Written by Zombie94 on 17.10.2016 at 16:27

Written by Guest on 17.10.2016 at 14:30


This is the kind of prejudice I hoped not to see in this thread. Even though the topic is interesting the argumentation becomes too low with nonsense like that. I suggest you listen to this:

As !J.O.O.E! has already explained, you've misunderstood my point.

It does not help women if promoters feel pressured into putting female bands into a lineup just to make it an even gender split. This in itself would be sexist because you would potentially be kicking better male bands off the bill in place of a worse female band just because of what genitals they have between their legs. This would also propagate the false idea that female musicians can't be just as good as men.

Written by Guest on 17.10.2016 at 19:00
Women dont need any help, you both assume that they do

Written by X-Ray Rod on 17.10.2016 at 19:08


The whole page looks like a huge missunderstanding when all three actually wrote the same fucking comment.

Written by Guest on 17.10.2016 at 19:09

Your only current argument is telling us, ad nauseum, to "read," in a passive aggressive tone. You haven't explained your reply to the original quote whatsoever, nor have you explained how anyone implied how that relates to anyone suggesting that women "need help." No one suggested or implied that. You're imagining it. Zombie's entire point was that women shouldn't be given preferential treatment so I don't know what you're arguing about.

You may think you're coming across as eloquent and articulate, but you aren't. In fact you often make confusing arguments with poor wording.

Written by Guest on 17.10.2016 at 19:10

Written by X-Ray Rod on 17.10.2016 at 19:08


The whole page looks like a huge missunderstanding when all three actually wrote the same fucking comment.

This is what's blowing my mind: LoG attacked Zombie for his post and then went on to reiterate what he said in his own posts

Written by Guest on 17.10.2016 at 19:09

You may think you're coming across as eloquent and articulate, but you aren't.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 17.10.2016 at 19:35

LoG is a kind of Erik Mols when it comes to comprehensive reading.

Written by Guest on 17.10.2016 at 19:37

Ill take that as a compliment

Written by Guest on 17.10.2016 at 19:40

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 17.10.2016 at 19:35

LoG is a kind of Erik Mols when it comes to comprehensive reading.

I've been thinking that for the past hour or so in fact. I'm not sure even Erik has as bizarre thought processes as LoG though. Truly astonishing.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 17.10.2016 at 19:43

I have just seen the light. LoG is the love child of Erik Mols and Godbuster/Mr. Strawberry.

Written by Karlabos on 17.10.2016 at 19:37

Woa and the misunderstanding goes on and on. I wonder how many posts this will have at night?

Written by Guest on 17.10.2016 at 19:30


Can you both please, please read. Women dont need any help, you both assume that they do - what is that? A slight exaggeration might help you - men need help. Men are shite at metal - do you get it if I put it that way? And you both need to read as this forum is entirely textual.

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So what zombie and you are saying is that women could (implied) need some help but it wouldnt be good to give it to them. And I am saying that its wrong to imply such a thing because they dont need any help. Im out of this thread as Its a bit annoying that Ive to read for you

Written by Zombie94 on 16.10.2016 at 19:04


I just want to preface this by saying that I agree with basically everything you said and that it's nice to get a woman's opinion. But to play devil's advocate for the sake of discussion, there are 2 counterpoints I think the women in the video would have for the above points you made, and I'd be interested to hear your thoughts:

I've often heard the argument made that the idea of 'masculine' and 'feminine' traits is in itself nothing more than sexist social constructs. That to think that women are inherently more caring, nurturing, gentler; and that men are more aggressive, better leaders, assertive etc. is a sexist stereotype. The people who hold this viewpoint say that the real reason men and women act differently is because they are brainwashed by a pariarchal society. I would make the argument that there is really no way of knowing if it is more biological or social that determines these traits. But that if I had to guess, I think it makes more sense from an evolutionary perspective that this is just a genetic difference, because it would have aided in survival (e.g. women are generally weaker so they mind the children and gather food etc. while men hunt).

I also think that the reason they are offended by the idea of an all female lineup is because it promotes the concept of female metal being a genre of sorts, as if it is a novelty. I kind of agree with them, but at the same time I'm not sure what they think the solution is. I certainly don't think that promoters should be putting female bands on a lineup just for the sake of making it a 50/50 gender split.

Written by Cynic Metalhead on 19.10.2016 at 18:25

Slowly it's pushing towards Feminism.

Written by Overrwatcher on 20.10.2016 at 00:48

Written by Cynic Metalhead on 19.10.2016 at 18:25

Slowly it's pushing towards Feminism.

I think it's because at this point a common opinion has been reached: The video targeted the wrong points. There is sexism in metal but the points they brought up are either not a metal-specific thing or too small of an issue to really make that big of a deal out of. Any further discussion will end up getting more into gender and feminism territory.

Written by Overrwatcher on 19.10.2016 at 13:31

Girlschool and Kittie immediately jump as examples of the novelty bands. .

Written by Ganondox on 22.10.2016 at 12:19

I've always considered 3 to be more a hard rock than metal thing, metal just really doesn't give a damn. Metal lyrics are more likely to fail to realize gender even exists to parade masculinity and sexualize women.

Written by Zombie94 on 26.10.2016 at 15:04

Written by Ganondox on 22.10.2016 at 12:19

I've always considered 3 to be more a hard rock than metal thing, metal just really doesn't give a damn. Metal lyrics are more likely to fail to realize gender even exists to parade masculinity and sexualize women.

Definitely. The only time that I see gender being made an issue of in the metal/hard rock scene is when journalists looking for a story start pointing fingers at bands that sing about vikings, and claim that this is somehow misogynistic. The actual fans tend to just want to enjoy the damn music!

Written by Ganondox on 27.10.2016 at 09:05


To be fair, the branch of power metal that takes primarily after Manowar rather than basically every single other early power metal band does focus a lot on promoting a particularly ridiculous idea of masculinity, but there is just as much power metal which goes in the exact opposite direction, and the Manowar side is musically closer to hard rock than the other side, which is closer to progressive rock.

Written by Zombie94 on 27.10.2016 at 13:07

Written by Ganondox on 27.10.2016 at 09:05


To be fair, the branch of power metal that takes primarily after Manowar rather than basically every single other early power metal band does focus a lot on promoting a particularly ridiculous idea of masculinity, but there is just as much power metal which goes in the exact opposite direction, and the Manowar side is musically closer to hard rock than the other side, which is closer to progressive rock.

I agree that bands of the Manowar ilk heavily promote masculinity. But is that analogous to them being sexist? If so, why?

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 27.10.2016 at 13:09


Well, Manowar are a bunch of sexists, just look at their album covers and songs such as Pleasure Slave.

Written by Zombie94 on 27.10.2016 at 13:22

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 27.10.2016 at 13:09


Well, Manowar are a bunch of sexists, just look at their album covers and songs such as Pleasure Slave.

So would you say this song is also sexist then? Because I just found this funny.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 27.10.2016 at 13:28


Yes. And that's a cover of the Manowar song called Pleasure Slave.

Written by Zombie94 on 27.10.2016 at 13:22

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 27.10.2016 at 13:09


Well, Manowar are a bunch of sexists, just look at their album covers and songs such as Pleasure Slave.

So would you say this song is also sexist then? Because I just found this funny.