Rating:
4.1
Avenged Sevenfold - Nightmare
27 July 2010


01. Nightmare
02. Welcome To The Family
03. Danger Line
04. Buried Alive
05. Natural Born Killer
06. So Far Away
07. God Hates Us
08. Victim
09. Tonight The World Dies
10. Fiction
11. Save Me


Frankly, this album sucks. It really does. I had never listened to A7X before and going in to the review I had hoped it would at least be decent.

It's not.

I could list everything that I thought was wrong with this album, but apparently it'd be too long for most of your ADD-addled brains to handle. So here's the short version.

I figured out about three minutes in it's basically the same blueprint as Metallica, only modernized. Radio-friendly rock music with enough of a metal edge to convince angsty teenagers it's "dangerous" or something.

The album has more ballads than a "Best of Aerosmith Since '88" box set and even during aggressive songs the band still finds time to pop their testicles back in Warner Music's purse and wuss out. The closest thing this album has to an start-to-finish aggressive song is "God Hate's Us" … outside of a useless breakdown in the middle... but even four minutes of distortion is too edgy for the accountants, so this otherwise pretty decent song has to close with a clean outro.

Hetfield-esq barking for verses, with an annoying almost nasal second vocal style used all too frequently, with catchy choruses. The dude at least has a decent voice when he doesn't switch to the annoying tone. The guitarist has some chops.

But ultimately the entire album feels more like a creation of what a Record Exec's idea of a (highly profitable) metal album should sound like, rather than what a metal enthusiast is likely to think a metal album should be. I guess the suits knew what they were doing, as apparently this was the top "purchased" album on iTunes last week.

But I imagine their target audience is certainly not the MetalStorm audience. I don't like it. And I imagine the vast majority of you won't either.

Avoid like the plague.

Performance: 7
Songwriting: 4
Originality: 4
Production: 9


Band profile: Avenged Sevenfold
Album: Nightmare


 



Written on 31.07.2010 by
Xnoybis
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Dani5050 - 31.07.2010 at 05:30  
Thanks, I will avoid it.
skrätte - 31.07.2010 at 05:33  
The only thing good about this album is this review.
Got Mayhem? - 31.07.2010 at 05:35  
In all seriousness, I'm half-way expecting you to be blasted by at least one person for not being 'respectful' towards the band because they recently lost their drummer.

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But ultimately the entire album feels more like a creation of what a Record Exec's idea of a (highly profitable) metal album should sound like, rather than what a metal enthusiast is likely to think a metal album should be.

And therein lies the mantra of mainstream music. I give this review a thumbs up. If we could give reviews a thumbs up that is. (Has this idea ever been thrown around?)
marzepka87 - 31.07.2010 at 05:40  
"Radio-friendly rock music with enough of a metal edge to convince angsty teenagers it's "dangerous" or something." - this line right there sums up the whole album, you dd not have to write the rest, the review of the album would have been perfect with that line alone, and thank you for a good laugh
Troy Killjoy - 31.07.2010 at 05:48  
A 4.1? How generous.

I'd give this a flat-out 2/10. As marze pointed out, that one line would have been enough of a review. Too many of the kids I avoided back in high school worshiped this band.
Lit. - 31.07.2010 at 06:35  
You know, the review and your opinions mean fuck-all.

Believe it or not, the album got rave reviews from multiple sources.
Kerrang!, Metal Hammer, Metacritic, Rolling Stone, you name it.

The reason I believe it got reviewed so bad by Gene Shalit up there is because he's a closet fanatic, but doesn't want anyone to know.

I loved it, and I don't even like Metalcore.

You people need to grow up, get off your high horses, clean your shorts, ect., ect. This review is bullshit.
Got Mayhem? - 31.07.2010 at 06:47  
Written by Lit. on 31.07.2010 at 06:35

You know, the review and your opinions mean fuck-all.

Believe it or not, the album got rave reviews from multiple sources.
Kerrang!, Metal Hammer, Metacritic, Rolling Stone, you name it.

The reason I believe it got reviewed so bad by Gene Shalit up there is because he's a closet fanatic, but doesn't want anyone to know.

I loved it, and I don't even like Metalcore.

You people need to grow up, get off your high horses, clean your shorts, ect., ect.



Ok man, if we all went by Kerrang and Rolling Stones reviews here then we'd be seeing Billboard Top 40 hits in the Top 100 Albums section and bands like Summoning would be lucky to get an honorable mention. Of course I believe that the big industry names gave this album high scores. It's their job to do that. Big band, Big label, Big sales. It's a cash machine of an industry and they all know it.

Now believe it or not it is actually very possible to dislike a band for no other reason other than that their music gives you a brain aneurysm every time they come on the radio. Sometimes a band is "cool to hate" because there is actually a lot to hate about them.

Now, my high horse and I have some Blind Guardian to listen to so we'll be riding off now thank you very much.
Doc Godin - 31.07.2010 at 06:54  
How can A7X release a new album? I thought Lou Perlman was in prison...

Either way, no surprises here. The review is more entertaining than the album.
Got Mayhem? - 31.07.2010 at 07:06  
Written by Doc Godin on 31.07.2010 at 06:54

How can A7X release a new album? I thought Lou Perlman was in prison...


Doc Godin - 31.07.2010 at 07:11  
Written by Lit. on 31.07.2010 at 06:35

Believe it or not, the album got rave reviews from multiple sources.
Kerrang!, Metal Hammer, Metacritic, Rolling Stone, you name it.

