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The only pantera album i dislike.....my rating is 6
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Been a long time Pantera fan, I must say this is the weakest album they released. Although at some times enjoyable no song really stood up for me. I gave it a 6.
I disagree with the production issue. TGST was loud and strong, this album sounds softer to me. Like the overall volume was turned down. IMO |
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| Yes, good but not the Pantera I grew up on. The songs are filled with more talent, but the discography was heading in the wrong direction. at least this sound was not as lost as the few new songs on 101 proof. Ill appreciate this album more with time, but for now ill still love the drum tracks on TGST and the anger of Driven. |
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| I feel like I speak for most Pantera fans when I say this is one of their weakest albums. I don't know where you found the complexity or brutality; it just came across as uninspired "groove metal" with a soft production to me. If this deserves a 9, Cowboys From Hell deserves a 20. |
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I don't understand why this album is so under rated. I am a huge Pantera fan, owning all their albums and for me this album is a classic. Ok, it's not as good as Vulgar Display or Cowboys but comes a close 3rd for me.  |
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 vezzy - 22.08.2010 at 16:28
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Written by hedonist on 22.08.2010 at 02:18
I don't understand why this album is so under rated. I am a huge Pantera fan, owning all their albums and for me this album is a classic. Ok, it's not as good as Vulgar Display or Cowboys but comes a close 3rd for me.
Definitely not a classic by any means. It's a lackluster groove metal album that tries to sound bombastic and aggressive, but ends up being rather stale.
Try Exhorder's "The Law". |
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| This is certainly underrated and easily beats Exhorder's The Law on all fronts. exhorder is actually overrated nowadays.. slaughter In The V@tican was and is a seconnd rate Slayer rip off and The Law is just BAD all round. |
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vezzy - 22.08.2010 at 23:39
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 22.08.2010 at 21:58
This is certainly underrated and easily beats Exhorder's The Law on all fronts. exhorder is actually overrated nowadays.. slaughter In The V@tican was and is a seconnd rate Slayer rip off and The Law is just BAD all round.
I don't know, I'd take The Law over VDoP, FDB or RtS (although maybe not CFH, and I have to think on TGSTK). |
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Written by vezzy on 22.08.2010 at 23:39
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 22.08.2010 at 21:58
This is certainly underrated and easily beats Exhorder's The Law on all fronts. exhorder is actually overrated nowadays.. slaughter In The V@tican was and is a seconnd rate Slayer rip off and The Law is just BAD all round.
I don't know, I'd take The Law over VDoP, FDB or RtS (although maybe not CFH, and I have to think on TGSTK).
FYI I have a sudden urge for KFC down near the DMV ASAP or I'll be DOA. BRB ROFL. |
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 23.08.2010 at 00:26
Written by vezzy on 22.08.2010 at 23:39
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 22.08.2010 at 21:58
This is certainly underrated and easily beats Exhorder's The Law on all fronts. exhorder is actually overrated nowadays.. slaughter In The V@tican was and is a seconnd rate Slayer rip off and The Law is just BAD all round.
I don't know, I'd take The Law over VDoP, FDB or RtS (although maybe not CFH, and I have to think on TGSTK).
FYI I have a sudden urge for KFC down near the DMV ASAP or I'll be DOA. BRB ROFL.
TMI FTW ROFL FML BRB |
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vezzy - 23.08.2010 at 00:36
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 23.08.2010 at 00:26
FYI I have a sudden urge for KFC down near the DMV ASAP or I'll be DOA. BRB ROFL.
Understood it all immediately.
No, I'm not gonna bother typing out what the abbreviations mean. |
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Written by vezzy on 22.08.2010 at 16:28
Written by hedonist on 22.08.2010 at 02:18
I don't understand why this album is so under rated. I am a huge Pantera fan, owning all their albums and for me this album is a classic. Ok, it's not as good as Vulgar Display or Cowboys but comes a close 3rd for me.
Definitely not a classic by any means. It's a lackluster groove metal album that tries to sound bombastic and aggressive, but ends up being rather stale.
