hmm, I haven't seen any mentions of the Dutch Burial. Extremely underrated Death Metal in the vein of Massacre. A great band. Their album, Relinquished Souls is very rare and I've been looking for it for quite some time. It's on eBay now and it's already reached 50 euros 8 days before the auction ends. Anyway, check out this song, The Second Coming:

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.03.2011 at 21:01

How the hell could I forget two bands that do my country proud

Hail Of Bullets (new though old school with a veteran star studded line up)

and of course
the almighty

Asphyx. Especially their demos and first two full lengths and mini as well as comeback album Death... The Brutal Way.

You still forgot an absolute Death Metal beast from your country (another that shares members with Asphyx). You forgot the mighty: PENTACLE

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 05.05.2011 at 02:21

Written by @gent_-_orange on 05.05.2011 at 02:07

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 05.05.2011 at 01:41

Written by @gent_-_orange on 05.05.2011 at 01:34

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 04.05.2011 at 17:09

The Red In The Sky Is Ours is great. But Slaughter Of The Soul is totally bland and watered down. I consider it one of the most, if not most, overrated albums in the history of metal. It's for people who actually can't enjoy proper death metal. SotS is plastic pretend dm lacking any bite or atmosphere whatsoever.

I think that statement applies to a lot of the Gothenburg bands, They are not "Melodic Death Metal" in the literal sense of the word... They are melodic no doubt but I would not consider them death metal or group them in with bands like Entombed or Dismember who can be melodic (mostly with their guitar solos) and play Death Metal, If you know what I mean.

I totally understand and know what you're saying. Even Dark Tranquillity doesn't play melodic death metal in that sense and they are the first to agree on that. Eucharist and Desultory at least play death metal which is melodic so does the Finnish Demigod.

I still don't understand how the Gothenburg (and other bands playing that style) got mislabelled as death metal when they have almost nothing to do with dm. Case here being Arch Enemy. Only thing deathish there are those lame grunts by their marketing trick Angela.
Musically nothing death metal in those sorts of bands at all.

I cannot tell you the amount of times I have been relentlessly mocked by my friends for saying basically what you have just said, I think a lot of people must think this way about it. Harsh Vocals + Melodic Riffs/Leads = Must be Melodic Death Metal (which is incorrect IMO) , A lot of the things that makes Death Metal what it is are ignored with the gothenburg bands (Atmosphere, Song Structure etc). Thanks mate for proving to me im not totally nuts .

yeah also tuning of guitar and bass.
There used to be a lot more sane people like the two of us around here on MS that would agree with us (Valan, Azidahak and some others) but unfortunately they aren't around any more.
But ask most people my age that so the rise of true death metal and all and 9 out of 10 would agree with us.
For example In Flames is just a sped up and more brutal Iron Maiden musically on Jester's Race and such.
So here in this case the majority is bonkers and the vast vast vast minority is sane.

I've been saying this for years. "Melodic Death Metal" is one of the most poorly named sub-genres of Metal. Back when it was coined anything with harsh vocals that didn't sound like the Norwegian Black Metal explosion that had harsh vocals was called "Death Metal." Fortunately, in recent years we were sort of given an out. When referring to bands like In Flames, Soilwork, or whatever clone of those bands you hear refer to it is "Melo-death." Then you are clearly referring to the poorly named sub-genre of Metal that has nothing to do with it's similarly named counterpart. When you say "Melodic Death Metal" make sure you are referring to bands like Intestine Baalism or Avulsed (However, at that point it's a style descriptor and not a sub-genre).

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 05.05.2011 at 03:26

Nope what those people are doing is called revisionism, so rewriting history to fit their own thoughts and perceptions

This is true, however, in many cases the history being "rewritten" was never solid except in the minds of small circles of people. Whether it's "Slayer is true DEATH METAL/BLACK METAL and Cannibal Corpse is GRINDCORE," the way the terms "Black Metal" or "Heavy Metal" in general were just thrown around arbitrarily based on interchangeable parts of the music such as lyrical content or simply to sell albums, or even Black Sabbath being a Heavy Metal band (the Ozzy-era does have a few songs that helped lay the groundwork for Traditional/Doom Metal, but that was FAR from the majority of their catalog) for every person who was alive in that era who screams their Metal I'll find you one that says they're a Hard Rock band. If you speak outside of their set mindset you are speaking blasphemy (and to some of them attacking the core of their person), but if you take the population as a whole you find that many of the statements by "revisionists" were mirrored by others at the same time. Not that I actually expect to see a little change and uniformity to discussions, hell, it's still impossible to many convince people that Venom didn't coin the term "Black Metal."

Got Two more bands, first its Tormented who play a filthy as hell style of Swe DM, Hardly original but awesome anyway
Then Tribulation who play Death Metal with slight thrash leanings.

Written by @gent_-_orange on 07.05.2011 at 21:44

Then Tribulation who play Death Metal with slight thrash leanings.

Yeah, The Horror from Tribulation is a really outstanding album.
For sure in my top 5 of 2009.

