Written by M C Vice on 02.02.2012 at 09:32

I saw ICS Vortex in the melodic black write ins. And I'm surprised Megadeth didn't get a nomination, being a very well known band, although I'll be voting for Diamond Plate.

Yea I also saw someone wrote in Vortex for Experimental/Avante Garde too. Megadeth didn't get a Staff nom but they have been wrote-in; I'm not surprised at all that Megadeth didn't nom'd by Staff, there were a lot of far superior thrash releases last year (big name doesn't mean shit in the MS Awards, thank God).

Written by psykometal on 02.02.2012 at 09:40

Written by M C Vice on 02.02.2012 at 09:32

I saw ICS Vortex in the melodic black write ins. And I'm surprised Megadeth didn't get a nomination, being a very well known band, although I'll be voting for Diamond Plate.

(big name doesn't mean shit in the MS Awards, thank God).

I dunno, Draconian got a nomination, although despite all the bagging it got it was still one of the highest rated albums of the year. I guess all the people who liked it were a lot quieter that those that didn't (although thats usually the norm.).

Written by M C Vice on 02.02.2012 at 10:03

I dunno, Draconian got a nomination, although despite all the bagging it got it was still one of the highest rated albums of the year. I guess all the people who liked it were a lot quieter that those that didn't (although thats usually the norm.).

Well I didn't mean to say that big name bands will not get nom'd by Staff but I can guarantee you that Draconian being a big name band in that scene had no baring on Staff's decision to nom it. If Draconian got nom'd by Staff then it's because they put out one hell of a damn good album in that genre. Me personally, I still haven't really gotten into the doom genre much so I wouldn't have ended up nom'ing any doom bands just because that genre isn't my forte at all (and I don't plan on voting in that genre either). I've only cast votes for DM and Djent so far, still going through the other cats I like and sizing up all the Staff nom'd bands before I cast my votes (lengthy process so good thing I have a month)...

Written by psykometal on 02.02.2012 at 10:13

Written by M C Vice on 02.02.2012 at 10:03

I dunno, Draconian got a nomination, although despite all the bagging it got it was still one of the highest rated albums of the year. I guess all the people who liked it were a lot quieter that those that didn't (although thats usually the norm.).

Well I didn't mean to say that big name bands will not get nom'd by Staff but I can guarantee you that Draconian being a big name band in that scene had no baring on Staff's decision to nom it. If Draconian got nom'd by Staff then it's because they put out one hell of a damn good album in that genre. Me personally, I still haven't really gotten into the doom genre much so I wouldn't have ended up nom'ing any doom bands just because that genre isn't my forte at all (and I don't plan on voting in that genre either). I've only cast votes for DM and Djent so far, still going through the other cats I like and sizing up all the Staff nom'd bands before I cast my votes (lengthy process so good thing I have a month)...

Actually, if Draconian were nominated in doom, it wouldn't get in, but it fitted in the gothic metal category and got enough points to pass. Not everyone in staff dislikes their newest

As for putting stuff where it doesn't belong to, please try to check out ALL categories before you put a write in... someone wrote In Flames in melodeath, SyX in symphonic(?), Animals as Leaders in prog... they're all NOMINATED in other fields.

Written by Milena on 02.02.2012 at 10:29

Written by psykometal on 02.02.2012 at 10:13

Written by M C Vice on 02.02.2012 at 10:03

As for putting stuff where it doesn't belong to, please try to check out ALL categories before you put a write in... someone wrote In Flames in melodeath, SyX in symphonic(?), Animals as Leaders in prog... they're all NOMINATED in other fields.

Maybe they feel that the album doesn't belong in the nominated catagory. I don't think Within Temptation's newest belongs in symphonic metal cause it has little to no metal in it, but I don't know where symphonic rock would belong, so I'll probably vote for it there anyway.
Can an album get nominated in 2 catagories? Like Eluviete in folk and gothenberg.