Try Exhorder's "The Law".
We all have our own opinions so I'm not going to argue with you but I do enjoy this album a lot. I have never heard of Exhorder so I will check out that album you suggested.
ps. You guys give me a fookin headache with all these abreviations, speak english!! |
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| This is the heaviest shit i've ever listened to, theres no lackluster here, all headbangin metal |
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ps. You guys give me a fookin headache with all these abreviations, speak english!!
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This is one of the best reviews I've read on MS.
Written by Troy Killjoy on 12.02.2010 at 02:59
I feel like I speak for most Pantera fans when I say this is one of their weakest albums. I don't know where you found the complexity or brutality; it just came across as uninspired "groove metal" with a soft production to me. If this deserves a 9, Cowboys From Hell deserves a 20.
Not speakin' for me, that's for sure.
I think this album is better than CFH. The riffs are better, there's no generic Speed Metal bits and the sound is a lot better. |
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 22.08.2010 at 21:58
exhorder is actually overrated nowadays.. slaughter In The V@tican was and is a seconnd rate Slayer rip off and The Law is just BAD all round.
I've noticed this too.
Reinterpretation courtesy of greater accessiblity means anything old is regarded as awesome and a classic.
I know I'm an old schooler, but a lot of metal back then was as shit as it's today.
The only difference IMO is there's fewer modern releases that are truly excellent compared to the 1980s and early 1990s.
Metal's also headed down a wierd direction. I'd almost describe modern metalheads as being closer to New Romantics fans (such as my brother-in-law) in terms of attitude than the old school metallers.
Old school concepts such as aggression and emphasis on guitar riffs is often dismissed in favour of mood and ambiance.
Gimmicks are also more popular - the historical bands, the specific mythology bands, the technical bands, the pirate bands gone mad, fun goofy thrash, the girl pop bands etc etc.
Ramble off.
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Written by deadone on 20.02.2014 at 04:14
Gimmicks are also more popular
Maybe because there are more bands and more styles of metal nowadays? Looking back through some of the releases metal had to offer in the '80s and '90s, it's not like old school metal was without its fair share of gimmickry. Almost all of your complaints about contemporary music apply to the same stuff you're praising - Pantera included. |
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 20.02.2014 at 15:17
Maybe because there are more bands and more styles of metal nowadays? Looking back through some of the releases metal had to offer in the '80s and '90s, it's not like old school metal was without its fair share of gimmickry. Almost all of your complaints about contemporary music apply to the same stuff you're praising - Pantera included.
Pantera's tough guy / macho / let's get shitfaced and act like cavemen image for example (Oh those "hilarious" home videos they released on VHS). and I can't think of anything more gimmick-driven than early black metal. These days it hardly has a definitive image or unifying theme to speak of. I don't think exploring themes other than death and satan could always legitimately be called "gimmicks" either seeing as many of them are too esoteric for the average metalhead who like things a bit more opaque (Pantera fans being some of the best example). It's easy to pick on the surface bands who dress up in silly outfits but a relevant, balanced viewpoint that does not make. In any light I'm far more in favour of a wider tapestry of themes and thought processes than sticking to the knuckle dragging / shock-value aesthetic of many of the earlier metal outfits. If you ask me the older era of metal is for metal lovers, whereas the modern era is for music lovers.
On the subject of this album, it's a dog, and not a very healthy one at that. Should have been put down. |
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| Pretty much hit the nail on the head on all points, Joe. Well said. |
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 20.02.2014 at 15:46
Pantera's tough guy / macho / let's get shitfaced and act like cavemen image for example (Oh those "hilarious" home videos they released on VHS).
Reflection of the times.
You had rap coming up and hardcore was starting to toughen up.
Uncle Sam had won the Cold War and was kicking arse and taking names in Iraq (and then fucking up royally on Somalia).
Then there was Rodney King, LA riots and increased criminal gang activity.
Even the movies were becoming "tougher" - e.g. Terminator 2.
Hence tough guy image made sense.
