Written by Angelic Storm on 03.11.2011 at 10:52

For Kreator, both "Cause For Conflict" and "Outcast" are weak albums to me. The latter album in particular is for the most part dull and monotonous. I really like both "Renewal" and "Endorama" though...

Of those Cause Of Conflict is the worst, aggressive but repetitive. Outcast is monotonous at times, true, but I do like it

Hum, let's see...

Iron Maiden can't make the cut because of Virtual Eleven and Dances Of Death
Skyclad might have... until In The... All Together
Paradise Lost fall short too, 'cause there's this stupid Believe In Nothing.
No Dream Theater either. Not that they really released a crap album, but Falling Into Infinity, Train Of Thought and A Dramatic Turn Of Event are really borderline as far as crap is concerned.
Won't mention Kreator either, as I don't like their earlier works - but I do love Outcast and Endorama.
And Moonspell fails because of Darkness And Hope, while Alchemist have their first two releases...
Orphaned Land and Textures are only at four, Coroner and Esoteric at five.


Enslaved I can't say, still haven't listened to some of their early works. But all I know is pretty damn good. Same goes for Symphony X.

Dark Tranquillity never disappointed me so far. Some albums are weaker, sure, but not bad per se. So there's one.
Nevermore never release a bad album either, even if Enemies Of Reality and The Obsidian Conspiracy border on average. We've got two.

Written by Darkside Momo on 22.11.2011 at 13:55
Of those Cause Of Conflict is the worst, aggressive but repetitive. Outcast is monotonous at times, true, but I do like it

"Cause For Conflict" is the messiest Kreator album. I do prefer it over "Outcast", however. "Outcast" is okay, about a handful of the songs on it I really like, and the rest is just throwaway stuff for me. lol

Written by Angelic Storm on 22.11.2011 at 14:16

Written by Darkside Momo on 22.11.2011 at 13:55
Of those Cause Of Conflict is the worst, aggressive but repetitive. Outcast is monotonous at times, true, but I do like it

"Cause For Conflict" is the messiest Kreator album. I do prefer it over "Outcast", however. "Outcast" is okay, about a handful of the songs on it I really like, and the rest is just throwaway stuff for me. lol

yeah, 'messiest' defines it pretty well!

Written by Darkside Momo on 22.11.2011 at 14:19
yeah, 'messiest' defines it pretty well!

It sounds like a band who's lost it's way a bit. As if they're stuck between experimentation, and their old thrash sound. "Endorama" and "Renewal" are better, way more consistent albums, as they're focussed. CFC is a very confused album I think... some awesome songs like "Catholic Despot" and "Sculpture Of Regret" though!

Written by Darkside Momo on 22.11.2011 at 14:02

... and Esoteric at five.

The band are now at six, so they can be considered.
Epistemological Despondency
The Pernicious Enigma
Metamorphogenesis
Subconscious Dissolution into the Continuum
The Maniacal Vale
Paragon of Dissonance

even though some consider Metamorphogenesis an e.p. it clocks in at 45 minutes and is also considered a full length by the band themselves. And seeing five of the releases are 2CD we could almost say the band has released 11 albums

Written by Angelic Storm on 22.11.2011 at 14:26

Written by Darkside Momo on 22.11.2011 at 14:19
yeah, 'messiest' defines it pretty well!

It sounds like a band who's lost it's way a bit. As if they're stuck between experimentation, and their old thrash sound. "Endorama" and "Renewal" are better, way more consistent albums, as they're focussed. CFC is a very confused album I think... some awesome songs like "Catholic Despot" and "Sculpture Of Regret" though!

Yeah I guess you're right! but tbh I don't really remember any tracks from CFC... I should listen to it again
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True, it could be argued that ASF is a dud. I personally enjoyed it, but it definitely doesn't have that more universal appreciation factor that AtHoW does.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 22.11.2011 at 14:51

And seeing four of the releases are 2CD we could almost say the band has released 10 albums

Fixed your post.

No way the little Doc just corrected Marcel on doom info.

Written by X-Ray Rod on 22.11.2011 at 21:22

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 22.11.2011 at 14:51

And seeing four of the releases are 2CD we could almost say the band has released 10 albums

Fixed your post.

of course you're totally right Subconscious Dissolution into the Continuum is of course also only a single cd.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 22.11.2011 at 21:33

No way the little Doc just corrected Marcel on doom info.

Roddy Boy is a good student btw you should have seen him drool in front of my original doom cd's

I bet it formed a decent sized puddle on your floor.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 22.11.2011 at 21:49

I bet it formed a decent sized puddle on your floor.