Written by M C Vice on 02.02.2012 at 10:49

Maybe they feel that the album doesn't belong in the nominated catagory. I don't think Within Temptation's newest belongs in symphonic metal cause it has little to no metal in it, but I don't know where symphonic rock would belong, so I'll probably vote for it there anyway.
Can an album get nominated in 2 catagories? Like Eluviete in folk and gothenberg.

Well that's a bit silly, since they're not helping the band at all with that attitude. I understand that bands bend genre borders all the time, that some albums don't have a really good place in the existing categories, but we thought long and hard over the placing of each of those albums... even if we made mistakes, it's still not nice to have someone put In Flames in melodeath just because they played melodeath 15 years ago, even though we totally nominated them in another category.
It can't

Written by Milena on 02.02.2012 at 10:56

Written by M C Vice on 02.02.2012 at 10:49

With black metal split into 2 groups now, which one would symphonic black go in, or would it depend on the band/album.
And would a write in vote for Gallhammer in extreme doom, even though they're not listed as doom here, still be counted, or would it get deleted?
Would voting for an album in multiple catagories because I'm not sure where it belongs be vote rorting?

Written by M C Vice on 02.02.2012 at 11:24

With black metal split into 2 groups now, which one would symphonic black go in, or would it depend on the band/album.
And would a write in vote for Gallhammer in extreme doom, even though they're not listed as doom here, still be counted, or would it get deleted?
Would voting for an album in multiple catagories because I'm not sure where it belongs be vote rorting?

It would depend on the album, if it's more melodic it would probably go in the melodic part logically... ya I'm a black metal dummy
I'm asking people about Gallhammer, I'll PM you when I get an answer. Voting multiple categories would be your best bet but still, there might be other bands in those categories worth a looksie, so hold your vote just a bit until I fetch you info

Written by Milena on 02.02.2012 at 11:28

Written by M C Vice on 02.02.2012 at 11:24

With black metal split into 2 groups now, which one would symphonic black go in, or would it depend on the band/album.
And would a write in vote for Gallhammer in extreme doom, even though they're not listed as doom here, still be counted, or would it get deleted?
Would voting for an album in multiple catagories because I'm not sure where it belongs be vote rorting?

It would depend on the album, if it's more melodic it would probably go in the melodic part logically... ya I'm a black metal dummy
I'm asking people about Gallhammer, I'll PM you when I get an answer. Voting multiple categories would be your best bet but still, there might be other bands in those categories worth a looksie, so hold your vote just a bit until I fetch you info

Thanks. It's Blood Stain Child that I'm not sure what to do with. Electro power metal could go in any of 3 of the catagories. If anyone knows a better catagory for Within Temptation, then Omit will get my symphonic vote. It's a toss up between them and Ixion in doom. If Gallhammer can go in extreme doom then Wolves In The Throne Room will get my black vote.

Written by M C Vice on 02.02.2012 at 11:34

Thanks. It's Blood Stain Child that I'm not sure what to do with. Electro power metal could go in any of 3 of the catagories. If anyone knows a better catagory for Within Temptation, then Omit will get my symphonic vote. It's a toss up between them and Ixion in doom. If Gallhammer can go in extreme doom then Wolves In The Throne Room will get my black vote.

Oh, that one's easy, they were in the nomination circle for Cyber/Electro. And Within Temptation is put in the symphonic category and you shouldn't put them anywhere else yourself since those votes, where the band is nominated somewhere else, get nuked. It is said in the rules clearly that the write-ins should be used only for the albums we didn't nominate.

Written by Milena on 02.02.2012 at 11:45

Written by M C Vice on 02.02.2012 at 11:34

Thanks. It's Blood Stain Child that I'm not sure what to do with. Electro power metal could go in any of 3 of the catagories. If anyone knows a better catagory for Within Temptation, then Omit will get my symphonic vote. It's a toss up between them and Ixion in doom. If Gallhammer can go in extreme doom then Wolves In The Throne Room will get my black vote.