And it wasn't just Pantera - it was Sacred Reich, Suicidal Tendencies (ever listen to "Can't Bring Me Down"), Prong, Biohazard, Machine Head etc etc.
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Too true but then I've never regarded Black Metal in any regard (down to the point where I refuse to classify Venom and Bathory as Black Metal).
But stuff like Venom was gimmick driven even though most of the music was not. At least Running Wild didn't go as far as to write sea shanties in the 1980s.
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These days it hardly has a definitive image or unifying theme to speak of. I don't think exploring themes other than death and satan could always legitimately be called "gimmicks" either seeing as many of them are too esoteric for the average metalhead who like things a bit more opaque (Pantera fans being some of the best example). It's easy to pick on the surface bands who dress up in silly outfits but a relevant, balanced viewpoint that does not make. In any light I'm far more in favour of a wider tapestry of themes and thought processes than sticking to the knuckle dragging / shock-value aesthetic of many of the earlier metal outfits. If you ask me the older era of metal is for metal lovers, whereas the modern era is for music lovers.
Funnily enough I actually think Metal is headed in the wrong direction i.e. pointless wankery, mindless pseudo intellectualism and fake metal (anything from crap like the modern Alcest to the pop bands with guitars to Mastodon's soft albums) as well as complete buffoonery that would embarass Venom (e.g. Alestorm or these Finnish folk metal bands).
I didn't mind this when it was in the underground and thus easily ignored or a temporary diversion but it is becoming mainstream. You can't avoid it. The metal media is inundated with it.
That some of the most popular albums in metal are less gutsy than your average Motley Crue album is in my mind bizarre.
In my mind Pantera and co did far more for Metal than most of these prog/post/folk/avant garde/pop bands.
Hell stuff like Slipknot and Trivium contributes more to Metal than all these sideways distractions that are slowly taking over Metal.
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On the subject of this album, it's a dog, and not a very healthy one at that. Should have been put down.
It's an album for people who like straight forward riff orientated metal.
As the lyrics go:
"Your trust is in whiskey and weed and Slayer,
It's Goddamn Electric " :banger2:
In the end just my $0.02.
And another viewpoint from Mike Scalzi from Slough Feg: http://www.invisibleoranges.com/2010/10/bullpen-bulletins-2-is-there-possible-accounting-for-taste/ |
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Written by deadone on 21.02.2014 at 00:12
Funnily enough I actually think Metal is headed in the wrong direction i.e. pointless wankery, mindless pseudo intellectualism and fake metal (anything from crap like the modern Alcest to the pop bands with guitars to Mastodon's soft albums) as well as complete buffoonery that would embarass Venom (e.g. Alestorm or these Finnish folk metal bands).
I didn't mind this when it was in the underground and thus easily ignored or a temporary diversion a but it has become mainstream. You can't avoid it. The metal press is inundated with it.
That some of the most popular albums in metal are less gutsy than your average Motley Crue album is in my mind bizarre.
And I've yet to hear a half-decent argument why any of this is a bad thing. Certainly nothing "pointless" about the direction it is going, the so-called "fake" bands offer far more than bands constantly aping their 80s counterparts.
Once again you seem to be stuck between a rock and a hard place, endlessly singing the praises of by-gone bands whilst complaining about the way they / their emulators have turned out in the modern age so I find it odd that you think metal is going in the wrong direction when you yourself can barely scrape together half a dozen 8 out of 10 albums per year these days. You berate creativity and divergence, but you won't explore it, falling back on archaic efforts by antique bands / mindless copycats. Seems like you want to have your cake and eat it, only it's not a very nice cake to begin with. Some kind of walknut cake that got left on out the kitchen counter over night or something.
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In my mind Pantera and co did far more for Metal than most of these prog/post/folk/avant garde/pop bands.
Pantera made some great records, but their image was nothing worth keeping alive. People know how to have a laugh and have fun. No one needs bands making tits of themselves as all it does it give metal a moronic edge.
I guess that's the fundamental difference which proves my point about metal / music lovers: I don't really care whether or not something is true metal. Seems to me that "true" metal is a limited and dead genre now. |
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