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Posted by on 12.07.2006 at 02:21
Well I have heard a few songs from this band and thought they where kind of intressting. So basicly I just want recommendations of cd's from them. Other than that since I saw no thread about them, here it is.

PS: I aint to fond of the NS imagry but the few songs I heard made me willing to give the music a shot. Cheers



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Troy Killjoy
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  05.05.2012 at 02:39
I wasn't saying NS bands commit genocide. That was a Hitler reference, and I'm saying NS bands (as in those who praise the ideology) are only different from Hitler in that they haven't actually killed people over their beliefs. Maybe for you it's okay for these artists to sing about racism, but to a great many people it's not. Being proud of your heritage is fine - just look at the Quebec black metal scene here in Canada where members of the MNQ scene advocate separatist beliefs and shed light on Quebecois folklore. What they don't do is "Heil Hitler" via passive-aggressive lyrical content, and in some cases much more direct lyrical content.

All that being said, I listen to and thoroughly enjoy quite a few NSBM bands, because I listen to the music and disregard the message. Not that I find NS ideologies to be particularly offensive myself, but I can understand where people come from who don't support the NS metal scene and even though I personally disagree with the no-NS stance of Metal Storm, I can understand why the policy exists.
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  05.05.2012 at 02:58
Written by Troy Killjoy on 05.05.2012 at 02:39
even though I personally disagree with the no-NS stance of Metal Storm, I can understand why the policy exists.


The only thing that makes me agree with the No-NS stance here in Metalstorm is how it might affect the labels that might not want to work with a website that has such bands in their database. If that didn't happen, I wouldn't have anything against having NS bands here.
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BitterCOld
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  05.05.2012 at 07:00
You're discussing NS bands right here and now. we simply don't feature them.

i'm sure there are plenty of swell forums if you want more info on goosesteppers who advocate genocide and encourage racism.
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ZOMBIESiTellsYa

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  05.05.2012 at 13:03
I've always looked at music as art and something that should never be mixed with politics. By that I don't mean that bands shouldn't sing about political themes. What I mean is that I will never let the personal actions or beliefs of the musician influence whether I like the music or not. I don't have to be a Nazi sympathiser in order to enjoy Nokturnal Mortum's music, and I certainly wouldn't try to repress any interest in their music because of the taboo nature of their lyrical content.
Darkfiber

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  08.05.2012 at 22:37
I love how these topics always devolve into people arguing about Hitler. Heaven forbid people would actually talk about music in a music forum. That being said, music is about the freedom of expression, and I don't personally agree with Metalstorm persecuting quality metal bands simply because of their beliefs. Am I the only one who finds the irony in this?

About Nokturnal Mortum itself, they have always been one of my favourite black metal bands. I'm sure most people can't understand a word they are saying anyway, so who gives a fuck? Just listen to the music and enjoy it. It doesn't make you a Nazi, it doesn't make you evil, it doesn't mean you support genocide...it means you have a decent taste in music, that's all. Never let external factors take away from your enjoyment of something.
Koen Smits

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  10.05.2012 at 11:09
Written by Darkfiber on 08.05.2012 at 22:37

I love how these topics always devolve into people arguing about Hitler. Heaven forbid people would actually talk about music in a music forum. That being said, music is about the freedom of expression, and I don't personally agree with Metalstorm persecuting quality metal bands simply because of their beliefs. Am I the only one who finds the irony in this?

About Nokturnal Mortum itself, they have always been one of my favourite black metal bands. I'm sure most people can't understand a word they are saying anyway, so who gives a fuck? Just listen to the music and enjoy it. It doesn't make you a Nazi, it doesn't make you evil, it doesn't mean you support genocide...it means you have a decent taste in music, that's all. Never let external factors take away from your enjoyment of something.


I'm behind MS on this. MS has the right to blacklist NS bands if they want to and that's it.
We can discuss NSBM as much as we want so there's no problem at all.
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  24.06.2012 at 17:32
Don't want to make a new thread for this but the singer of Nokturnal Mortem had a black metal side project of epic and immense proportions called Mistigo Varggoth Darkestra. This track/album in particular 1 hour and 13 minutes long so a bit of a long haul, but it's totally worth it.