Oh, that one's easy, they were in the nomination circle for Cyber/Electro. And Within Temptation is put in the symphonic category and you shouldn't put them anywhere else yourself since those votes, where the band is nominated somewhere else, get nuked. It is said in the rules clearly that the write-ins should be used only for the albums we didn't nominate.

Thanks. I thought the write ins were just for the ones not nominated in that catagory, not overall.
Are the write in votes combined at all if they say the same thing but are spelled/phrased differently? I saw 4 separate ones in bigest surprise for Black Sabbath reuniting, all worded differently. Would they get put together at the end or be counted separatly? (also saw Megadeth's new one spelled 2 ways and 3 different ones for Lulu).

How u counting the votes? for example i saw in flames in the alter metal genre, but i think many people will vote for the band in the gothenburg category. so will count the all votes of one band from different genges, or what?

Written by M C Vice on 02.02.2012 at 12:04

Thanks. I thought the write ins were just for the ones not nominated in that catagory, not overall.
Are the write in votes combined at all if they say the same thing but are spelled/phrased differently? I saw 4 separate ones in bigest surprise for Black Sabbath reuniting, all worded differently. Would they get put together at the end or be counted separatly? (also saw Megadeth's new one spelled 2 ways and 3 different ones for Lulu).

I don't know about the rejoining, but I think everyone who votes for albums should make the effort to paste the album name into the writings... a lot of the vote counting is not done manually so they should really make that one minute effort to make sure their votes don't get lost. I mean, there were three different names for a Theocracy album. Not different spellings but different names. It's not that hard to check.

Written by csiga on 02.02.2012 at 12:07

How u counting the votes? for example i saw in flames in the alter metal genre, but i think many people will vote for the band in the gothenburg category. so will count the all votes of one band from different genges, or what?

No, we will not manually add up albums from different categories. If you like the album, you should vote it in the alternative category cause that's where we put it just because the band is one of the three original Gothenburg bands, it doesn't mean that it's their genre any more. The write-ins are FOR NOMINATED ALBUMS ONLY, and not for users fixing the "mistakes" of the staff.

The Awards are pretty big work, we had a pretty hard time deciding what should go where. The work around counting and the error margin should be reduced to bare minimum, that's why the write-ins for albums which are already nominated will get nuked. We have a nice set of rules that everyone can follow and I don't think anyone would like extra work around counting and possible mistakes just because some genre expert thinks the album should be in a different category. We appreciate people having different opinions, but if a band is already nominated in one category, that's where votes should be.

What's Djent \ Math metal?

Written by Guest on 02.02.2012 at 12:44

What's Djent \ Math metal?

Here's what Wiki says.

Written by Unhealer on 01.02.2012 at 19:46

Written by malaikat on 01.02.2012 at 19:16

People are again voting for Wintersun as the biggest letdown? Come on, they had their chance, and blew it. The album will probably be a 6.0, and that's coming from someone who gave 9 to their first release. I'm surprised people still remember them.

Anyway the biggest letdown winner is clearly going to be Lulu, you know it

I gave a second thought over Megadeth's Thriteen but then Lulu got eventually struck in pretty hard. I am saying Lulu is the last option if others not goes well, but I m planning to put thriteen into that criteria. Opeth's Heritage was a decent output --gave a benefit of doubt--although I hate Opeth alot.

Written by Milena on 02.02.2012 at 12:55

Written by Guest on 02.02.2012 at 12:44

What's Djent \ Math metal?

Here's what Wiki says.

lol, Randy Blythe snapped Djent.

Written by Milena on 02.02.2012 at 12:55

Here's what Wiki says.

That did help a little, thank you.

Written by Guest on 02.02.2012 at 13:01

That did help a little, thank you.

Here's some more from got-djent, in case you hate Wiki

Written by M C Vice on 02.02.2012 at 09:21



BTW, Cold said something about write in votes being wiped if they don't fit the genre. If I voted for Gallhammer in extreme doom, would it get wiped?

