Written by Damnated on 14.06.2008 at 15:12

Written by Bad English on 14.06.2008 at 15:00

But what bands you mean are secend wave?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_metal#The_Second_Wave

Written by Bad English on 14.06.2008 at 17:37

In that cas ethose bands are best what came from Norway there no good bands in nowdays Norway anway

Written by Guest on 14.06.2008 at 03:32

I must agree that all the new bands lack innovation, as they rehash all of the same lyrical themes such as satan, death, and despair. For once, I'd like to see a black metal band sing about blueberry pancakes. That would be really pushing the envelope.

Written by Damnated on 14.06.2008 at 12:39

like others pointed out, there's nothing wrong with the new bands, in fact they are much better than the norwegian second wave. the problem is, that now there are thousands of black metal bands and you have to do some searching until you find good stuff. but the good-bad band ratio is the same as it was in the early days imo.

people like when things land in their lap, so it's easier to whine about the lack of originality then to find a couple of good bands. there are good bands that started just a few years ago. the orthodox scene is amazingly fresh and original, YOU JUST HAVE T TRY IT. there are also other good bands beside these, take Chaos Moon from the US or entire slavic scene.

Written by belisarius on 15.06.2008 at 20:58

if you really want to hear some new good bm, listen to anaal nathrakh and maybe anorexia nervosa (if you call them new)

Written by Bitter Dawn on 16.06.2008 at 11:12

Perhaps I'm just a bit "old fashioned" if you can call it that, but I can't imagine there being bands that are actually better than Mayhem, Datkrhone, Gorgoroth, Immortal, Carpathian Forest, Burzum, Tsjuder, Emperor and so on.

Written by Conservationist on 16.06.2008 at 21:28



There COULD BE, but as things are now, it's unlikely.

The scene changed. People used to be freethinkers, now they're genre leftists and selfish city-dwellers.

That's why it's not producing good bands: no spirit, no clue.

Written by Bitter Dawn on 17.06.2008 at 07:54

Written by Conservationist on 16.06.2008 at 21:28



There COULD BE, but as things are now, it's unlikely.

The scene changed. People used to be freethinkers, now they're genre leftists and selfish city-dwellers.

That's why it's not producing good bands: no spirit, no clue.

You've got that right. BM just seems psuedo trendy now, especially thanks to some magazines like Revolver and bands like Dimmu, CoF and Behemoth. But nothing any of us can do about that.

Currently listening to Mourning Dawn (full album) and it's pretty good. The French do it again!

Written by Conservationist on 16.06.2008 at 21:28

Written by Bitter Dawn on 16.06.2008 at 11:12

Perhaps I'm just a bit "old fashioned" if you can call it that, but I can't imagine there being bands that are actually better than Mayhem, Datkrhone, Gorgoroth, Immortal, Carpathian Forest, Burzum, Tsjuder, Emperor and so on.

There COULD BE, but as things are now, it's unlikely.

The scene changed. People used to be freethinkers, now they're genre leftists and selfish city-dwellers.

That's why it's not producing good bands: no spirit, no clue.

Written by TheBigRossowski on 17.06.2008 at 11:46

Written by Bitter Dawn on 17.06.2008 at 07:54

Written by Conservationist on 16.06.2008 at 21:28



There COULD BE, but as things are now, it's unlikely.

The scene changed. People used to be freethinkers, now they're genre leftists and selfish city-dwellers.

That's why it's not producing good bands: no spirit, no clue.

You've got that right. BM just seems psuedo trendy now, especially thanks to some magazines like Revolver and bands like Dimmu, CoF and Behemoth. But nothing any of us can do about that.

Currently listening to Mourning Dawn (full album) and it's pretty good. The French do it again!

Okay, everyone needs to stop focusing in on CoF and DB, we got it, you hate them. I've heard it a thousand times... start focusing your minds on what you don't believe exists, the spirit in black metal is alive. Its found different meanings though, taken shape, EVOLVED! I'm sorry there is no "De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas" for you, but there is a "Kenose" EP (Deathspell Omega) and there is a "Carved in Stigmata Wounds" (Secrets of the Moon). There is purpose in what's going on in black metal, some musicians have a direction and some would rather sit on the computer and discuss the direction of the bands that are evolving.

Written by Bitter Dawn on 13.06.2008 at 04:07

The problem with most new bands is they lack innovation, most of them sound like knock offs of the older bands as it's well known there are a ton of old Darkthrone and Mayhem copy cats. It just seems like their is a lack of creativity, originality, talent and most bands are trying to live up to being like the bands that once were.

Opinions?

Written by TheBigRossowski on 14.06.2008 at 18:14

According to Cronos (FOR THE THOUSANDTH TIME!), "Venom is black metal; sex,drugs, rock&roll and Satan. Those other bands might as well call themselves corpse paint or something". What we even consider to be black metal these days is limited. But we do know that without "Satan", Black metal...isn't black. That's why lots of band that PLAY black metal say "ohh, I wouldn't call it black metal...".

Written by RavenKing on 21.01.2011 at 20:45

Written by TheBigRossowski on 14.06.2008 at 18:14

According to Cronos (FOR THE THOUSANDTH TIME!), "Venom is black metal; sex,drugs, rock&roll and Satan. Those other bands might as well call themselves corpse paint or something". What we even consider to be black metal these days is limited. But we do know that without "Satan", Black metal...isn't black. That's why lots of band that PLAY black metal say "ohh, I wouldn't call it black metal...".

I heard this speech from Cronos long ago. I find it simply arrogant and stupid.

Written by TheBigRossowski on 21.01.2011 at 22:17

Written by RavenKing on 21.01.2011 at 20:45

Written by TheBigRossowski on 14.06.2008 at 18:14

According to Cronos (FOR THE THOUSANDTH TIME!), "Venom is black metal; sex,drugs, rock&roll and Satan. Those other bands might as well call themselves corpse paint or something". What we even consider to be black metal these days is limited. But we do know that without "Satan", Black metal...isn't black. That's why lots of band that PLAY black metal say "ohh, I wouldn't call it black metal...".

I heard this speech from Cronos long ago. I find it simply arrogant and stupid.

Makes you kind of...ugh, chuckle, huh? lol. The way he talks and explains himself in that video is funny in it's own way.

Strange seeing a quote from 2008 though.

Written by RavenKing on 22.01.2011 at 00:28


It reminds me of another quote (a more famous one) I find quite flawed (though not arrogant at all and, in fact, not false - only quite flawed in a way): "We are Motorhead and we play Rock'N'Roll".
Yes. Motorheard is Rock'N'Roll in the sense that all metal music is derivated from Rock'N'Roll but it is extremely imprecise, way too loose for modern standards. The Rolling Stones are Rock'N'Roll but it doesn't sound like Motorhead by any stretch of the imagination.
Still, I'm much more comfortable with Lemmy's quote than with Cronos'.

Written by Blue on 19.01.2011 at 23:09

I personally believe that Black Metal is a fairly new genre, so there is no way there's no room for improvement already. There are quite a lot of things that still can be done to it, even if most bands follow a standard and don't do anything original.

Written by Sammol on 25.12.2011 at 15:42

It's impossible to innovate BM further.

Written by Slayer666 on 25.12.2011 at 16:14
Sarcasm?