The Purpose Of Creating New Black Metal
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Posted by Bitter Dawn, 13.06.2008 - 04:07
The second wave of black metal musicians have pretty much set the bar for quality black metal, and the style of those bands varies so much that it's hard to create something that stands out. Even bands from the second wave have evolved and changed their sound significantly, Dimmu is really commercial with alot of clean vocals, Satyricon is very rock oriented with catchy riffs, Mayhem is constantly switching their sound up, Darkthrone sounds like a mix of punk and old 80's heavy metal, and even Carpathian Forest really changed their sound with Fuck You All!!!.
The problem with most new bands is they lack innovation, most of them sound like knock offs of the older bands as it's well known there are a ton of old Darkthrone and Mayhem copy cats. It just seems like their is a lack of creativity, originality, talent and most bands are trying to live up to being like the bands that once were.
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Sammol Posts: 110 |
25.12.2011 - 22:41 Written by Slayer666 on 25.12.2011 at 16:14 It's either the innovation is not significant to be recognized or no innovation at all. Sure there are good bands today but they offer nothing new. However, old bands sound more 'fresh' to me.
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Vombatus Potorro |
25.12.2011 - 23:17 Quote:Quote:Written by Sammol on 25.12.2011 at 15:42 What makes innovation significant ? It's pretty subjective... but I'd love to hear a second wave band that did "hipster-BM" (to call it something), weird stuff like the Meads of Asphodel , Lifelover or the quite unique french scene. Metal in general is always changing, possible to mix with anything. And BM is no exception.
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Sammol Posts: 110 |
26.12.2011 - 06:47
BM is an exception because it's the genre of the purists and elitists. Some even hate death metal. If you mix death metal and black metal, it'll be under death metal no matter how small the DM element is. If you innovate BM it'll be out of the genre already.
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26.12.2011 - 12:37 Written by Sammol on 26.12.2011 at 06:47 Hey, didn't that church-burning pagan guy kill you 18 years ago?
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26.12.2011 - 15:06 !J.O.O.E.!
Account deleted Written by Sammol on 26.12.2011 at 06:47 I love witnessing people make total arses of themselves over the internet. This statement is the equivalent of watching a toddler fall down a flight of stairs. Hilarious! And I've never, ever met a black metal purist/elitist who hates death metal in a purist/elitist way. Absolute utter nonsense if you ask me.
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Slayer666 |
26.12.2011 - 15:12 Written by Sammol on 26.12.2011 at 06:47 I was going to post an elaborate response to your previous post, but then I Nicely played, sir.
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26.12.2011 - 15:19 !J.O.O.E.!
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I hope the arrow to the knee meme never goes away. It makes everything 57% more satisfying.
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26.12.2011 - 15:22 Written by Guest on 26.12.2011 at 15:06 You could be a wonderful father.
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26.12.2011 - 15:28 !J.O.O.E.!
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If I was a father I'd make sure I lived atop a lighthouse.
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26.12.2011 - 15:34 Written by Guest on 26.12.2011 at 15:28 You could also eat them hamster style.
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Slayer666 |
26.12.2011 - 15:35 Written by Guest on 26.12.2011 at 15:28 If I ever have kids but don't want them, I'm going to make sure you're the one who will adopt them.
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Savopipo |
29.12.2011 - 02:05 Written by Guest on 26.12.2011 at 15:06 I agree.
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Savopipo |
29.12.2011 - 02:08 Written by X-Ray Rod on 26.12.2011 at 15:22 I actually saw that happen with one of my kids and I tell you I couldn't care less about metal sub gengres at the time.
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larshammer Posts: 6 |
10.01.2012 - 17:08 Written by Sammol on 26.12.2011 at 06:47 I guess I haven't heard yet such a silly comment like this. Black metal was a kind of pan-metal that was gathering up all metal influences under metal's true opposer character that was represented as satanism, blasphemy etc. And even as anarchism while it is the main deal of punk culture, though crusts were highly influenced by early Celtic Frost.
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Savopipo |
11.01.2012 - 06:45 Written by larshammer on 10.01.2012 at 17:08 I believe you're right. I distictly remeber hearing one of the early members of Mayhem stating that they were even influenced by Pink Floyd. How elitist metal is that?
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larshammer Posts: 6 |
12.01.2012 - 21:01
Elitism in black metal is not something like hating all of the genres out of black metal but instead standing against the clowning and corrupting black metal such as representing intending to create a dairy farm on the mountain top and raise some pagan cows and accouple them with orcs in a rustic tradition as "evil". Besides, making black metal a tool for commerce as almost all of the overground black metal bands do is not true if you base on elitist attitude.