Wow, way to list credible metal sources. Rolling Stone rarely have any features on metal, because they know dick all about it. Kerrang and Metal Hammer both praise anything that can bring in cash. I'm not familiar with Metacritic.
Lit. - 31.07.2010 at 07:13  
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Written by Got Mayhem? on 31.07.2010 at 06:47

Written by Lit. on 31.07.2010 at 06:35

You know, the review and your opinions mean fuck-all.

Believe it or not, the album got rave reviews from multiple sources.
Kerrang!, Metal Hammer, Metacritic, Rolling Stone, you name it.

The reason I believe it got reviewed so bad by Gene Shalit up there is because he's a closet fanatic, but doesn't want anyone to know.

I loved it, and I don't even like Metalcore.

You people need to grow up, get off your high horses, clean your shorts, ect., ect.




Ok man, if we all went by Kerrang and Rolling Stones reviews here then we'd be seeing Billboard Top 40 hits in the Top 100 Albums section and bands like Summoning would be lucky to get an honorable mention. Of course I believe that the big industry names gave this album high scores. It's their job to do that. Big band, Big label, Big sales. It's a cash machine of an industry and they all know it.



I apologize. If you want little known reviews then here you go:
EspyRock.com
Arwa Haider
Distorted News
Examiner Detroit
showbizz.net
411Mania.com

All good.


Now believe it or not it is actually very possible to dislike a band for no other reason other than that their music gives you a brain aneurysm every time they come on the radio. Sometimes a band is "cool to hate" because there is actually a lot to hate about them.


That's exactly how I feel about Miley Cyrus and Justin Bieber, but I think people are being unfair to A7X. They have more talent than most bands today (Limp Bizkit, anyone?) and I think they should be put up there with Killswitch Engage, All That Remains and As I Lay Dying.


Now, my high horse and I have some Blind Guardian to listen to so we'll be riding off now thank you very much.


Ride on, Clint Eastwood.
Xnoybis - 31.07.2010 at 07:28  
Written by Lit. on 31.07.2010 at 06:35

You know, the review and your opinions mean fuck-all.

Believe it or not, the album got rave reviews from multiple sources.
Kerrang!, Metal Hammer, Metacritic, Rolling Stone, you name it.

The reason I believe it got reviewed so bad by Gene Shalit up there is because he's a closet fanatic, but doesn't want anyone to know.

I loved it, and I don't even like Metalcore.

You people need to grow up, get off your high horses, clean your shorts, ect., ect. This review is bullshit.


i'm sorry your experience in listening to this album was different than mine and you cannot accept the fact that i might have actually disliked the album thoroughly based upon it's own merits. (or rather lack thereof)

as for whether or not i am a closet fanatic, and "don't want anyone to know", i can assure you i am not. i'd never listened to them before and have actually been yelled at by other users for deleting their votes when they hit this band with straight 1's (although their votes make more sense now...) as being a fanboi.

i don't hide my musical preferences. i have no need to. a glance at my "collection" is testimony to that.

i don't ride a high horse. i merely call albums as i see them.

i WANTED to like this, knowing how much it would piss off the anti-a7x crowd to say nice things about them ... but i couldn't. the album was terrible. i don't ever want to listen to it again. the review is not bullshit. it's my HONEST opinion on the music.

but nice detective work, you have unmasked me as Gene Shalit.




have a nice evening.


p.s. - thanks for the riotous laughs in citing Rolling Fucking Stone as validation of this album. i think that proves my point...
Lit. - 31.07.2010 at 07:50  
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Written by Xnoybis on 31.07.2010 at 07:28

Written by Lit. on 31.07.2010 at 06:35

You know, the review and your opinions mean fuck-all.

Believe it or not, the album got rave reviews from multiple sources.
Kerrang!, Metal Hammer, Metacritic, Rolling Stone, you name it.

The reason I believe it got reviewed so bad by Gene Shalit up there is because he's a closet fanatic, but doesn't want anyone to know.

I loved it, and I don't even like Metalcore.

You people need to grow up, get off your high horses, clean your shorts, ect., ect. This review is bullshit.


i'm sorry your experience in listening to this album was different than mine and you cannot accept the fact that i might have actually disliked the album thoroughly based upon it's own merits. (or rather lack thereof)

as for whether or not i am a closet fanatic, and "don't want anyone to know", i can assure you i am not. i'd never listened to them before and have actually been yelled at by other users for deleting their votes when they hit this band with straight 1's (although their votes make more sense now...) as being a fanboi.

i don't hide my musical preferences. i have no need to. a glance at my "collection" is testimony to that.

i don't ride a high horse. i merely call albums as i see them.

i WANTED to like this, knowing how much it would piss off the anti-a7x crowd to say nice things about them ... but i couldn't. the album was terrible. i don't ever want to listen to it again. the review is not bullshit. it's my HONEST opinion on the music.

but nice detective work, you have unmasked me as Gene Shalit.




have a nice evening.


p.s. - thanks for the riotous laughs in citing Rolling Fucking Stone as validation of this album. i think that proves my point...


Well, to be honest, I lied about the Stones review. Never found one. Just put it in there assuming that a big name giving it a good review would cause people to reconsider their opinion, which, apparently, I was dead wrong about. Dammit.

Riddle me this, though: If you've never listened ot them before, then why listen to this one? I can understand that you have to listen to albums, being an admin and all, but wouldn't it make more sense to review albums of bands you like?

Still, I admire your honesty...


but nice detective work, you have unmasked me as Gene Shalit.