Imo and I think that of a few others as well Gallhammer is balck metal and not extreme doom, so they should be written in in black metal. Their music is mostly black metal mixed with crust punk and only some very very very very slight extreme doom in there.

Written by Milena on 02.02.2012 at 13:04

Written by Guest on 02.02.2012 at 13:01

That did help a little, thank you.

Here's some more from got-djent, in case you hate Wiki

God, I wish I had never read where the term "Djent" comes from.
Now everytime I hear those palm mutes I will be thinking of that.

Written by Unhealer on 02.02.2012 at 14:53

God I wish I had never read where the term "Djent" comes from

It's a term like any other I haven't gotten into djent but from what I've heard it sounds like an extension of prog metal/other things, not a legitimate subgenre. However, that is only musically; there is certainly a djent "scene", bands influence each other and try to be different from the crowd with their DIY approach with the production, digital spreading of music, special websites and stuff. It is certainly a movement, as mini as it may be. Before the Awards, we wanted to see if there are ten albums good enough to justify a special category, jup and some other people dug a bit and found them.

Surprised to see some bands in totally unexpected genres. Septicflesh in Symphonic with NW and WT. Really? It is symphonic/atmospheric death but not that much...

No Amaranthe in debut -> write in I find it funny to see Queensryche and Metalllica in biggest letdown's .. they don't put anything worth it for 2 decades and they are still considered a letdown? Really?

Written by Milena on 02.02.2012 at 15:00
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It's a term like any other I haven't gotten into djent but from what I've heard it sounds like an extension of prog metal/other things, not a legitimate subgenre. However, that is only musically; there is certainly a djent "scene", bands influence each other and try to be different from the crowd with their DIY approach with the production, digital spreading of music, special websites and stuff. It is certainly a movement, as mini as it may be. Before the Awards, we wanted to see if there are ten albums good enough to justify a special category, jup and some other people dug a bit and found them.

Yeah, I can totally recognize it as a subgenre. Its just a bit ridiculous that its named after an onomatopoeia
Now when listening to Meshuggah my head will be riffing like: "Djent djent djent djent djent"

From the Djent nominees, I liked TesseracT's debut a lot. I suggest you to check YouTube for the whole "Concealing Fate" studio performance.

Written by Unhealer on 02.02.2012 at 15:17

I suggest you to check YouTube for the whole "Concealing Fate" studio performance.

Hmmm, suggestion taken sir

Written by M C Vice on 02.02.2012 at 09:21
Yeah, I just thought that I'd be the only one here who liked them.
BTW, Cold said something about write in votes being wiped if they don't fit the genre. If I voted for Gallhammer in extreme doom, would it get wiped?
And Blood Stain Child has been written i in 3 different catagories. Which one do you reckon they have the best chance in (so I can put my vote in there, though I'm leaning towards either power or electro)?

Blood Stain Child goes to the Industrial/electro/cyber section.
As far as I know, Gallhammer goes into black or extreme doom... Ain't really sure.

Althoguht I find that album just painful.

I didn't respond to most simply because i'm not particularly knowledgeable in a lot of genres. i only nominated bands in perhaps 10, only will vote in 10 or so.

the biggest gaffes in the write-ups are people writing in bands we've nominated in one category in another or people writing in shit that wasn't even released in the year we are voting on... (kreator - hordes of chaos, released 2009, is a thrash write-in for this year. )

but yeah some people have ridiculous ideas where bands should be... i.e. Children of Bodom in Black.

and Marcel has spoken on gallhammer.

As for the question about the same write-in being written differently, e.g. Metallica - Lulu vs Metallica & Lou Reed - Lulu: yes, they do get merged, but only within the same category. Everyone has exactly one vote in each category. We can't find out if someone voted for In Flames in Alternative and voted for them again as write-in in Gothenburg, so the Gothenburg vote will NOT be merged with the Alternative vote, but will be nuked instead. If your vote has been nuked, you can vote again in that category, so it's not gone to waste.

I don't think I have listened enough to metal this year when I only know 10% of the bands