Written by @gent_-_orange on 07.05.2011 at 21:44

Then Tribulation who play Death Metal with slight thrash leanings.

Two of the guys from Tribulation also play in Stench who released a great old school dm album last year.

Written by P.W. Bear on 07.05.2011 at 18:57

You still forgot an absolute Death Metal beast from your country (another that shares members with Asphyx). You forgot the mighty: PENTACLE

I actually never ever really liked them

Written by Narterath on 07.05.2011 at 17:08

Hmm, I haven't seen any mentions of the Dutch Burial. Extremely underrated Death Metal in the vein of Massacre. A great band. Their album, Relinquished Souls is very rare and I've been looking for it for quite some time. It's on eBay now and it's already reached 50 euros 8 days before the auction ends. Anyway, check out this song, The Second Coming:

Really good band, their demo is even more Massacre worship.
As far as I know you can still order Relinquished Souls via the band's contact.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 10.05.2011 at 21:32

Written by Narterath on 07.05.2011 at 17:08

Hmm, I haven't seen any mentions of the Dutch Burial. Extremely underrated Death Metal in the vein of Massacre. A great band. Their album, Relinquished Souls is very rare and I've been looking for it for quite some time. It's on eBay now and it's already reached 50 euros 8 days before the auction ends. Anyway, check out this song, The Second Coming:

Really good band, their demo is even more Massacre worship.
As far as I know you can still order Relinquished Souls via the band's contact.

I tried contacting them a couple of years ago but I got no answer. Do you have an e-mail address that might be valid?

Written by Narterath on 10.05.2011 at 23:49

I tried contacting them a couple of years ago but I got no answer. Do you have an e-mail address that might be valid?

I see their official site hasn't been updated since 2006, so I guess 'no luck there, but you try through http://www.myspace.com/burialdeathmetal

or try via these contacts
BURIAL
Tulpstraat 15
4537 SM Terneuzen
THE NETHERLANDS

Tel.: +31-(0)115-615874

e-mail:
burial@zeelandnet.nl (band)
burial@xs4all.nl (booking)

Written by @gent_-_orange on 07.05.2011 at 21:44


Two of the guys from Tribulation also play in Stench who released a great old school dm album last year.

I love these kind of OSDM Revivalist bands, I'm digging this record a lot, Thanks for the rec.

Written by @gent_-_orange on 11.05.2011 at 17:45

Written by @gent_-_orange on 07.05.2011 at 21:44


Two of the guys from Tribulation also play in Stench who released a great old school dm album last year.

I love these kind of OSDM Revivalist bands, I'm digging this record a lot, Thanks for the rec.

funny that while you quoteds me it shows if you quoted yourself

I also love revivalist osdm such as Stench, Miasmal, Morbus Chron, Veternus, Krypts, Stench Of Decay, Gorephilia, Swallowed, Grave Ritual, Maim, Undergang, Burial Invocation and sucgh. For vinyl check out Me Saco Un Ojo (got all their releases up to now) and for cd Detest Records and Darek Dewscent.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 12.05.2011 at 00:42

Written by @gent_-_orange on 11.05.2011 at 17:45

Written by @gent_-_orange on 07.05.2011 at 21:44


Two of the guys from Tribulation also play in Stench who released a great old school dm album last year.

I love these kind of OSDM Revivalist bands, I'm digging this record a lot, Thanks for the rec.

funny that while you quoteds me it shows if you quoted yourself

I also love revivalist osdm such as Stench, Miasmal, Morbus Chron, Veternus, Krypts, Stench Of Decay, Gorephilia, Swallowed, Grave Ritual, Maim, Undergang, Burial Invocation and sucgh. For vinyl check out Me Saco Un Ojo (got all their releases up to now) and for cd Detest Records and Darek Dewscent.

Haha the quoting is a bit wierd . You mentioned some really good bands there, I need payday to come so I can get some more of the're stuff . I noticed you mentioned Morbus Chron... I dont know if you have heard but they have announced an album http://www.revolvermag.com/news/morbus-chron-announce-new-album.html If thats the case i cant wait for it... Even the artwork looks awesome.

Miasmal is really cool. If you don't have anything by them you can go to miasmal.net and download Abduction Of The Soul, Anima Sola, Creation Of Fire, Toxic Breed & Death Mask for free.

Written by Ghostdancer on 12.05.2011 at 01:43

Miasmal is really cool. If you don't have anything by them you can go to miasmal.net and download Abduction Of The Soul, Anima Sola, Creation Of Fire, Toxic Breed & Death Mask for free.

Did not know that thanks a lot mate.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 12.05.2011 at 00:42

Written by @gent_-_orange on 11.05.2011 at 17:45

Written by @gent_-_orange on 07.05.2011 at 21:44


Two of the guys from Tribulation also play in Stench who released a great old school dm album last year.