...And your humor.
Xnoybis - 31.07.2010 at 08:02  
Written by Lit. on 31.07.2010 at 07:50

...And your humor.


in the parlance of our times, l2quote, dude.

why did i get it?

simple. staff has made a decision to spend more time on reviewing bigger releases than having us spending the bulk of our (volunteer) time on unknown unsigned artists which most folks don't even bother to read.

this was one of the larger bands on the list.

i'd never listened to them before and don't really give a flying fuck at a rolling donut as to whether or not it's cool to like or dislike a band. i'm going to say what i feel regardless as to whether or not the majority will agree or disagree with me.

seems that's a pretty good starting point for a review...
JCJen7 - 31.07.2010 at 08:04  
Personally, I loved this album. I thought it had a good amount of aggression, and technicality in it. The guitars were crisp, the drums pounding, and the vocals were diversified and soaringly harsh. Songs like Nightmare and Welcome to the Family seem to be modernized Metallica throwbacks, while Buried Alive is a vocal masterpiece. So Far Away is a heart-wrenching ballad of their lost drummer, and God Hates Us is a punch in the face, and brings memories of early Avenged Sevenfold. Of course though, you are too proud to like a "teenage band" such as Avenged Sevenfold. Sure, nothing incredibly groundbreaking here, but a good collection of diverse, kickass songs.
cam - 31.07.2010 at 09:59  
Difference of opinion! Alert the internet police!

Is it really so amazing to people that others don't like exactly what they like? If you require that everyone agrees with you all the time, join a commune.

I have listened to the songs off of this album on Avenged Sevenfold's Myspace through at least a couple of times each now and I don't like it. It's not because I'm worried that I'll be kicked out of the Steeds-of-Iron-and-Leather Club or because "I'm too proud." It's because I don't like it, end of story.

If reading about something you like getting shit-canned on the internet upsets you so much, maybe you should sell your computer and take up flower arranging.

Now, it's time to pack my crap and head to Knebworth so I can get prime position for Anthrax!
silenius - 31.07.2010 at 10:33  
Why does everyone who dont like a negative review use the frase''if you dont like it, dont review it´´, a review is another persons view of a certain album to get some insight in the album, therefore, if you dont like the review, DONT READ IT and complain afterwards
Marcus - 31.07.2010 at 12:03  
Why can't BitterCold simply not like a band cuz he don't like em?

If you don't like A7x it's not necessarily because it's a cool thing to do or because you're a closet fanatic or can't like teenage bands. Maybe some people think A7x is bad simply because they're cringe inducing.

Next let's all throw a shitstorm at Marcel the next time he positively reviews a doom band no one's heard of just because he wants to be edgy and different, and not cuz he actually likes it.

Jesus, people like different music. Grow up.
R.I.Pdeadlegends - 31.07.2010 at 12:08  
I like the album cover
vezzy - 31.07.2010 at 13:04  
Totally agree with the review.
BTW, The Rev never was a great drummer, just because he's dead doesn't mean we should suddenly pretend he was a legend.
Angelic Storm - 31.07.2010 at 14:19  
Written by cam on 31.07.2010 at 09:59

Difference of opinion! Alert the internet police!

Is it really so amazing to people that others don't like exactly what they like? If you require that everyone agrees with you all the time, join a commune.


Exactly. Its always amazed me how many people get up in arms just because someone disagrees with their opinion on music.

Ive not heard the album, nor do I have any particular desire to... But I see A7X are still using their Derek The Skull ripoff as their logo?
Derwood - 31.07.2010 at 16:41  
Written by Xnoybis on 31.07.2010 at 08:02

simple. staff has made a decision to spend more time on reviewing bigger releases than having us spending the bulk of our (volunteer) time on unknown unsigned artists which most folks don't even bother to read.


Bloody hell, I certainly hope that's not true. I've discovered a lot of bands thanks to the reviews on this site. It's the biggest reason I check in here daily, hoping to find another undiscovered band that I'll come to love. I would likely have never found Process of Guilt, Obscura, Oranssi Pazuzu, most recently Neuromist or a host of other bands had it not been for the reviews posted here.

I can find reviews of albums from the bigger name acts anywhere, including snooze fests like Nightmare. I come to MS for informed reviews of albums from bands I'm not familiar with.
Ozman - 31.07.2010 at 16:46  
Written by Derwood on 31.07.2010 at 16:41

Written by Xnoybis on 31.07.2010 at 08:02

simple. staff has made a decision to spend more time on reviewing bigger releases than having us spending the bulk of our (volunteer) time on unknown unsigned artists which most folks don't even bother to read.


Bloody hell, I certainly hope that's not true. I've discovered a lot of bands thanks to the reviews on this site. It's the biggest reason I check in here daily, hoping to find another undiscovered band that I'll come to love. I would likely have never found Process of Guilt, Obscura, Oranssi Pazuzu, most recently Neuromist or a host of other bands had it not been for the reviews posted here.

I can find reviews of albums from the bigger name acts anywhere, including snooze fests like Nightmare. I come to MS for informed reviews of albums from bands I'm not familiar with.


That's the spirit. I wholeheartedly agree with you.
Deadsoulman - 31.07.2010 at 17:18  
Written by Derwood on 31.07.2010 at 16:41

Written by Xnoybis on 31.07.2010 at 08:02

simple. staff has made a decision to spend more time on reviewing bigger releases than having us spending the bulk of our (volunteer) time on unknown unsigned artists which most folks don't even bother to read.