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Vombatus
Potorro

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  05.01.2013 at 21:16
New album on its way:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Nokturnal-Mortum/427708580486
Alien1988

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  29.09.2014 at 17:25
I don't want to start anything crazy again but Nokturnal Mortum have released the following statement which (together with replies in comments there) implies their change of views and refusal of being labeled as NS. (source: https://www.facebook.com/nokturnalmortumofficial/posts/10153905204320487)

"Salute! Many things change as years pass by - including our world-outlook. If I say that today I am a same person that I was fifteen years ago, when "Nechrist" was created, I would be a hypocrite. And changes in me inevitably bring the changes to Nokturnal Mortum. Henceforth Nokturnal Mortum is a Sun shining through the night. We create music which is open for everyone who has got the strength to be a human and to walk the path of creation that passes from the depths of the ages. In eternal search for truth we deny all the labels which ever were put on us. Now we draw the inspiration from the beginning of times when gods lived among the men, when emotions and senses ruled the world and spiritual foundation of mankind was forged of elements and cosmic energies. That's why new album "Істина" ("Verity") will open the new epoch in our history. Thereby, one of the first steps that we consider to be necessary to take is a total change of our logo. All the professionals who have abilities and desire to create the new logotype for Nokturnal Mortum should write to nokturnal-mortum@ukr.net. Let us know about your propositions, ideas and terms of cooperation under which you would like to work with us. Maybe logo made by one of you will become the symbol, under which we shall continue our musical journey - that, as I hope, will last for a long time.
Varggoth, 22nd of March, 2014.
As for NS. I asked Varggoth to tell his opinion about it, because, as I see, some people are interested in this. So, his words about it: "We never were NS. NS means politics, and we never were engaged in politics. What was in us - stays with us (maybe, in less radical way, but it does). Besides that the latest events in Ukraine have shown us that many things are just not important for our lives. The many values have been revised. The things like NS etc. are just labels, devoid of anything real. I've realized that only actions really matter, and the one should be judged only by his actions. I don't want to be in any ranks with anyone, because my views are much broader, while NS is only another one mind-box. And we are above everything like this. And one more point. When I look at activity of many NS in our land, I just want to forget everything, because I feel ashamed! I don't want to be the part of another brainless herd!""

So my question is: Is there a way for such band to be featured here if they make such statement (or what would they have to do)? Or do you guys just not forgive?
Alien1988

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  05.10.2014 at 14:55
So the mentioned new logo was released.
Karlabos
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  05.10.2014 at 16:55
^ Wow. I like it.
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Vombatus
Potorro

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  06.10.2014 at 02:52
Quite interested to see what they come up with. I like the visual direction of like woods, earth and shamanic/pagan kind of thinggy they have going on. Looks much more appealing.
Detric
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  08.10.2014 at 03:05
In all honesty I don't even think Varggoth wanted to change the logo. By reading the statement it sounds more like they wanted to get rid of the NSBM tag and therefore had to change the logo as well. He knew what he had achieved with The Voice of Steel which is without a doubt in a league of it's own. If he wants NM to reach a broader audience and play bigger festivals they have to slightly change the ideology as well. I don't believe Varggoth has changed one bit, but he has to think about commercial succes at some point going on for so many years. It's gonna be interesting to hear what they come up with this time around now that Saturious left the band who was a big part of their unique and progressive sound for so many years.
Vombatus
Potorro

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  08.10.2014 at 12:15
I don't know if trying to make a commercial breakthrough after 20 years is a logical thing... especially since the band said the music will remain similar (so reaching a broader audience would not be the objective) and the trend the last couple of albums was already aiming towards more pagan/mystical stuff rather than nationalistic or downright NS stuff from before.
I'll give Varggoth the benefice of the doubt, and if it's actually the case, much better for everyone.
Detric
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  13.10.2014 at 15:45
Well lets see how the new album turns out. Thought about the departure of Saturious the other day and I really think it is a strange time to part ways with the band, when they are ahead of a massive release with so much expectation. I can't help but think it has something with the new direction to do..
flightoficarus
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  29.01.2015 at 20:04
I cannot wait for this album. Voice of Steel was amazeballs.
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  11.07.2015 at 17:47
Just Enjoy the music. Just 'enjoy' the music.

Karlabos
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  29.07.2016 at 05:39
It's a bit like the not adding non-metal policy, I guess? The rule is not to add non-metal, but there are some non metal bands anyway, in the cases they are very relevant to the metal scene, like Guns'n roses for instance.