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12.01.2012 - 22:11 Written by larshammer on 12.01.2012 at 21:01 With the exception of underground bands that achieve success and continue to play the same style that garnered them success in the underground. Aside from that I completely agree with your point.
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Guib Thrash Talker |
13.01.2012 - 18:06
There is no purpose in creating new black metal, I would even say that there was no purpose in creating black metal at all, in the first place (troll face)
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Savopipo |
16.01.2012 - 11:06 Written by Guib on 13.01.2012 at 18:06 I agree whith there's no purpose in creating new Black Metal but I think there should be a development of music that is rooted in what is today knows at Black Metal just as Black Metal itself was a development from what was played by the likes of Venom, Celtic Frost, early Sodom and Bathory. Music is not something static that will remain forever but a ever evolving beast where each new generation will create and listen to things that the previous generation generally find not listnable. Personally I am one of the exceptions that try to keep up with what's happening and relate to the newer things that wasn't around when I was a kid but most of my friends from the past has "matured" and are either still listening to their 80-ies and early 90-ies records or to contemporary records that sound like them!
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist Staff |
16.01.2012 - 11:50
If there isn't a purpose in creating new black metal then there isn't a purpose for me to listen to metal at all.
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Savopipo |
16.01.2012 - 12:25 Written by Troy Killjoy on 16.01.2012 at 11:50 If you can only listen to music that sounds like Black Metal the way it sounded during a certain time period and can't accept any evolution or change then you probably will have a hard time finding something to listen to in say 10 years. That said I don't think you understood me correctly. What I mean is that the genre Black Metal shouldn't develop but there should be another genre or sub-genre that carries the torch. Traditional Black Metal can continue for the enjoyment of people (much like heavy metal still do) but the new genre would be the future form of the music we today label Black Metal.
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X-Ray Rod Skandino Staff |
16.01.2012 - 16:03 Written by Savopipo on 16.01.2012 at 12:25 You make it sound like most of modern BM bands should have another label instead of Black metal.
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Savopipo |
16.01.2012 - 18:13 Written by X-Ray Rod on 16.01.2012 at 16:03 That wasn't my intention. What I'm trying to say is that today more and more music is labelled Black Metal but I don't think they really belong in the genre. For instance Shining (Nor) should probably be called something else than Black Metal and I suspect that the longer the evolution takes us the term Black Metal will be less and less meaningful as long as we keep putting new bands in it. Then it's better to let a new "main" genre develop. A certain development of the genre Black Metal will of course still be interresting but not to the extend that some people are starting to stretch it already.
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16.01.2012 - 18:28 Written by Savopipo on 16.01.2012 at 18:13 Wait, The band Shining from Norway is labelled here as avantgarde metal / jazz. Nothing black going on there at all.
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16.01.2012 - 18:36 Written by X-Ray Rod on 16.01.2012 at 18:28 They are labeld as avantgard black or jazz black quite a lot to be honest, although there is no black going on there. I think it has to do with their collaborations with Enslaved.
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16.01.2012 - 18:40 Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 16.01.2012 at 18:36 That's retarded, not like I want to make generalisations but it sounds like classic pretentious behavior from some asshole that wants to say that they like Black Metal.
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Savopipo |
16.01.2012 - 18:40 Written by X-Ray Rod on 16.01.2012 at 18:28 That was just an example. I've heard them labelled Black Metal but it not important I think you can understand what I mean.
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X-Ray Rod Skandino Staff |
16.01.2012 - 18:43 Written by Savopipo on 16.01.2012 at 18:40 Yes and no. Yes: People are clearly retarded if they want to label stuff like the norwegian Shining as black No: There's no need to create another name if you can easily label them with the current ones we have, worst case scenario: Just ignore the dumb people.
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Savopipo |
16.01.2012 - 20:56 Written by X-Ray Rod on 16.01.2012 at 18:43 I guess time will tell.
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22.01.2012 - 11:57
Ok, so this is where the argument of what is and what isn't Black Metal kind of confuses me a bit. For instance, some "purists" (read: assholes) tend to believe that if the lyrics aren't Satanic, then it's not Black Metal. So that would mean then that Wolves in the Throne Room isn't really Black Metal? Then we get weird sub genre labels like Frost Metal or Troll Metal or some shit like that. So can someone here, and I'm not sure this is entirely possible, truly define what it is that makes a band Black Metal??? I've heard so many differing opinions that I stopped looking for an answer, but you guys seem intelligent enough to give some sort of response that will make more sense than the retarded shit I've read elsewhere.
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