Bloody hell, I certainly hope that's not true. I've discovered a lot of bands thanks to the reviews on this site. It's the biggest reason I check in here daily, hoping to find another undiscovered band that I'll come to love. I would likely have never found Process of Guilt, Obscura, Oranssi Pazuzu, most recently Neuromist or a host of other bands had it not been for the reviews posted here.

I can find reviews of albums from the bigger name acts anywhere, including snooze fests like Nightmare. I come to MS for informed reviews of albums from bands I'm not familiar with.


That doesn't mean the flow of underground reviews will decrease. Underground releases are sent out to the reviewers by the labels, so the reviewers commit to reviewing them, while the more "mainstream" albums are just out there, up for grabs so to speak.
Thanntos - 31.07.2010 at 20:24  
If you think to write a review about an album, you have to like the band...thats pure BS. Its the job of a reviewer to cover a wide variety of genres and styles to either widen their range or open the mind more. However doing this does not automatically mean youre going to like it. Bittercold gace a very generous rating although some parts of the review were little harsh.

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and I think they should be put up there with Killswitch Engage, All That Remains and As I Lay Dying.


Just no. You will never hear any of these bands on the radio like you do A7X, save a couple KSE balls like Arms of Sorrow (good song...) All play completely different styles and are not 'watered down' for the sake of 13 y/o kids like A7X.

BTW, these song titles are probably the worst I have seen on ANY album in a LONG time. Terrible.
RavenKing - 31.07.2010 at 21:31  
Written by Lit. on 31.07.2010 at 06:35

You people need to grow up, get off your high horses, clean your shorts, ect., ect. This review is bullshit.


It's not the first time I see you defending shitty stuff. You need to grow up and learn that some people have tastes and standards, so unlike you they won't praise any crap.

And official reviews mean nothing. The reviewers are corrupted by the capitalist industry. They sold out their integrity long ago.
RavenKing - 31.07.2010 at 21:49  
Written by Ozman on 31.07.2010 at 16:46

Written by Derwood on 31.07.2010 at 16:41

Written by Xnoybis on 31.07.2010 at 08:02

simple. staff has made a decision to spend more time on reviewing bigger releases than having us spending the bulk of our (volunteer) time on unknown unsigned artists which most folks don't even bother to read.


Bloody hell, I certainly hope that's not true. I've discovered a lot of bands thanks to the reviews on this site. It's the biggest reason I check in here daily, hoping to find another undiscovered band that I'll come to love. I would likely have never found Process of Guilt, Obscura, Oranssi Pazuzu, most recently Neuromist or a host of other bands had it not been for the reviews posted here.

I can find reviews of albums from the bigger name acts anywhere, including snooze fests like Nightmare. I come to MS for informed reviews of albums from bands I'm not familiar with.


That's the spirit. I wholeheartedly agree with you.


I totally agree with you and Derwood. We don't need reviews about mainstream metal albums. We can find this everywhere on the net if we want. Add to this that I hate mainstream metal in general.
What is interesting is to find new stuff that is pretty much unknown, and many times this stuff is much more interesting than mainstream metal.
Angelic Storm - 31.07.2010 at 21:58  
I dont want to download the album to listen to the full thing. But I decided to check out the title track which is on youtube.

I had heard one A7X song years ago, and thought it was okay, and I dont let anyone else's opinions positive or negative to affect what I think. So I thought what the heck, I'll give it a go. lol The intro of the song was actually good, with a decent atmosphere, and good melodic guitars. But as soon as the singer screamed "Niiightmaare!" and the song proper started, it was like a different band had started playing, and it was downhill from there. It just sounded very artificial, and weak. Mike Portnoy is meant to be on drums, but I could never have guessed just by listening to this song. Where was the imaginative fills and drumming flair? Its like he just phoned in the performance. I dunno what the rest of the album is like, but if the title track is a good indicator of what it's like, I think I'll give it a miss. :\
Reizenstein - 01.08.2010 at 00:39  
It's always amusing to read the comments and see people who react like their mother is being donkeypunched every time someone dislikes an album they like.
BlueMobius - 01.08.2010 at 03:50  
A 4.1 is an epic win for Avenged Sevenfold on this site.
Sephiros - 01.08.2010 at 06:03  
The fact is music being an art form we can only give our opinions on things and see what we collectively agree on. Stating that the new album Nightmare is garbage is just pure ignorance intended to start a forum fire. I have a philosophy when it comes to music "It's wrong to like something because nobody else does, and it's wrong to hate something because everyone else enjoys it."

What I mean by that is I've been fed up with people who immediately dismiss something just because of it's mainstream success, I'm fed up with people who only enjoy somebody because of their mainstream success, but most of all I completely and utterly cannot stand people who intentionally enjoy only bands who are NOT on the radio.

My favorite band is Dream Theater. In my eyes they crush everyone in terms of musicianship and writing ability but that's just my opinion. And I genuinely like Dream Theater not because of their lack of radio play (the gay kid at school that thinks he's cool cause he listens to underground bands) but because of their talent.

That being said I'm also a huge fan of A7X, they're all over the radio this everybody knows but they certainly do not conform in any way nor is their material directed by the record label or "suits" as our intelligent friend "bittercold" so aptly put it. Yes they have ballads but who f*ing cares, if you don't like ballads go listen to what pleases you. The bottom line is A7X has increadible musicianship, far more than your average growling cookie cutter shredding band does. They write all of their songs without any outside help and are not forced by anyone to change their sound to better fit the label's desires.