Similarly I take it that not featuring Drudkh and Burzum would be a big shame since they are all influential and blabla, so I assume that's why they chose to add anyway?

Btw it's been three years since that news over there and there's still no new album... (except for that 2 track split)
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  29.07.2016 at 11:15
#AddNokturnalMortumFFS
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BeneathTheMoon
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  29.07.2016 at 14:03
Written by Karlabos on 29.07.2016 at 05:39

It's a bit like the not adding non-metal policy, I guess? The rule is not to add non-metal, but there are some non metal bands anyway, in the cases they are very relevant to the metal scene, like Guns'n roses for instance.

Similarly I take it that not featuring Drudkh and Burzum would be a big shame since they are all influential and blabla, so I assume that's why they chose to add anyway?

Btw it's been three years since that news over there and there's still no new album... (except for that 2 track split)


Perhaps, although I would argue that Nokturnal Mortum are at least as significant as Drudkh if not more so, having been around for considerably longer and being a quintessential componenent to the Ukranian scene all around. At any rate, it's sketchy at best to have policies wherein many exceptions are granted because then the polciy ceases to exist, at least in theory, except when those in control choose to wield it at their whim. Oh well, I was just surprised when I went to add some Nokturnal Mortum albums to my collection to see they had no profile or presence. If Metal Storm wants to promote a political agenda it is their prerogative although I must say it's a flimsy one.
Marcel Hubregtse
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  29.07.2016 at 14:09
Written by Karlabos on 29.07.2016 at 05:39


Similarly I take it that not featuring Drudkh and Burzum would be a big shame since they are all influential and blabla, so I assume that's why they chose to add anyway?




None of Drudkh's and Burzum's albums and songs are NSBM, whereas with Nokturnal Mortum that is the case. Which can also be seen in their old logo.
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BeneathTheMoon
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  29.07.2016 at 14:27
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 29.07.2016 at 14:09

Written by Karlabos on 29.07.2016 at 05:39


Similarly I take it that not featuring Drudkh and Burzum would be a big shame since they are all influential and blabla, so I assume that's why they chose to add anyway?




None of Drudkh's and Burzum's albums and songs are NSBM, whereas with Nokturnal Mortum that is the case. Which can also be seen in their old logo.


I think some of the Drudkh's literary choices are borderline at best. Essentially, then, it doesn't matter that I, and presumably many others, have a Drudkh shirt in our drawers that says "art for the white intellectual elite" on the front simply because the album content doesn't say so directly? Granted, in defense of the site, this kind of selective thinking is commonplace in the metal world. Let us reflect for a moment at how revered Dissection is, for instance, despite the fact that their main creative force was involved in a murder - the eternal snuffing out of a life - which, for all intents and purposes, is far worse than one's own personal racial philosophy, at least in my own mind. It goes to showcase a kind of strange mentality that is rather prevalent in the metal scene, at any rate.
Vombatus
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  29.07.2016 at 18:56
If Drudkh and Burzum are not good examples compared to NM, how about Peste Noire? Aryan Supremacy sounds slightly NSBM, right? Or am I missing something?

But I don't care if they get added. I just find funny/interesting the inconsistency of certain sites (not only MS) when deciding these kind of things.
Mr. Doctor
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  21.08.2016 at 17:25
Written by Vombatus on 29.07.2016 at 18:56

If Drudkh and Burzum are not good examples compared to NM, how about Peste Noire? Aryan Supremacy sounds slightly NSBM, right? Or am I missing something?

But I don't care if they get added. I just find funny/interesting the inconsistency of certain sites (not only MS) when deciding these kind of things.


I'm quite surprised myself that Peste Noire is here. I'm a huge fan of the band, but yeah. Not only the demo but if you check out translations from their 2011 album, while not nazist at all, it is definitely anti-immigrant. It's a borderline case as well (except the demo).
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Karlabos
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  21.08.2016 at 17:48
Written by Mr. Doctor on 21.08.2016 at 17:25

anti-immigrant. It's a borderline case

I see what you did there
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  21.08.2016 at 18:25
Written by Karlabos on 21.08.2016 at 17:48

Written by Mr. Doctor on 21.08.2016 at 17:25

anti-immigrant. It's a borderline case

I see what you did there


That was 100% non-intended though! A happy accident.
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