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| Oh my god, Troy... Can you choose someone else to blame than Tuomas Saukkonen? Black Sun Aeon at first, now Before the Dawn... Do you have any problem with him? If you like Black Sabbath or so more, it's ok but don't discourage people from this fantastic artist! |
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 muska - 07.11.2011 at 15:53
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I am really sad to admit, that I found this latest effort lacking in atmosphere just as the reviewer stated  |
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| It's because Troy likes his previous work, that's why he could be bothered to move his arse and write a few paragraphs about the music, perhaps hoping Tuomas would listen |
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| Gife moar 4:17 am! found this album to be kinda meh, due to the lack of atmosphere^^ spot on review mate. |
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Written by MetalHOE on 07.11.2011 at 13:47
Can you choose someone else to blame than Tuomas Saukkonen?
Not really, considering he's the mastermind behind the music and main composer... 
As for liking Black Sabbath (not sure where you were going with that argument), ya I like them, but I'm not going to review an album from 1970 that everyone already knows about. |
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 07.11.2011 at 20:29
Written by MetalHOE on 07.11.2011 at 13:47
Can you choose someone else to blame than Tuomas Saukkonen?
Not really, considering he's the mastermind behind the music and main composer...
As for liking Black Sabbath (not sure where you were going with that argument), ya I like them, but I'm not going to review an album from 1970 that everyone already knows about.
Really funny :-) I am just curious if you are going to criticize all his albums or if it is only a coincidence that you've already blamed two of them in a few days... He doesn't deserve it at all. |
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Written by MetalHOE on 07.11.2011 at 20:42
Really funny :-) I am just curious if you are going to criticize all his albums or if it is only a coincidence that you've already blamed two of them in a few days... He doesn't deserve it at all.
I'm criticizing his two releases from this year. But if I were going to review his previous material, I'd have a lot more positive things to say.
As for him not "deserving it"... That just sounds fanboyish, sorry. I'll be reviewing Amoral's latest next, so the Saukkonen "bashing" has met its end. |
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 07.11.2011 at 20:46
Written by MetalHOE on 07.11.2011 at 20:42
Really funny :-) I am just curious if you are going to criticize all his albums or if it is only a coincidence that you've already blamed two of them in a few days... He doesn't deserve it at all.
I'm criticizing his two releases from this year. But if I were going to review his previous material, I'd have a lot more positive things to say.
As for him not "deserving it"... That just sounds fanboyish, sorry. I'll be reviewing Amoral's latest next, so the Saukkonen "bashing" has met its end.
Well, I am a big fan of Tuomas Saukkonen's music as well as of many other great metal bands... But I don't think there are much more artists with the same attitude and progressive-songwritting ability. Nevertheless, I am glad you are going to focus your attention on some "maybe better" bands in your opinion (I don't know so not trying to guess...). |
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bluegreengod - 08.11.2011 at 06:04
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| This is far and away BTD's best stuff yet. I'd say it's one of the top 20 or 30 albums this year. |
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Written by Guest on 08.11.2011 at 06:04
This is far and away BTD's best stuff yet.
I'd say it's their best stuff yet if you're into plastic melo-death. But even then this doesn't surpass SoS. |
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Bands who keep producing the same old tripe (see Insomnium) are chastised, band who try and change are chastised... make your mind up!  |
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Written by Merchant of Doom on 08.11.2011 at 17:55
Bands who keep producing the same old tripe (see Insomnium) are chastised, band who try and change are chastised... make your mind up!
What's the old saying... Something like "you can never please everyone, but you can always upset everyone". |
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 08.11.2011 at 19:46
Written by Merchant of Doom on 08.11.2011 at 17:55
Bands who keep producing the same old tripe (see Insomnium) are chastised, band who try and change are chastised... make your mind up!
What's the old saying... Something like "you can never please everyone, but you can always upset everyone".
More than upsetting, I find it irritating... so, what's your stance on this, generally? Should bands progress (in a good or bad way) or just keep repeating the same old cack? I have the feeling that you will say "it depends on the band..." |
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Written by Merchant of Doom on 09.11.2011 at 10:50
Bands who keep producing the same old tripe (see Insomnium) are chastised, band who try and change are chastised... make your mind up!
Correction: bands that try something new and sound shit are chastised. On the whole people don't mock and negatively review bands that sound good that are also creatively new or interesting. It's a pretty easy concept to grasp. |
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 09.11.2011 at 12:52
Written by Merchant of Doom on 09.11.2011 at 10:50
Bands who keep producing the same old tripe (see Insomnium) are chastised, band who try and change are chastised... make your mind up!
Correction: bands that try something new and sound shit are chastised. On the whole people don't mock and negatively reviews bands that sound good that are also creatively new or interesting. It's a pretty easy concept to grasp.
I have seen reviews on this site by people complaining that an album was shit just because the band kept repeating the same formula, despite being a brilliant album (like the new Insomnium one)... Bands that sound good and repeat themselves are definitely "mocked"... |
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Written by Merchant of Doom on 09.11.2011 at 13:49
Bands that sound good and repeat themselves are definitely "mocked"...