It may sound blasphemous but if you take the stick out of your ass and listen with a completely unbiased ear to "Buried Alive" it could easily find a home on MOP or AJFA if you visualize hetfield on lyrics. It's obvious Metallica was one of their main influences and whether you want to admit it or not they are one of the most talented bands out there.

If you didn't like the album for whatever personal reasons you prefer to love the unknowns and hate the popular bands then at least say so in a respectful way, especially after the band (and fans) are going through the pain of losing the Rev.
BlueMobius - 01.08.2010 at 06:57  
Written by Sephiros on 01.08.2010 at 06:03

The fact is music being an art form we can only give our opinions on things and see what we collectively agree on. Stating that the new album Nightmare is garbage is just pure ignorance intended to start a forum fire. I have a philosophy when it comes to music "It's wrong to like something because nobody else does, and it's wrong to hate something because everyone else enjoys it."

What I mean by that is I've been fed up with people who immediately dismiss something just because of it's mainstream success, I'm fed up with people who only enjoy somebody because of their mainstream success, but most of all I completely and utterly cannot stand people who intentionally enjoy only bands who are NOT on the radio.

My favorite band is Dream Theater. In my eyes they crush everyone in terms of musicianship and writing ability but that's just my opinion. And I genuinely like Dream Theater not because of their lack of radio play (the gay kid at school that thinks he's cool cause he listens to underground bands) but because of their talent.

That being said I'm also a huge fan of A7X, they're all over the radio this everybody knows but they certainly do not conform in any way nor is their material directed by the record label or "suits" as our intelligent friend "bittercold" so aptly put it. Yes they have ballads but who f*ing cares, if you don't like ballads go listen to what pleases you. The bottom line is A7X has increadible musicianship, far more than your average growling cookie cutter shredding band does. They write all of their songs without any outside help and are not forced by anyone to change their sound to better fit the label's desires.

It may sound blasphemous but if you take the stick out of your ass and listen with a completely unbiased ear to "Buried Alive" it could easily find a home on MOP or AJFA if you visualize hetfield on lyrics. It's obvious Metallica was one of their main influences and whether you want to admit it or not they are one of the most talented bands out there.

If you didn't like the album for whatever personal reasons you prefer to love the unknowns and hate the popular bands then at least say so in a respectful way, especially after the band (and fans) are going through the pain of losing the Rev.


The reviewer didn't like the album, so get over it. If you didn't like an album from a band, would you write a positive review about it? Maybe people don't like or dislike albums because of popularity or lack there of, maybe BitterCOld just plain didn't like it. When I listen to something, it has nothing to do with how many other people like the band or not, it has everything to do with whether I like it or not. And if I don't like it then that's my opinion, and I'm sure the reviewer is entitled to his own opinion.
Xnoybis - 01.08.2010 at 07:11  
Written by Sephiros on 01.08.2010 at 06:03

The fact is music being an art form we can only give our opinions on things and see what we collectively agree on. Stating that the new album Nightmare is garbage is just pure ignorance intended to start a forum fire. I have a philosophy when it comes to music "It's wrong to like something because nobody else does, and it's wrong to hate something because everyone else enjoys it."

What I mean by that is I've been fed up with people who immediately dismiss something just because of it's mainstream success, I'm fed up with people who only enjoy somebody because of their mainstream success, but most of all I completely and utterly cannot stand people who intentionally enjoy only bands who are NOT on the radio.


i didn't immediately dismiss this album. i listened to it, honestly. and i did not like it.

i really don't give a shit about what's cool or not. my favorite album ever by my favorite band ever featured their highest charting single ever (Cure/Disintegration/"Love Song" which peaked at 2 or 4 in the US)... it was popular. it's still popular. it's still my favorite album ever. other bands i listen to aren't cool.

as for cool, being a married 37yo, for the most part, listening to metal is UNcool. at least with the people i like to hang around IRL.

furthermore this is an internet site. I've been here six years now. i've met exactly ONE Metalstormer in real life, so i have even less to "prove" to a virtual community than i do the people i know in real life.

i'm fed up with people who immediately assume that just because a reviewer didn't like an album they do that the reviewer has some form of agenda and lacks the ability to analyze music in a remotely objective manner. the comments in this review mark the third time in two weeks i've responded to such bullshit comments. (The other two times were directed at two different MS reviewers).

the album is boring, safe, radio-friendly crap. (there is stuff that is radio-friendly and not crap. this album is not one of them).

the beauty of opinions is you can have yours, i can have mine and both are correct.

the difference is i won't slag on you and denigrate your reasons for having an opinion which differs from mine.
Troy Killjoy - 01.08.2010 at 08:16  
Damn right you listened to this album. You even wrote a fucking journal about it!



PS - "A7X" (nice try-hard alias) is the Nickelback of the metal community.
Angelic Storm - 01.08.2010 at 11:30  
Written by Sephiros on 01.08.2010 at 06:03
What I mean by that is I've been fed up with people who immediately dismiss something just because of it's mainstream success, I'm fed up with people who only enjoy somebody because of their mainstream success, but most of all I completely and utterly cannot stand people who intentionally enjoy only bands who are NOT on the radio.


Geez, I cant seem to escape from this subject these days... lol

While I definitely do agree that there are metalheads who dismiss certain metal purely because it is popular, and purposely try to only listen to obscure unknown bands to appear "true to metal", that doesnt mean that everyone who dismisses something popular is doing so to appear "cool". The problem is, how do you tell the difference between a blind elitist who is slamming something popular in order to protect some pathetic "tr00" image, and those who genuinely dont like it? You can usually tell by the type of language used, and by the way they criticise the band/album.