Let's just say that we needed snorkels...

Written by Troy Killjoy on 22.11.2011 at 21:49

I bet it formed a decent sized puddle on your floor.

Let's say their's still residu left

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 22.11.2011 at 22:10

Let's say their's still residu left

Heh... I always knew you collected saliva.

Written by X-Ray Rod on 22.11.2011 at 22:26

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 22.11.2011 at 22:10

Let's say their's still residu left

Heh... I always knew you collected saliva.

yuo don't know what else I collect mwahahahaha

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 22.11.2011 at 22:48

Written by X-Ray Rod on 22.11.2011 at 22:26

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 22.11.2011 at 22:10

Let's say their's still residu left

Heh... I always knew you collected saliva.

yuo don't know what else I collect mwahahahaha

porno on vinyl ?

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 22.11.2011 at 22:50
porno on vinyl ?

Nah, Marcel doesn't like porn at all.
My bet is on any kind of physical residue any of his guest might have left at his house.

Toe nail clippings?

This thread has officially been derailed.

Aside from Bolt Thrower I think I'd give props to Immolation. And Hypothermia.

Written by X-Ray Rod on 22.11.2011 at 22:52

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 22.11.2011 at 22:50
porno on vinyl ?

Nah, Marcel doesn't like porn at all.
My bet is on any kind of physical residue any of his guest might have left at his house.

than physical residue of his guests on vinyl perhaps ?

Written by Troy Killjoy on 22.11.2011 at 22:59
This thread has officially been derailed.

Technically.. you started it.

But yeah people, keep it on topic from now on.

I cannot honestly think of any bands that have never disappointed me. Opeth come close, but I am not a big fan at all of Watershed or Heritige. Nightwish has never released an awful album, but the difference between their Oceanborn/Wishmaster operatic era of greatness and the commercial stuff that followed is obvious. Ayreon again, doesn't have any bad albums, but has a couple of "meh" albums.

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 22.11.2011 at 02:27

Written by Oaken on 21.11.2011 at 21:48

Immortal. I've listened to all of their albums except Sons Of Northern Darkness and All Shall Fall. Among the ones I heard, I find no duds. Blizzard Beasts is the weakest Immortal album (till now), but not weak enough to be called a dud.

funny but i think that their first 3 releases are rather week albums...

I strongly disagree that Pure Holocaust and Battles In The North are weak. Pure Holocaust might be a little overrated, but that doesn't mean it's weak. It just doesn't give you what you expect from it. Battles, on the other hand, is a foundation in black metal IMO. I place it next to At The Heart Of Winter, which is my favorite Immortal album by far (My all time favorite too. ). Diabolical could be thought of as weak, mainly because it's their debut, and at that time, they haven't developed their signature sound that appears the first time on Battles (I don't mean their thrashy style, I mean the frostbitten black metal gimmick with Abbath's croaky vocals.). However, I don't view Diabolical as a dud. IMO it's a solid slab of kvlt black metal.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 22.11.2011 at 13:01

Written by Troy Killjoy on 22.11.2011 at 02:32

I quite enjoy Immortal as well, but no duds? They've definitely missed with a few of their earlier albums.

I would say the y missed with their latest one the All Shall Fall album

What makes you think it's weak? I haven't listened to it yet, but I want to set my expectations.

Written by Oaken on 24.11.2011 at 16:24
What makes you think it's weak? I haven't listened to it yet, but I want to set my expectations.

I personally enjoyed it but I can see why others wouldn't. The production alone makes for a less "raw" feel, it doesn't contain the same majestic atmosphere of AtHoW, and a lot of the songs sound rather similar. After the first two songs the quality takes a noticeable dive as well.

Written by Darkside Momo on 22.11.2011 at 14:02

And Moonspell fails because of Darkness And Hope

Yeah, that one is surely Moonspell's weakest, but I personally wouldn't call it a dud, so Moonspell makes the cut for me.

Written by Slayer666 on 25.11.2011 at 11:31

Written by Darkside Momo on 22.11.2011 at 14:02

And Moonspell fails because of Darkness And Hope

Yeah, that one is surely Moonspell's weakest, but I personally wouldn't call it a dud, so Moonspell makes the cut for me.

To each his own I found it immensely dissapointing, and really, really lame compared to what they did before and after...

Opeth, , and Metallica'(Lulu is not a legit Metallica album) and yes, i also enjoyd everything from Black album to St. anger. If EP's count, i could also say Tool