As they should be in my opinion. The new Insomnium is a relic and in critical terms not worth more than an average score. |
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Written by !J.O.O.E.! on 09.11.2011 at 13:53
Written by Merchant of Doom on 09.11.2011 at 13:49
Bands that sound good and repeat themselves are definitely "mocked"...
As they should be in my opinion. The new Insomnium is a relic and in critical terms not worth more than an average score.
You win... |
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D.a.n - 09.11.2011 at 17:49
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| Good review Troy [hope you are intent on keeping at least this part of your ID unchanged in future ;-)]. The album is decent/good but not more than that. A little too straightforward (except for a couple of songs) and, unfortunately, totally lacks the unique mood the band managed to get across with their earlier albums -- a similar (and sad) story as the latest Draconian effort... |
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Written by Merchant of Doom on 09.11.2011 at 10:50
Should bands progress (in a good or bad way) or just keep repeating the same old cack? I have the feeling that you will say "it depends on the band..."
Your feeling is very accurate, although JOOE does bring up a good point about bands changing their sound for the worse and being reprimanded for it. I didn't hate this album, I thought it was better than average in fact (not way above average, but decent). The problem is they changed their formula to compete with the likes of other established acts and it's obvious they aren't known for that. Mind you, it's really the first album where they tried for a straightforward approach like this so maybe they'll get closer to the top in the future. Judging the first album to mark a change is always the most difficult because you never know where album #2 will go. |
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Written by D.a.n on 09.11.2011 at 17:49
Good review Troy [hope you are intent on keeping at least this part of your ID unchanged in future ;-)]. The album is decent/good but not more than that. A little too straightforward (except for a couple of songs) and, unfortunately, totally lacks the unique mood the band managed to get across with their earlier albums -- a similar (and sad) story as the latest Draconian effort...
Thanks! And this name will stick for a while now, maybe until April Fool's.
I agree with the new Draconian too. It's another one of those above par releases but not really a birdie either.
I guess below par is better in golf than above par. Golf is stupid. |
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| I listened to it a couple more times and gave it an eight... like I said before, not my type of melodeath, but I adore Lars' vocals THAT MUCH. So awful he's gone. |
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Written by Milena on 07.12.2011 at 10:19
So awful he's gone.
And not only that, but apparently the goal is now to try their hand at "pure" melodic death metal. Scrapping the gothic vibe altogether will be the end of these guys. Most likely anyway - although chances are the MDM masses will eat up the new sound if they can muster up anything like the latest Omnium Gatherum (which is incredibly overrated). |
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| Yep, it's a shame (though I didn't like his voice that much when the original clean singer left, but it fits perfect on this one). If everything start sounding like Omnium Gatherum, I'll probably lose my interest in melodeath |
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 07.12.2011 at 10:23
And not only that, but apparently the goal is now to try their hand at "pure" melodic death metal. Scrapping the gothic vibe altogether will be the end of these guys. Most likely anyway - although chances are the MDM masses will eat up the new sound if they can muster up anything like the latest Omnium Gatherum (which is incredibly overrated).
I don't think they'll be able to do that.
Sure, MDM has become quite the mainstream genre, but there's quite enough bands that put out solid releases, and if this dude keeps on releasing a couple of albums a year, he'll lose the gas needed to reach that solid status. I'm one of the people in the vast mass that very much enjoyed Omnium Gatherum, but this other type of melodeath is a bit too plastic for me to enjoy without some spice. The voice of Lars is such a spice.
OG was overrated, as you say, (although I think they're a nice band, with a good soul and that they've earned this success) because a mass of people has finally moved on from "CHILDREN OF BODOM IS GENIUS, MAN!!!!" to a bit more serious stuff, but with the same awe. I don't find either OG or Bodom's "golden" period genius, but I've probably enjoyed NWS more than a classic CoB release... |
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Written by Milena on 07.12.2011 at 10:38
I'm one of the people in the vast mass that very much enjoyed Omnium Gatherum, but this other type of melodeath is a bit too plastic for me to enjoy without some spice...
Agreed (with this and the CoB fans gone serious). It wouldn't surprise me if BtD became the Sonic Syndicate of melodic death metal. |
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| Now that I've thought about it: maybe he simply wants to separate the sounds of his projects, so he chooses to strip BtD of the gothic influences as the easiest way to make a difference? |
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Written by Milena on 26.12.2011 at 02:31
=Now that I've thought about it: maybe he simply wants to separate the sounds of his projects, so he chooses to strip BtD of the gothic influences as the easiest way to make a difference?
It's quite possible. It's no secret that his many projects don't really stand out from each other, much like Älvestam's multitude of bands. |
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 26.12.2011 at 05:05
It's quite possible. It's no secret that his many projects don't really stand out from each other, much like Älvestam's multitude of bands.
Well dammit Tuomas, it would have been better if you had shut down some I'm not interested in instead of doing this. |
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