Im about as anti-elitist as you can get, and treat "tr00" elitists opinions with just as much disdain, if not even more so than those of blind fanboys. To me, they are just as bad as each other. I listened to the title track of "Nightmare", and it just didnt do anything for me. Yep, I wouldnt be at all surprised if there are some people who dismiss it just because the band is popular (especially any band popular with "scene kids" is seen as an "arch enemy of tr00 metal" ) and are trying to fit in with the popular opinion on metal sites like this. But you cannot accuse everyone who doesnt like it of having that mindset. People have different tastes, and this seems to be the one thing that both fanboys and tr00 elitists have a hard time getting to grips with. Disagreeing is fine, but pulling someone down just because their opinion on music disagress with yours is quite another. This is usually the easiest way of spotting a tr00 elitist, or a blind fanboy. They cannot merely disagree with your opinion, they also have to rubbish its credibility.

While I do agree with your initial point, you cant expect that every metal fan who listens with unbiased, objective ears is going to like the A7X album, because thats just unrealistic and silly.
Necrodamus - 01.08.2010 at 12:01  
I thought with the addition of Mike Portnoy on drums this would turn out at least halfway decent, but nope...it's just another mediocre metalcore ablum. I personally don't like this band and I agree with the review, but I can understand their appeal in the mainstream. With that scene look and the way they sound these days, I find it hard to believe they will ever be as "metal" as they are trying to be.
Daniell - 01.08.2010 at 12:05  
Written by Sephiros on 01.08.2010 at 06:03

If you didn't like the album for whatever personal reasons you prefer to love the unknowns and hate the popular bands then at least say so in a respectful way, especially after the band (and fans) are going through the pain of losing the Rev.


Dude, that's the beauty of writing for an independent website - we can say what we REALLY think without being afraid of losing our jobs. Nobody pays us for these reviews, so at least they're honest. Good luck finding honest reviews written by those who write them for a living for, say, Metal Hammer...

This album is utter crap. Look, I didn't get fired!
RavenKing - 01.08.2010 at 17:41  
Written by Angelic Storm on 01.08.2010 at 11:30

Geez, I cant seem to escape from this subject these days... lol

While I definitely do agree that there are metalheads who dismiss certain metal purely because it is popular, and purposely try to only listen to obscure unknown bands to appear "true to metal", that doesnt mean that everyone who dismisses something popular is doing so to appear "cool". The problem is, how do you tell the difference between a blind elitist who is slamming something popular in order to protect some pathetic "tr00" image, and those who genuinely dont like it? You can usually tell by the type of language used, and by the way they criticise the band/album.

Im about as anti-elitist as you can get, and treat "tr00" elitists opinions with just as much disdain, if not even more so than those of blind fanboys. To me, they are just as bad as each other. I listened to the title track of "Nightmare", and it just didnt do anything for me. Yep, I wouldnt be at all surprised if there are some people who dismiss it just because the band is popular (especially any band popular with "scene kids" is seen as an "arch enemy of tr00 metal" ) and are trying to fit in with the popular opinion on metal sites like this. But you cannot accuse everyone who doesnt like it of having that mindset. People have different tastes, and this seems to be the one thing that both fanboys and tr00 elitists have a hard time getting to grips with. Disagreeing is fine, but pulling someone down just because their opinion on music disagress with yours is quite another. This is usually the easiest way of spotting a tr00 elitist, or a blind fanboy. They cannot merely disagree with your opinion, they also have to rubbish its credibility.

While I do agree with your initial point, you cant expect that every metal fan who listens with unbiased, objective ears is going to like the A7X album, because thats just unrealistic and silly.


Agreed on almost everything. Even if I'm a bit elitist to a certain extent. And while I'm a bit elitist, music is all that matters to me. I don't like 'tr00 kvlt' kiddies because it's pushing elitism too far to the point it becomes a joke and looses all credibility.

Dismissing bands only because they are popular is stupid but on the other hand the underserved praise some bands receive can piss me off at times (lots of people are idiots who will only follow the trends without thinking by themselves). Exactly as liking something only because it's very underground and unknown even if it sounds like pure shit is stupid, while on the other hand dismissing a band only because it's unknown ("if no one cares for it, then it's because it sucks") is stupid.
I woul say there is two sides to a coin and it depends on perception. What is wrong for someone can be acceptable for someone else.

Liking something only because it's popular is foolish.
Hating something only because it's popular is foolish.
Liking something only because it's underground is foolish.
Hating something only because it's underground is foolish.

I can hardly put it in a clearer way.


And writing opinions just to look cool (because it's cool to hate this or praise that) is for the weak-minded who are searching for acceptance and recognition, people who have no integrity and post opinions to please others no matter what they really think. People who base their opinions on what kind of reaction it will receive are no more than sheeps who foolishly follow the herd.

The only point on which I would disagree is, personnally, I have much less trouble tolerating elitists who are going too far, than I can have with fanboys. I hate fanboys and consider them as the greatest plague on metal boards.
Angelic Storm - 01.08.2010 at 17:51  
@Hidden_Dictator: I can only wholeheartedly agree with everything in the above post. xD

As for your last point, I think why I would put "tr00 elitists" into the same category as fanboys is because I see it as two sides of the same coin. The reason for being a sheep may be different, but they're still being sheep nonetheless. Also, "tr00 eltists" usually slam fanboys of popular bands, not realising how hypocritical they are being. IMO, anybody who's opinions on metal are shaped by other's opinions, and how others view their opinions, do not deserve to have their views respected, or treated with a shred of credibility.
RavenKing - 01.08.2010 at 18:44  
Written by Angelic Storm on 01.08.2010 at 17:51

@Hidden_Dictator: I can only wholeheartedly agree with everything in the above post. xD

As for your last point, I think why I would put "tr00 elitists" into the same category as fanboys is because I see it as two sides of the same coin. The reason for being a sheep may be different, but they're still being sheep nonetheless. Also, "tr00 eltists" usually slam fanboys of popular bands, not realising how hypocritical they are being. IMO, anybody who's opinions on metal are shaped by other's opinions, and how others view their opinions, do not deserve to have their views respected, or treated with a shred of credibility.