I love these kind of OSDM Revivalist bands, I'm digging this record a lot, Thanks for the rec.

funny that while you quoteds me it shows if you quoted yourself

I also love revivalist osdm such as Stench, Miasmal, Morbus Chron, Veternus, Krypts, Stench Of Decay, Gorephilia, Swallowed, Grave Ritual, Maim, Undergang, Burial Invocation and sucgh. For vinyl check out Me Saco Un Ojo (got all their releases up to now) and for cd Detest Records and Darek Dewscent.

Yeah I love Dark Descent Records too. Man, talk about a label blowing up! But, who is this "Darek Dewscent" dude you mentioned?

Written by Dangerboner on 12.05.2011 at 10:37

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 12.05.2011 at 00:42

Written by @gent_-_orange on 11.05.2011 at 17:45

Written by @gent_-_orange on 07.05.2011 at 21:44


Two of the guys from Tribulation also play in Stench who released a great old school dm album last year.

I love these kind of OSDM Revivalist bands, I'm digging this record a lot, Thanks for the rec.

funny that while you quoteds me it shows if you quoted yourself

I also love revivalist osdm such as Stench, Miasmal, Morbus Chron, Veternus, Krypts, Stench Of Decay, Gorephilia, Swallowed, Grave Ritual, Maim, Undergang, Burial Invocation and sucgh. For vinyl check out Me Saco Un Ojo (got all their releases up to now) and for cd Detest Records and Darek Dewscent.

Yeah I love Dark Descent Records too. Man, talk about a label blowing up! But, who is this "Darek Dewscent" dude you mentioned?

that's fat finger typos on my miniscule phone keyboard

what I love about Dark Descent is also their re-releasing of old forgotten Swedish dm such as Toxaemia and Uncanny.

Btw other great osdm bands are Grave Miasma and Cruciamentum from England

Written by Narterath on 07.05.2011 at 17:08

Hmm, I haven't seen any mentions of the Dutch Burial. Extremely underrated Death Metal in the vein of Massacre. A great band. Their album, Relinquished Souls is very rare and I've been looking for it for quite some time. It's on eBay now and it's already reached 50 euros 8 days before the auction ends. Anyway, check out this song, The Second Coming:

good news. Just received word that Memento Mori from Spain will be rereleasing this album later this year on cd with bonus tracks.
They will also be rereleasing Acrostichon - Engraved In Black + bonus tracks and also Delirium - Zoouuuh + plus bonus tracks.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 13.05.2011 at 15:51

Written by Narterath on 07.05.2011 at 17:08

Hmm, I haven't seen any mentions of the Dutch Burial. Extremely underrated Death Metal in the vein of Massacre. A great band. Their album, Relinquished Souls is very rare and I've been looking for it for quite some time. It's on eBay now and it's already reached 50 euros 8 days before the auction ends. Anyway, check out this song, The Second Coming:

good news. Just received word that Memento Mori from Spain will be rereleasing this album later this year on cd with bonus tracks.
They will also be rereleasing Acrostichon - Engraved In Black + bonus tracks and also Delirium - Zoouuuh + plus bonus tracks.

That's great news! The Acrostichon and Delirium albums are great as well. Thanks for the heads up

Check out Torturerama - Left As Remains (demo CD/EP 2010)

This is some old-school worship!
Band hails from Belgium and offers us dirrrrrty, grrrroovy, rrrrreal death metal.
It's a self-released album so I hope they find a good label and give us some more.

Written by Koen Smits on 13.05.2011 at 21:25

Check out Torturerama - Left As Remains (demo CD/EP 2010)

This is some old-school worship!
Band hails from Belgium and offers us dirrrrrty, grrrroovy, rrrrreal death metal.
It's a self-released album so I hope they find a good label and give us some more.

maybe they should contact Dark Descent or Detest (which is Belgian I think) those two thrive on old school worship.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 13.05.2011 at 21:37

Written by Koen Smits on 13.05.2011 at 21:25

Check out Torturerama - Left As Remains (demo CD/EP 2010)

This is some old-school worship!
Band hails from Belgium and offers us dirrrrrty, grrrroovy, rrrrreal death metal.
It's a self-released album so I hope they find a good label and give us some more.

maybe they should contact Dark Descent or Detest (which is Belgian I think) those two thrive on old school worship.

Too late I just found out they signed with Aural Offerings from France. Good news anyway.

Didn't check if someone mentioned them, but I'm loving the finns Desecresy at the moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hpaBZzAgTA&feature=related

Only one album out (last year), but damn, so freaking heavy

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 22.04.2011 at 00:49

Written by X-Ray Rod on 21.04.2011 at 23:28

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.04.2011 at 23:08

Sonne Adam - Transformation.

I'm just listening to some songs.... Holy fuck this stuff is nice! Nice find Marcel.

Like I said i didn't find it. Ed Warby of so many bands found it for me.

Had I know about it like two weeks ago you could have wenjoyed it last week
btw also check out Grave Miasma (they played the batcave on Friday durin Sunn O)))'s show)

After I downloaded it and listened to it a lot yesterday and today I just had to staffpick the shit out of that album.

It's only a debut, this band seems really promising! I liked the doomy vibe it had during most of the songs. Hopefully they will get some attention with the MS awards.