That's why I don't like 'tr00 kvlt kiddies'. Because they're a different kind of sheep who base their opinions on bands more according to exterior elements than the music itself. Or people who value music because of ideologies, politics or the nationalist aspect.
I once saw a guy posting a comment about a Black Metal band being "a bit lacking in the nationalist department". Let's say it was one of the most ridiculous comment I ever read on a metal board.
Thanntos - 01.08.2010 at 22:03  
I could be one of those people who look for the more underground bands that a lot of people won't ever hear just because I like to explore the massive variety of music. I use sites like RYM to find some really incredible yet unknown albums. I do like having a larger catalog of music to bring up to people, whom of course has never heard of them, but its fun to get more and more people interested in them. Yet I do not consider myself an elitist. Reason being, I also listen to a lot of mainstream music that some may consider crap like many are doing with this album. Example two of my favorite albums of the past decade are The Angelic Process' 'Weighing Souls with Sand', and Killswitch Engage 'As Daylight Dies'. Two totally different spectrum's of metal. Yet I don't give a fuck if people know I love KSE. People try to cover up stuff like that saying it's a "guilty pleasure". I hate that shit. Nothing guilty about it. I fucking love KSE.
I really did like Waking the Fallen, but I listened to this album and thought it was pretty terrible, and agree with bittercold on the rating.
silenius - 01.08.2010 at 22:18  
I listen to Keane, vnv nation and Gorillaz. But i find metalcore in general to be utter worthless crap(there are some bright spots here and there) and a7x is probably the worst of the bunch, disgusting music(and yes ive listened to every goddamn album they¨ve released, just so i can trash them as much as i want to)
Boxcar Willy - 01.08.2010 at 23:31  
Good reveiw Bc and i agree pure shit. all avenged sevenfold is, (IMO) its just rock with swearing.
Sephiros - 02.08.2010 at 00:15  
I agree for the most part with everyone's reply, I just feel that a certain level of respect is deserved for any band even if you don't like them. Ya it's the internet, ya you can say whatever the f* you want but so I can I. So if your fed up with having backlash on your reviews try using some tact. A7X got a lot of flames for their experimenting on their self titled but I've read plenty of reviews that put it in a respectful way "Too much studio polish" "Didn't recapture the flame they had on WTF or COE" etc, not stuff like "The album has more ballads than a "Best of Aerosmith Since '88" box set and even during aggressive songs the band still finds time to pop their testicles back in Warner Music's purse and wuss out."

Rewind 25 years and you have similar haters on thrash bands like Metallica / Slayer / Megadeth "Those darn trash bands! So loud! punk kids! whipper snappers!" now in the present we have you guys saying "That's why I don't like 'tr00 kvlt kiddies'. Because they're a different kind of sheep who base their opinions on bands more according to exterior elements than the music itself."

No offense but it's kinda funny to see history continue to repeat itself. Can't wait to see what people are saying in another 25 years.

#2 band of the decade on Ultimate Guitar (Next to metallica, let me guess...Metallica sucks now too right?!)
Slash has played with them live and even featured M.Shadows on his solo album.
Portnoy was honored to do the album / tour with them for Nightmare.
They've also been widely accepted as one of the most important bands in the NWOAHM.
but of course that all means nothing right? Their choruses are "catchy" and the suits dictate their music (even though you have absolutely no evidence of this)

Tact...get some. I'm done with this conversation though cause it's just going to go in circles lol. Look forward to your future reviews, they certainly are good for a laugh ;-)
BlueMobius - 02.08.2010 at 00:42  
Written by Sephiros on 02.08.2010 at 00:15

I agree for the most part with everyone's reply, I just feel that a certain level of respect is deserved for any band even if you don't like them. Ya it's the internet, ya you can say whatever the f* you want but so I can I. So if your fed up with having backlash on your reviews try using some tact. A7X got a lot of flames for their experimenting on their self titled but I've read plenty of reviews that put it in a respectful way "Too much studio polish" "Didn't recapture the flame they had on WTF or COE" etc, not stuff like "The album has more ballads than a "Best of Aerosmith Since '88" box set and even during aggressive songs the band still finds time to pop their testicles back in Warner Music's purse and wuss out."

Rewind 25 years and you have similar haters on thrash bands like Metallica / Slayer / Megadeth "Those darn trash bands! So loud! punk kids! whipper snappers!" now in the present we have you guys saying "That's why I don't like 'tr00 kvlt kiddies'. Because they're a different kind of sheep who base their opinions on bands more according to exterior elements than the music itself."

No offense but it's kinda funny to see history continue to repeat itself. Can't wait to see what people are saying in another 25 years.

#2 band of the decade on Ultimate Guitar (Next to metallica, let me guess...Metallica sucks now too right?!)
Slash has played with them live and even featured M.Shadows on his solo album.
Portnoy was honored to do the album / tour with them for Nightmare.
They've also been widely accepted as one of the most important bands in the NWOAHM.
but of course that all means nothing right? Their choruses are "catchy" and the suits dictate their music (even though you have absolutely no evidence of this)

Tact...get some. I'm done with this conversation though cause it's just going to go in circles lol. Look forward to your future reviews, they certainly are good for a laugh ;-)


So you like mainstream metal and you don't like it when somebody call's it commercial bullcrap. <--- that's all you needed to say.
Thanntos - 02.08.2010 at 01:33  
Probably saying 'put the bad things you say in a more respectful and professional way' which I actually agree with. Every good writer should be able to do this in one way or another.
JCJen7 - 02.08.2010 at 02:29  
Written by BlueMobius on 02.08.2010 at 00:42

Written by Sephiros on 02.08.2010 at 00:15

I agree for the most part with everyone's reply, I just feel that a certain level of respect is deserved for any band even if you don't like them. Ya it's the internet, ya you can say whatever the f* you want but so I can I. So if your fed up with having backlash on your reviews try using some tact. A7X got a lot of flames for their experimenting on their self titled but I've read plenty of reviews that put it in a respectful way "Too much studio polish" "Didn't recapture the flame they had on WTF or COE" etc, not stuff like "The album has more ballads than a "Best of Aerosmith Since '88" box set and even during aggressive songs the band still finds time to pop their testicles back in Warner Music's purse and wuss out."

Rewind 25 years and you have similar haters on thrash bands like Metallica / Slayer / Megadeth "Those darn trash bands! So loud! punk kids! whipper snappers!" now in the present we have you guys saying "That's why I don't like 'tr00 kvlt kiddies'. Because they're a different kind of sheep who base their opinions on bands more according to exterior elements than the music itself."

No offense but it's kinda funny to see history continue to repeat itself. Can't wait to see what people are saying in another 25 years.

#2 band of the decade on Ultimate Guitar (Next to metallica, let me guess...Metallica sucks now too right?!)
Slash has played with them live and even featured M.Shadows on his solo album.
Portnoy was honored to do the album / tour with them for Nightmare.
They've also been widely accepted as one of the most important bands in the NWOAHM.
but of course that all means nothing right? Their choruses are "catchy" and the suits dictate their music (even though you have absolutely no evidence of this)

Tact...get some. I'm done with this conversation though cause it's just going to go in circles lol. Look forward to your future reviews, they certainly are good for a laugh ;-)


So you like mainstream metal and you don't like it when somebody call's it commercial bullcrap. <--- that's all you needed to say.



Wow, someone writes such a great call out to a questionable review, and he gets smashed by such a stupid, ignorant, and off-mark reply. Try reading over it again, you might learn something
Xnoybis - 02.08.2010 at 03:01  
Written by Sephiros on 02.08.2010 at 00:15

So if your fed up with having backlash on your reviews try using some tact.


i'm not terribly concerned.
DIO Is God - 02.08.2010 at 04:13  
Fucking bullshit review. I hate just about all old A7X, yet I will admit that this was a very good album.
BlueMobius - 02.08.2010 at 06:20  
Written by JCJen7 on 02.08.2010 at 02:29

Written by BlueMobius on 02.08.2010 at 00:42

Written by Sephiros on 02.08.2010 at 00:15

I agree for the most part with everyone's reply, I just feel that a certain level of respect is deserved for any band even if you don't like them. Ya it's the internet, ya you can say whatever the f* you want but so I can I. So if your fed up with having backlash on your reviews try using some tact. A7X got a lot of flames for their experimenting on their self titled but I've read plenty of reviews that put it in a respectful way "Too much studio polish" "Didn't recapture the flame they had on WTF or COE" etc, not stuff like "The album has more ballads than a "Best of Aerosmith Since '88" box set and even during aggressive songs the band still finds time to pop their testicles back in Warner Music's purse and wuss out."

Rewind 25 years and you have similar haters on thrash bands like Metallica / Slayer / Megadeth "Those darn trash bands! So loud! punk kids! whipper snappers!" now in the present we have you guys saying "That's why I don't like 'tr00 kvlt kiddies'. Because they're a different kind of sheep who base their opinions on bands more according to exterior elements than the music itself."

No offense but it's kinda funny to see history continue to repeat itself. Can't wait to see what people are saying in another 25 years.

#2 band of the decade on Ultimate Guitar (Next to metallica, let me guess...Metallica sucks now too right?!)
Slash has played with them live and even featured M.Shadows on his solo album.
Portnoy was honored to do the album / tour with them for Nightmare.
They've also been widely accepted as one of the most important bands in the NWOAHM.
but of course that all means nothing right? Their choruses are "catchy" and the suits dictate their music (even though you have absolutely no evidence of this)

Tact...get some. I'm done with this conversation though cause it's just going to go in circles lol. Look forward to your future reviews, they certainly are good for a laugh ;-)


So you like mainstream metal and you don't like it when somebody call's it commercial bullcrap. <--- that's all you needed to say.



Wow, someone writes such a great call out to a questionable review, and he gets smashed by such a stupid, ignorant, and off-mark reply. Try reading over it again, you might learn something


Uh, how is a review questionable? It's the dudes own opinion of the album. A review is not supposed to be what everyone should think of an album...it gives insight in to one persons point of view on it. You don't have to like the review, but it is what it is. You can have your own opinion on the album too. Just because BitterCOld thinks it sucks, doesn't mean you can't enjoy it. You don't get upset everytime someone doesn't like your favorite type of soda or icecream do you?

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